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<trackbot> Date: 27 August 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
topci: Test case 344
JS: this has to do with
aria-checked='mixed' on radio buttons.
... all platforms are failing.
... Rich has asked that at least two user agents to please
implement the spec.
... right, this is for a menuitemradio button, but it's the
same problem.
CS: why mixed on a radio button.
JS: the spec says, if mixed on a
radio button, expose as false.
... FF exposes it as true.
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=344
CS: we may want to change this to
MSAA.
... we didn't implement TogglePattern for radio buttons.
... but, we did implement selectable for radio buttons.
JS: check boxes too?
CS: not sure.
... but in any case, if we change the UAIG to say "expose in
selectable state and is-selected = false" UIA Express.
... that might make IE pass this.
JS: just to be sure, those are MSAA states and properties.
CS: yes.
... menuitemcheckbox is using the checked state;
menuitemradiobuttons is using the selected state.
... I bet an old desktop radio button implements the selection
state.
... I'd have to go look.
JS: so the proposal is to change
the UAIG to map radio button aria-checked state to selectable
states.
... for the UIA express column.
CS: radio button is not quite the
same implementation, but it does expose a selectable
action.
... But, the UAIG for UIA TogglePattern is not implemented, and
needs to be switched for UIA Express.
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the UAIG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1255 - Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-09-03].
<scribe> ACTION: Joseph to modify MSAA+UIA Express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use MSAA selectable state and selected proerty instead of UIA TogglePattern. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1256 - Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-09-03].
JS: ISSELECTED property and SELECTABLE state?
<cyns> selectable state, isSelected property
CS: windows 98 camel case.
... these are the COM properties.
... you can do with the caps. There is an article that gives
the enumerations.
issue-595?
<trackbot> issue-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs. gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
JS: I did the edit, but Rich raised a related issue.
issue-598?
<trackbot> issue-598 -- Mapping for treegrid role is incorrect for IE -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/598
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to check the IE10 and IE11 to see how they map the treegrid role. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/27-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1257 - Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-09-03].
action-1257?
<trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
action-842?
<trackbot> action-842 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a diagram to support 1.2 A11Y vs DOM tree -- due 2011-06-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/842
CS: Let's set that to aria 1.1.
action-973?
<trackbot> action-973 -- Cynthia Shelly to Work with David Bolter and Larry Weiss to create testable statements for UAIG 4.2 Controlling focus with tabindex, bullet 11 -- due 2013-07-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex
bullet 11 is:
When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element. The steps to simulate a click include:
1. running pre-click activation steps
2. firing a click event
3. running post-click activation steps
If the event is cancelled, run cancelled activation steps on the element instead.
CS: this is not that difficult to test. At least B is easy.
JS: actually this is something that MichaelC_ has started work on.
CS: Re-assign to MichaelC_
JS: Ok, I reassigned to Michael
as part of the UAIG test suite.
... with luck, he may already have these testable statements
complete.
action-982?
<trackbot> action-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due 2013-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
CS: email on its way.
action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2013-05-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
CS: still working on it. Change the due date to Sep 17.
JS: done.
action-1115?
<trackbot> action-1115 -- Cynthia Shelly to Find reference in MSAA spec that says you can't put anything in the role property except roles that are defined by the MSAA spec -- due 2012-10-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115
CS: not required for
shipping.
... this is really a discussion with David about FF putting
strings into MSAA role.
... But, that's overtaken with their use of IA2.
... So, we could move this to Aria 1.1
JS: does it relate to 1175?
action-1175?
<trackbot> action-1175 -- David Bolter to Status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
JS: no, it doesn't. Let's move it
to aria 1.1.
... okay, it's now moved to an aria 1.1 action.
action-1210?
<trackbot> action-1210 -- Cynthia Shelly to research why test case 267 fails. Is UAIG or IE10 impl correct? -- due 2013-05-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210
CS: let's see if it is still
failing.
... I passed it recently.
... I'm seeing a pass in IE10.
resolved: close action-1210 since it is now passing in IE10.
CS: that's the one we just
created.
... so we are done.
... I will do my best to attend next week.
JS: I will be here since it's the day after labour day.
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