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<trackbot> Date: 30 July 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0016.html
JS: I am on vacation for the next
two weeks.
... Do you have have interest in running this meeting while I'm
away.
CS: I can do that.
MC: I'll try to come. I'm here to support process and timeline acceleration.
CS: I've been meeting with Rich
and making a second pass at some of the tests that are
faling.
... We've made some progress in that.
... But, we have raised some issues.
JS: I'll leave it to you, cyns,
to arrange with davidb to have these meetings.
... and you are welcome to use this chat room and bots
... but if you change the time, contact Michael.
MC: I could set up an impromptu
room, but it's not easy to do that.
... I just need advance notice to set up zakim.
... Whether I can make that time is an open question.
issue-596?
<trackbot> ISSUE-596 -- Failure of aria-invalid mappings for AT-SPI in test cases: mapping is via text attributes, not object attributes but is not exposed. -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/596
JS: There are at least two test
cases of aria-invalid that fail on AT-SPI
... but they pass on IA2.
... I have been discussing with Alex in emails.
... Alex believes it should succeed, and has asked for screen
shots from me.
... I will provide after the meeting ends.
CS: Have you got the right version of FF?
JS: Yes, according to Alex.
Topics: Outstanding issues and actions.
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
issue-595?
<trackbot> ISSUE-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs. gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
CS: Currently the UAIG says to
map treegrid items to outline roles.
... But IE actually maps to gridcell.
JS: Looks like the UIA express is using MSAA.
CS: Yes, but it appears that IE
is doing something different.
... Interesting that pure UIA says to map to "DataGrid"
... Tree is mapped to outline.
... change it to ROLE_CELL
JS: ROLE_CELL?
CS: It should be DataItem in the
pure UIA column
... It should be, for UIA express, ROLE_SYSTEM_CELL
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
JS: I made notes in the
issue.
... Any other issues that you want to discuss?
ISSUE-597?
<trackbot> ISSUE-597 -- When IE encounters an id that is on more than one element in a (aria-describedby or aria-labelledby) nothing is mapped. -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/597
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/0207.html
JS: I couldn't find anywhere in the UAIG or spec talking about duplicate IDs.
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/1.0/CR/implementation-report
MC: that would have been in the
aria spec, but not the UAIG.
... perhaps not in a particular section, but something we
wanted to deal with.
... I'm sure the UAIG has some requirement in it.
... The author errors section mentions unresolved IDs, but not
duplicate IDs.
... This suggests we had something in ARIA about it, not in the
UAIG.
... I just checked a version of UAIG from Nov last year, and
it's not in that one.
... not seeing the word duplicate.
... probably two years ago that we wrote this.
... maybe we thought we should have a test for it, and were
intending to put it in the spec.
... Maybe want to keep the test for other purposes.
JS: what is that other kind of testing called? Not CR testing, but …?
MC: Interoperability testing.
JS: Might this be interoperable testing?
MC: Yes, that might be a place
for it.
... At this point, I'm okay with marking these are not
required.
JS: The requirement for IDs being unique predates ARIA
MC: Yes, that goes back a long time, but various specs have to deal with these somehow.
CS: Should we mark these as not required?
MC: Is duplicate IDs a common problem that we need to look out for?
JS: from my dojo and jquery work:
they go out of their way to make sure that IDs are
unique.
... By the time it reaches an actual web page, a dojo/jquery
widget will work.
CS: I've similar experience with Visual Basic
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/0208.html
JS: RIch thinks that this is not needed.
MC: I think the answer is no and close the topic.
JS: Should we close the issue?
CS: yes, and let's mark the test cases as not required for CR.
JS: I made a note of which test cases were not required for CR, and closed the issue.
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