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<trackbot> Date: 17 September 2013
<paulc> Regrets from John Simmons and Cyril Concolato
<paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0019.html
<paulc> Adrian is not yet on the phone
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0019.html
<paulc> Paul plans to start following up with individual items between meetings.
<paulc> For example see my attempt to track ACTION-25: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0022.html
<paulc> I noticed last week people were asking about an media agenda.
<paulc> F2F agenda is http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda
<paulc> EME and MSE on Thu probably in the morning: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda#Day_1
<paulc> I would expect that we will discuss at least:
<paulc> a) outstanding EME bugs
<paulc> b) open MSE Last Call comments
<paulc> c) discuss MSE testing for possible CR
<paulc> d) possible joint meetings with other IGs or WGs
<ddorwin> paulc: You can be sure that we'll address all last call comments.
<ddorwin> … For EME it would be good to have a list of topics for discussion.
<adrianba> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-wd.html
<paulc> This was in Adrian's input queue. He was away on family business.
<paulc> Working on getting pubrules and formatting problems.
<adrianba> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/
<scribe> scribe: joesteele
paulc: Adrian - is this doc ready for the task force to approve the candidate hearbeat?
adrianba: think the task force
should review to see if they are ok with the current
state
... yes it is ready, but don't move to display in this
meeting
... changelog is in mercurial
paulc: you mentioned bug resolved? can we get a link?
adrianba: link is in IRC
above
... 21854, 21203, and some other changes around creating the
working draft doc
paulc: change made 2 weeks ago are in this as well?
adrianba: yes
paulc: how long do folks need to review? one week, 48 hours?
joesteele: one week would be good IMO
ddorwin: a week would be good
<markw> +1 to a week
ddorwin: not attending next week though
paulc: let's go for one week then
<paulc> Paul will start a Media TF CfC on the candidate EME WD to last for one week. This will be done via email since EME does not meet next week.
pauc: will do after this mtg
ddorwin: looking through the doc, do we want an issue at top of the section 9.2 (ISOBMFF)
<ddorwin> We have open bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
ddorwin: might be thought as final otherwise
paulc: Adrian can you add that pointer
adrianba: yes, can do today
paulc: any other comments right now?
<paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2013/
paulc: this is the old
charter
... in milestone section, there is a row in the spec table for
FWPD, CR, etc for MSE but not EME
... been asked what reasonable target dates would be for EME by
the working group
... dates for MSE are Q3 2013 for LC, Q2 2014 for PR, nearly a
year for next step
... when do people think EME will be in LC?
<crickets>
adrianba: would like to see it happen by Q4 2013
<paulc> Last Call: Q42013
<paulc> CR: Q22014
paulc: would it make sense that it would take two quarters to get through LC then? CR in Q2 2014
adrianba: fine with that
<markw> seems reasonable to me
<paulc> PR: Q1 2015
paulc: that would be PR Q
2015
... might be faster but need to be pessimistic
<paulc> Rec: Q1 2015
paulc: this lines up with MSE
<ddorwin> Do we have to solve all the existing bugs by then? We have some big items on security, privacy, and interop.
<Zakim> ddorwin, you wanted to ask do we have to solve all the existing bugs by then? We have some big items on security, privacy, and interop.
ddorwin: might be
optimistic
... 13 weeks plus a F2F in between
paulc: not overly optimistic but need to work
pal: David, do you feel there are bugs that are intractable? or just editing time?
ddorwin: some difficult to solve
issues, some are just editing and decisions have been
made
... there are reasons some of these are left
pal: can you identify them?
ddorwin: state machine should let us close a few more
paulc: David you asked for topics
in the F2F - maybe you can triage those bugs
... discussions are linked
ACTION-25?
<trackbot> ACTION-25 -- John Simmons to And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25
paulc: John Simmons is away so I sent him an email
<paulc> See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0022.html
paulc: we need to make progress on this, so I will be following up via email
ACTION-31?
<trackbot> ACTION-31 -- David Dorwin to Propose text to resolve bug 18515 -- due 2013-09-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/31
ddorwin: this was discussed, but there are higher priority issue we should resolve first
paulc: can we change the date to 2 or 4 weeks from now?
ddorwin: we should push it out
ACTION due 2013-10-15
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ACTION-31 due 2013-10-15
<trackbot> Set ACTION-31 Propose text to resolve bug 18515 due date to 2013-10-15.
ACTION-35?
<trackbot> ACTION-35 -- Paul Cotton to Inform privacy ig who we spoke to in feb about bug 22910 -- due 2013-08-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/35
paulc: have not done it yet
ACTION-35 due 2013-09-18
<trackbot> Set ACTION-35 Inform privacy ig who we spoke to in feb about bug 22910 due date to 2013-09-18.
subtopic: Editors draft
<paulc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
<paulc> Updated Sep 17
paulc: lets go to the list of
outstanding bugs
... 18
<paulc> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
paulc: David you were suggesting
a priority?
... can you give us those (high, hard, no) priorities?
... just edit the search
joesteele: and paste the updated
link here please
... low hanging fruit left?
ddorwin: discussed the 22909 last week
paulc: 20965 depends on 22909
<ddorwin> Security: 22909; Privacy: 22910.
ddorwin: content from 22910 was
added to section 8
... that is RESOLVED FIXED
... the question is does it need more work?
... how do we want to track these?
... still need to do some work on security
... do we want to just track the master bug and close the
others?
<paulc> 20965 depends on 22909
ddorwin: proposal is to keep 22909 and 22910 open and close the master bug
<paulc> 22910 blocks 17202 20965 and 21869
<ddorwin> master bug 20965
paulc: believe that means we
would do the discussion in those bugs 22909 and 22910
instead
... this goes against what the master bug says
ddorwin: we discussed that two
weeks ago that these are not necessarily hierarchy order
... nothing more to do in 20965
paulc: so you are saying security is 22909
ddorwin: yes
paulc: and privacy is 22910?
ddorwin: yes
paulc: so who is on point for
these?
... both are assigned to Adrian
adrianba: not assigned to
me
... that state of 22909 is new and the other is resolved
... my approach is to do what what is the bug and check it
in
... if someone has a problem with the content they can either
reopen or add a new bug
paulc: David you said we need more work on privacy? willing to take an action there?
ddorwin: need more contributions,
including from the Privacy IG to know what we need to
consider
... don't think any one person can write this up
themselves
... we need input on these two bugs
paulc: who is the Privacy IG? do
you have names that the chair can contact?
... or scrub through the bugs and minutes?
... this is ACTION-35
... do we want their feedback on both or just the privacy
one?
adrianba: no objections to feedback on anything
ddorwin: don't have anything in
mind specifically for security
... implementors should comment
... 22901 has some information
paulc: originally glenn raised 22909 presumably because of other bugs
ddorwin: think these were to replace other bugs
paulc: so 22909 blocks several of
the same bugs 22910 blocks, but also 22901
... seems like this area is blocking about half the bugs
... 22901 is reopened as well
... I don't have these 6-7 bugs in my cache, I think you have
said in order to make progress on 22910 we need input from
Privacy IG
... not sure what we need to make progress on the 22909 and its
companion bugs
<paulc> Security: 20965 depends on 22909 which in turn blocks 17202 20965 21869 and 22901
adrianba: we have a bunch of bugs
filed by people who are not on this call, 20965 is a good
example
... Glenn filed two bugs one about privacy and one about
security on creating these sections
... made a proposal for some of the privacy concerns and that
bug was closed
... we also discussed his proposal for some of the security
proposals, but we decided this was not the kind of thing we
needed to include
... because more about efficacy and not about security
... have not had anybody provide feedback on the security
concerns so we can address them
paulc: 20965 was higlighted in the status section of the document, still there?
adrianba: still there
paulc: does it describe that we have a security section that folks should comment on?
adrianba: we don't have any security concerns at the moment being highlighted
paulc: have you updated the
status section for 20965 with what is currently in the document
that pertains to tat bug
... need that for the heartbeat
adrianba: no, as that is in the
bug
... someone could propose but did not think it was
necessary
paulc: material in the draft that it is an open issue -- see bug 20965 - is this supposed to be privacy or security or both?
adrianba: we have not had any
security suggestions
... when we added it was with what we believed the bug was,
which was privacy
... we can add more text if someone can suggest text to add
ddorwin: latest draft has the
link to 22909 - should we put issue blocks in section 7 and
8
... if we are replacing the master bug we should at least link
to those instead
<markw> I am planning to look at the security and privacy sections and make some suggestions
adrianba: that makes sense if we accept your proposal
paulc: so david proposal would be
to mark section 8 by referring to 22910
... and change the status section to point to both bugs 22909
and 22910 as a substitute for 20965
... david you referred to ISSUE-3 is this a real issue?
ddorwin: 3rd issue in the doc
<paulc> Proposal:
paulc: proposal on the table is
to close bug 20965
... and concentrate efforts on 22909 for security and 22910 for
privacy
<paulc> 1. Close bug 20965 and concentrate our efforts on 22909 (Security) and 22910 (privacy)
<paulc> 2. Reflect these changes in the SOTD of the candidate WD and in Sections 8 and 9
paulc: any discussion
adrianba: glenn seemed to be
raising this more as a procedural starting point
... not that he had actual comments
paulc: we are out of time
<paulc> No objections to the above proposal.
paulc: we now have a cluster of
security and privacy bugs
... David can you send a note to the WG that identified another
potential working set of bugs?
... either lower priority
ddorwin: yes
paulc: talk to you all in two weeks
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