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<trackbot> Date: 18 September 2013
<Guus> no participants :(
<gavinc> http://www.w3.org/mid/8fff5ca3-3728-4276-8d7d-2c7fb98443b2@default
<pfps> minutes were fine
<TallTed> past minutes -- https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11
<AZ> I completed ACTION-209: Write a WG Note on RDF dataset semantics
RESOLUTION: accept https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/rdf-wg/2013-09-11 as a record of the meeting of the 11 September meeting
<gavinc> CLOSE ACTION-284
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-284.
sandro: i'm satisfied with the doc going to LC and skipping CR
Souri: at one point we said a
GRAPH statement associates a pair of (IRI, RDF Graph)
... if we say a GRAPH statement has two parts (label, graph),
we can say the label can be a bnode or an IRI
gavinc: re: GRAPH statement, I've written it a couple times but never managed to avoid making it controversial
<AndyS> section 2.2 ... and it needs a tweak about {} - I'll fix.
gavinc: RDF Semantics goes out of
its way to not say what are the things on the left and
right
... there's really no pairing 'cause you can see the same GRAPH
X later which will add to the associated graph
... comments from Souri and sandro are in there. passes
pubrules, ready to go
AndyS: yeah, we have to say that the right is *part of* a graph
Souri: i think that calling the left side a "label" will help
AndyS: is this a comment about TriG or Concepts?
Souri: just trying to make it easier to be objective
<Guus> scribe: @ericP
<AndyS> I'm looking at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-concepts/index.html#
[AndyS finds "label" in RDF Concepts for generalized RDF Dataset]
<AndyS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html
<gavinc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html
<gavinc> Publication ready documents go in drafts, that's generated by phantomjs respec2html.js http://localhost/~gavin/rdf-wg/trig/index.html drafts/trig/Overview.html
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html#grammar-production-PN_LOCAL is missing a set of ()s
<gavinc> (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)?
(PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)?
(PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* (PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX))?
http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/#grammar-production-PN_LOCAL
<gavinc> ACTION Gavin to change (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX)? to (PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX) ((PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX)* (PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX))?
<trackbot> Created ACTION-294 - Change (pn_chars_u | ':' | [0-9] | plx) ((pn_chars | '.' | ':' | plx)* pn_chars | ':' | plx)? to (pn_chars_u | ':' | [0-9] | plx) ((pn_chars | '.' | ':' | plx)* (pn_chars | ':' | plx))? [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-25].
U+xx
U+00xx
noting that https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/d4c9c7296f9d/trig/trig.bnf already as the parens in "[168s] PN_LOCAL ::= ( PN_CHARS_U | ':' | [0-9] | PLX ) ( ( PN_CHARS | '.' | ':' | PLX )* ( PN_CHARS | ':' | PLX ) ) ?"
PROPOSED: moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR
<gavinc> " The Last Call period ends 11 October 2013"
+1
<pfps> +1
<pchampin> +1
<AndyS> subject to ACTION-294
<AndyS> +1
<gavinc> +1
<TallTed> +1
<zwu2> +1
<Guus> +1
<Souri> +1
<AZ> +1
RESOLUTION: moving https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/drafts/trig/Overview.html to LC with the intention of skipping CR
Guus: calculating expected pub
date, we have a 3 week LC period
... any comments on that?
[none]
<scribe> ACTION: gavinc to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Error finding 'gavinc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.
<scribe> ACTION: gavin to set the LC period to end on 11 October 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 Sept (two days hence) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-295 - Set the lc period to end on 11 october 2013 , presuming no delays in publication after 20 sept (two days hence) [on Gavin Carothers - due 2013-09-25].
Guus, jjc has proposed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Sep/0017.html
sandro: i believe discussion has
moved on since those proposals
... i raised some issues. he responded positively, but not in
archived mail
<pfps> is there a pointer to the -archives messages?
sandro: these proposals are not my favorite (my fave being the one Greg disliked two days ago)
Guus: what don't you like about jjc's?
sandro: i don't see them as harmful but i don't see them improving things
pfps: i don't think that sentence
sais anything (and jjc does 'cause he says it's normative),
then it's normative
... if it *does* say something, it's saying that *the* IRI of
the graph is where it is
... this implies that if you publish a graph at an IRI, that's
the name of the graph
sandro: agree with pfps and think
that it either muddies the waters or says something we don't
expect
... patH, jjc and I appear to have arrived at the concensus
that we need to add metadata to a graph at one location without
applying the same metadata about all identical graphs
<Zakim> ericP, you wanted to provide a screw case
sandro: maybe by next week, we'll have reached consensus with jjc or agreed to disagree
AndyS: will someone bring the resolution back to the WG?
<scribe> ACTION: sandro to let the WG know where this conversation stands on Tuesday morning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-296 - Let the wg know where this conversation stands on tuesday morning [on Sandro Hawke - due 2013-09-25].
Guus: everyone did their
actions
... there's a long thread that needs to be turned into actual
test code
pfps: who knows how to put this in the right places?
sandro: i think we want to copy
the old CVS/webspace test suite into mercurial
... i haven't compared that [the old] manifest to our current
tests
<AZ> I can try doing this
<Guus> ACTION: Antoine to write Semantics tests with help of Sandro [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/09/18-rdf-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-297 - Write semantics tests with help of sandro [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2013-09-25].
sandro: i think this is the same
discussion as with jjc
... i believe greg would -1 the note i have in mind
pfps: note that PatH's message in the agenda is about data *type* semantics
Guus: my error
ADJOURNED
<gavinc> Publication request away!
<gavinc> CLOSE ACTION-295
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-295.
<Guus> trackbot, end meeting
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