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Cynthia and RIch's meeting.

CS: Met with Rich
... went over tests, got some passing, made recommedations for changes.
... Joseph has made the changes.

JS: Yes.

CS: I need to got back and redo some of the tests.
... I"m also setting up a Windows 8 machine in the hope that ones that fail in IE10 might pass in IE11.

<scribe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jul/0009.html

aria-checked is undefined.

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table

JS: in the states/properites table, I think apple is the only one correct.

CS: if this is a checkbox, it has to be checkable and unchecked.

JS: but this the general case.
... What should it say if not a check box?

CS: the way it's described here is for a checkable object.

JS: I think it should state for a non-checkable object.

CS: Then it should be "Not mapped".

JS: Like apple?
... I think we could add to the lef column "treat as false if checkbable item", where it lists checkbox, radio, etc.

CS: There is a list of the ones that require a checkable state.

JS: this will allow me to finiish a test case for aria-checked.

ISSUE-583

ISSUE-583?

<trackbot> ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JulSep/0118.html

CS: I disagree.
... We had giant discussion about this, and we finally reached a compromise.
... I do not want to re-open the topic.

JS: he says that the ID might not been assigned until just before it becomes focussed.

CS: I would like to see an example of a page that works that way.

JS: another one of his points is that many children have a role and an ID for styling, but won't be active descendatns.

CS: That doesn't mean it needs to become an active descendant.

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant

"For any element with an ID attribute, where the element is a descendant of an element with the aria-activedescendant attribute, apply the following accessibility API states to the target to ensure the object is accessible:"

"Focusable, if the element also has a WAI-ARIA http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#def_role"

CS: Right, but that doesn't mean it has to be a target. If the author doesn't make it an active descedant, it won't become one.

JS: Consider an AT asking how many focusable elements are there in the container, there would be extra elements counted (if they had an ID and a role).

CS: I think this is the only way it would work in Windows.
... Again, we had a long discusssion about this, and this is what we could agree on.
... Even if James is right, I would want to not reopen this until ARIA 1.1.

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013AprJun/0476.html

James Craig's first email about the topic ^

Topic; Testing.

MC: Like to deal with some issues prior to next Mon's call.

<MichaelC> UAIG test suite: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=2

<MichaelC> UAIG tests from a year ago: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#User_Agent_Implementation_Guide_Testable_Statements

JS: 165 more tests.

MC: are we testing these on the same platforms as ARIA.
... I assume so.
... Some tests are not platform specific.
... Some of the tables don't have IA2.
... I'm not sure what that means.

JS: Can I have an example?
... Test case 6 might be a duplicate.

<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=111

MC: this test didn't come from the UAIG, and it only has three platforms in the wiki.

<MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=155

MC: and this one: there is no column for IA2.

JS: It's MSAA that's applicable.
... IA2 is not really separate from MSAA.
... IA2 assumes MSAA roles, states, events, etc. but then adds more where information is needed.
... IA2 is an extenstion of MSAA.

MC: We need to inform the director about this in the right way so that all bases are covered.
... I think that answers my questions on platform.
... Next, review these test cases, and make sure they are still accurate.
... there are places in the testable statements where there were ...
... I made a note: "note the following need AAPI representations of the expected results wrt posinset and setsize"
... there are things like this peppered about the wiki testable statements.
... we need to got through and flesh these out.

JS: there are a quite a few of those.

MC: some will be simple; some will be more involved.

JS: when is this due?

MC: want to good head start on the test suite as we enter last call.
... want to begin the testing to verify the testing methodology.
... ideally, enough testing on at least one user agent so we are relatively sure of the test suite by the time we enter last call.
... sometimes this is error correction.
... we also want to get to last call failry soon.
... the UAIG becomes more of a bottleneck as the ARIA testing is completed.
... If we want ARIA out by Dec of this year, we can't do last call less than three months from that — Sep.

JS: yes, it is a challenge.

MC: we've had our chat; we can continue to use this time for UAIG test case discussion.
... Should do in Mon call as well.
... and, we need to assign people to plug these gaps, so that we can declare the test suite good.

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