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HTML Accessibility Task Force

15 Aug 2013

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Attendees

Present
Mark_Sadecki, [IPcaller], John_Foliot, lwatson, Janina, chaals, David_MacDonald
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
janina

Contents


<chaals> We are waiting on PF for a proposal that would satisfy them. HTML is waiting on a new proposal.

<chaals> What to do with the tests proposed http://github.com/chaals/longdesc-tests

<chaals> Plan for resolving last call issues

<chaals> Plan for tracking LC comments explicitly

<scribe> scribe: janina

procedures CfC

<chaals> CN: PF objected tothe procedures, so the CfCs failed.

Charles: Proposes that telecon may propose a CFC, and the facilitators will start with a email

<JF> thought we were talking about longdesc / thought we were talking about longdesc

Charles: Proposes comments in telecon will count

janina: Suggests lang needs to confirm telecon can make decisions, but subject to email or WBS CFC confirmation

Charles: Suggests telecon comments should count because commenter is responsible for correcting any mistatement by the scribe

<JF> +1 to Chaals re: minutes. Gregory R. used to always note that corrections should be sent to the list

longdesc: testing, Last Call comments

charles: Wrote some tests

jf: Looks good, can help
... Have strong objections re LC comments received in email ...

charles: Can we talk testing first?

jf: OK

Charles: Don't know how to automate tests ...
... Tests I've proposed have no status yet, expect we'll consider for a few days yet then do cfc against them
... Would be helpful for people to run tests know and email initial results

<lwatson> Zakim: https://github.com/chaals/longdesc-tests

Mark: Tests look good ...
... Can get a stble uri for them and add the descriptions

<scribe> ACTION: Mark to add descriptions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> 'Mark' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., mhakkine, msadecki, mwatson2).

<scribe> ACTION: marks to add Charles descriptions to the proposed longdesc tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - Add charles descriptions to the proposed longdesc tests [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-08-22].

Chalres: Suggest we start collecting results on a wiki page

Charles: Not worried about how people report. It's a small set, and we can normalize results in our report
... Suggest we run CFC on these test longer than usual as it's August vacation for many people

DM: Asks about where the tests are and how to use them

Charles: They're on github

janina: URI above

Charles: Let's move to the comments discussion ...

jf: Have strong concerns about comments received. Words like "better" may not be appropriate in this doc
... e.g. epub authoring guidance should be in epub, not in this TF's spec

janina +`1

charles; Think it may be useful to provide some guidance on when and how to use the spec

charles: So, an ongoing discussion in email on what may be OK

jf: Our spec is about images, why are we discussing svg, or epub?

charles: because are images
... Notes that only some ua's make svg a11y

jf: Suggest it's counter to our purpose to put qualified authoring guidance into this spec, i.e. ua X & Y support, but on others do Z

charles: Suggests JF chime in on email thread

janina: Agree with JF but also concerned that there are still use cases, even when full ml might exist, to provide an overview of the structure e.g. in a textbook

leonie: Suggest we not try accomplish all this in this early doc

charles: Agree with LW. People should be able to generalize from our spec
... Notes that even jpeg supports providing an overview, also svg
... In a transitionary world, which we're in, we do, because not all can take advantage of svg a11y
... I expect to raise a bug on how we handle this

marks: Have we considered using comment tracker?

<MarkS> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/44061/WD-html-longdesc-20130716/

marks: Have input comments received just to see how the tool works and might help with responses

charles: agree it's a good tool
... So, if there, let's use it?

janina: Agree. We're obligated to show response to all comments with rationale

Alt Edits Completed

HTML 5 Testing

marks: Heard from Jason White that we should look how a11y apis map lang
... Otherwise no issue to test
... Requested extension on our response to Sep 4
... Inasmuch as current Sep 1 is Sunday of a 3-day holliday weekend
... Have test file from Rich for testing focus rings, and have run tests with mixed results
... Definitely useful to forward

subteams

<David_> Longdesc test files uploaded http://davidmacd.com/test/longdesc-tests-master/

marks: No quorum in Bug triage
... Looked at bugs, have one to ask now

<MarkS> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22931

marks: Wondering whether this sufficiently supports magnification, i.e. to find the iframe

dm: Don't think so at this time, what would help?

leonie: Mags will follow mouse for focus, including into an iframe

marks: OK

html 5.1

marks: we need dialog or transcripts ml? Perhaps?

charles: This issue has a history, even back in HTML 4
... agree it would be useful to ml discussions better than we can now

janina: Also suggesting date pickers

charles: Suggest people look at inputs and web components. Important for html

<scribe> ACTION: Charles to provide pointer for web components work to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Provide pointer for web components work to the list [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-08-22].

<David_> Focus enhancements http://www.aisquared.com/docs/zt10/zt10_QRG_UK_English.pdf page 25

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Charles to provide pointer for web components work to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Mark to add descriptions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: marks to add Charles descriptions to the proposed longdesc tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
 
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