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14:58:41 Zakim, this will be 63342
14:58:41 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:42 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:58:42 Date: 17 September 2013
14:58:58 HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:06 +[Microsoft]
14:59:45 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:59:45 +paulc; got it
14:59:50 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0019.html
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15:02:21 zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:21 +davide; got it
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15:06:23 Regrets from John Simmons and Cyril Concolato
15:06:49 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0019.html
15:07:01 Topic: Roll call
15:07:08 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:08 On the phone I see paulc, markw, davide, pladd, pal, ddorwin
15:07:36 + +49.895.526.aaee
15:07:51 Adrian is not yet on the phone
15:08:26 +[Microsoft]
15:08:29 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:08:29 +adrianba; got it
15:08:41 zakim, who is on the phone
15:08:41 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', paulc
15:08:49 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:49 On the phone I see paulc, markw, davide, pladd, pal, ddorwin, +49.895.526.aaee, adrianba
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15:08:56 Topic: Previous meeting minutes
15:09:28 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0019.html
15:09:41 Paul plans to start following up with individual items between meetings.
15:09:51 + +1.303.661.aaff
15:10:04 zakim, aaff is me
15:10:04 +BobLund; got it
15:10:17 For example see my attempt to track ACTION-25: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0022.html
15:10:35 Topic: HTML WG F2F meeting, Nov 14-15, Shenzen, China
15:10:48 I noticed last week people were asking about an media agenda.
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15:11:31 +[Microsoft]
15:12:04 F2F agenda is http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda
15:12:34 EME and MSE on Thu probably in the morning: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda#Day_1
15:12:45 I would expect that we will discuss at least:
15:12:52 a) outstanding EME bugs
15:13:05 b) open MSE Last Call comments
15:13:14 c) discuss MSE testing for possible CR
15:13:48 d) possible joint meetings with other IGs or WGs
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15:14:45 q+
15:14:50 paulc: You can be sure that we'll address all last call comments.
15:14:56 ack pal
15:15:14 … For EME it would be good to have a list of topics for discussion.
15:15:23 -pal
15:15:24 +[Adobe]
15:15:53 Topic: EME Heartbeat publication
15:16:09 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-wd.html
15:16:12 +pal
15:16:19 This was in Adrian's input queue. He was away on family business.
15:16:41 Working on getting pubrules and formatting problems.
15:16:52 -pal
15:17:10 +pal
15:17:34 Zakim, who is scribe?
15:17:34 I don't understand your question, joesteele.
15:17:47 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/
15:17:57 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:17:57 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/17-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:18:35 scribe: joesteele
15:19:08 paulc: Adrian - is this doc ready for the task force to approve the candidate hearbeat?
15:19:24 adrianba: think the task force should review to see if they are ok with the current state
15:19:44 ... yes it is ready, but don't move to display in this meeting
15:19:53 ... changelog is in mercurial
15:20:08 paulc: you mentioned bug resolved? can we get a link?
15:20:16 adrianba: link is in IRC above
15:20:41 ... 21854, 21203, and some other changes around creating the working draft doc
15:20:57 paulc: change made 2 weeks ago are in this as well?
15:21:00 adrianba: yes
15:21:20 paulc: how long do folks need to review? one week, 48 hours?
15:21:43 joesteele: one week would be good IMO
15:21:53 ddorwin: a week would be good
15:21:58 +1 to a week
15:22:04 ... not attending next week though
15:22:11 paulc: let's go for one week then
15:22:29 Paul will start a Media TF CfC on the candidate EME WD to last for one week. This will be done via email since EME does not meet next week.
15:22:42 pauc: will do after this mtg
15:22:46 q+
15:22:53 ack dd
15:23:18 ddorwin: looking through the doc, do we want an issue at top of the section 9.2 (ISOBMFF)
15:23:25 We have open bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
15:23:28 ... might be thought as final otherwise
15:23:52 paulc: Adrian can you add that pointer
15:24:06 adrianba: yes, can do today
15:24:18 paulc: any other comments right now?
15:24:46 Topic: EME schedule for working group charter
15:24:51 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/charter/2013/
15:24:57 paulc: this is the old charter
15:25:24 ... in milestone section, there is a row in the spec table for FWPD, CR, etc for MSE but not EME
15:25:41 ... been asked what reasonable target dates would be for EME by the working group
15:26:05 ... dates for MSE are Q3 2013 for LC, Q2 2014 for PR, nearly a year for next step
15:26:20 ... when do people think EME will be in LC?
15:26:27
15:26:30 q+
15:26:44 adrianba: would like to see it happen by Q4 2013
15:26:48 Last Call: Q42013
15:27:12 CR: Q22014
15:27:22 paulc: would it make sense that it would take two quarters to get through LC then? CR in Q2 2014
15:27:27 adrianba: fine with that
15:27:33 seems reasonable to me
15:27:43 PR: Q1 2015
15:27:44 paulc: that would be PR Q 2015
15:28:04 ... might be faster but need to be pessimistic
15:28:10 Rec: Q1 2015
15:28:12 q+ To ask do we have to solve all the existing bugs by then? We have some big items on security, privacy, and interop.
15:28:13 .. this lines up with MSE
15:28:18 ack adrian
15:28:25 s/.. /.../
15:28:25 Do we have to solve all the existing bugs by then? We have some big items on security, privacy, and interop.
15:28:26 ack dd
15:28:27 ddorwin, you wanted to ask do we have to solve all the existing bugs by then? We have some big items on security, privacy, and interop.
15:28:45 ddorwin: might be optimistic
15:28:54 ... 13 weeks plus a F2F
15:29:15 paulc: not overly optimistic but need to work
15:29:34 pal: David, do you feel there are bugs that are intractable? or just editing time?
15:29:56 ddorwin: some difficult to solve issues, some are just editing and decisions have been made
15:30:05 ... there are reasons some of these are left
15:30:13 pal: can you identify them?
15:30:23 ddorwin: state machine should let us close a few more
15:30:59 paulc: David you asked for topics in the F2F - maybe you can triage those bugs
15:31:04 ... discussions are linked
15:31:27 Topic: Review ACTION items
15:31:37 ACTION-25?
15:31:37 ACTION-25 -- John Simmons to And John S to work on corner cases for bug 17673 -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
15:31:37 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/25
15:31:58 paulc: John Simmons is away so I sent him an email
15:32:14 See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Sep/0022.html
15:32:31 ... we need to make progress on this, so I will be following up via email
15:32:35 ACTION-31?
15:32:35 ACTION-31 -- David Dorwin to Propose text to resolve bug 18515 -- due 2013-09-10 -- OPEN
15:32:35 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/31
15:33:09 ddorwin: this was discussed, but there are higher priority issue we should resolve first
15:33:21 paulc: can we change the date to 2 or 4 weeks from now?
15:33:34 ddorwin: we should puch it out
15:33:39 s/puch/push/
15:33:52 ACTION due 2013-10-15
15:33:52 Error finding 'due'. You can review and register nicknames at .
15:33:58 ACTION-31 due 2013-10-15
15:33:58 Set ACTION-31 Propose text to resolve bug 18515 due date to 2013-10-15.
15:34:15 ACTION-35?
15:34:15 ACTION-35 -- Paul Cotton to Inform privacy ig who we spoke to in feb about bug 22910 -- due 2013-08-20 -- OPEN
15:34:15 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/35
15:34:24 paulc: have not done it yet
15:34:31 ACTION-35 due 2013-09-18
15:34:31 Set ACTION-35 Inform privacy ig who we spoke to in feb about bug 22910 due date to 2013-09-18.
15:34:51 Topic: EME status and bugs
15:34:58 subtopic: Editors draft
15:35:01 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:35:05 Updated Sep 17
15:35:19 paulc: lets go to the list of outstanding bugs
15:35:24 ... 18
15:35:36 http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:35:52 paulc: David you were suggesting a priority?
15:36:27 ... can you give us those (high, hard, no) priorities?
15:36:32 ... just edit the search
15:36:45 joesteele: and paste the updated link here please
15:37:10 q+
15:38:00 joesteele: low hanging fruit left?
15:38:14 ddorwin: discussed the 22909 last week
15:38:42 paulc: 20965 depends on 22909
15:38:42 Security: 22909; Privacy: 22910.
15:39:10 ddorwin: content from 22910 was added to section 8
15:39:29 ... that is RESOLVED FIXED
15:39:38 q+
15:39:43 ... the question is does it need more work?
15:39:46 ack joesteele
15:39:53 Zakim, who is on the queue?
15:39:53 I see adrianba on the speaker queue
15:40:03 rrsagent, generate minutes?
15:40:03 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'generate minutes'
15:40:12 ddorwin: how do we want to track these?
15:40:20 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:40:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/17-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:40:36 ddorwin: still need to do some work on security
15:40:47 ... do we want to just track the master bug and close the others?
15:40:47 20965 depends on 22909
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15:41:02 ... proposal is to keep 22909 and 22910 open and close the master bug
15:41:02 22910 blocks 17202 20965 and 21869
15:41:05 q-
15:41:35 master buck 20965
15:41:39 s/buck/bug/
15:42:04 paulc: believe that means we would do the discussion in those bugs 22909 and 22910 instead
15:42:15 ... this goes against what the master bug says
15:42:37 ddorwin: we discussed that two weeks ago that these are not necessarily hierarchy order
15:42:44 ... nothing more to do in 20965
15:42:58 paulc: so you are saying security is 22909
15:43:03 ddorwin: yes
15:43:14 paulc: and privacy is 22910?
15:43:18 ddorwin: yes
15:43:24 paulc: so who is on point for these?
15:43:39 ... both are assigned to Adrian
15:43:54 adrianba: not assigned to me
15:44:09 ... that state of 22909 is new and the other is resolved
15:44:25 ... my approach is to do what what is the bug and check it in
15:44:40 ... if someone has a problem with the content they can either reopen or add a new bug
15:45:00 paulc: David you said we need more work on privacy? willing to take an action there?
15:45:17 ddorwin: need more contributions, including from the Privacy IG to know what we need to consider
15:45:28 ... don't think any one person can write this up themselves
15:45:38 ... we need input on these two bugs
15:46:00 paulc: who is the Privacy IG? do you have names that the chair can contact?
15:46:11 ... or scrub through the bugs and minutes?
15:46:19 ... this is ACTION-35
15:46:45 ... do we want there feedback on both or just the privacy one?
15:46:59 adrianba: no objections to feedback on anything
15:47:26 s/want there/want their/
15:47:38 q+
15:47:46 ddorwin: don't have anything in mind specifically for security
15:47:54 ... implementors should comment
15:48:11 q+
15:48:25 ddorwin: 22901 has some information
15:48:46 paulc: originally glenn raised 22909 presumably because of other bugs
15:48:56 ddorwin: think these were to replace other bugs
15:49:39 paulc: so 22909 blocks several of the same bugs 22910 blocks, but also 22901
15:49:50 ... seems like this area is blocking about half the bugs
15:50:12 ... 22901 is reopened as well
15:50:21 -BobLund
15:50:54 ... I don't have these 6-7 bugs in my cache, I think you have said in order to make progress on 22910 we need input from Privacy IG
15:51:10 ... not sure what we need to make progress on the 22909 and its comanion bugs
15:51:15 q?
15:51:18 s/comanion/companion/
15:51:26 Security: 20965 depends on 22909 which in turn blocks 17202 20965 21869 and 22901
15:51:35 ack adrian
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