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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

30 May 2013

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Attendees

Present
Regrets
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Janina_Sajka
Scribe
JF

Contents


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<trackbot> Date: 30 May 2013

<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

<scribe> scribe: JF

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<scribe> scribe: JF

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Alt Edits Status Update

JS: we should probably update on this, however Steve F is not here
... I still have an open item to do on this
... expect that this will be discussed at next leadership call, Steve has a good plan but we need to get to the doing of it

Longdesc Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0079.html

JS: for those who may not have heard - Mozilla has announced that they will provide native support to longdesc
... sent an email to the list regarding this earlier today

Status is that since last meeting Chaals declared that with no oppostion that we will publish the draft

the CFC has emerged at the html wg,with some positive responses, and no objections

based on how it is going, PF will likely ask the HTML WG to move forward

we have to get this draft published by next week. if we cannot do so we run into a moratorium for a number of weeks - we are under a time-crunch

PC: the CFC that went to the HTML WG includes a full working week (sans holidays) thus it closes next Tuesday

me/ thanks Mark

s/ me/ thanks Mark/

PC: suggests that Janina respond to the HTML WG when confident of PF support. Paul will ensure that the Chairs issue the WG decisions ASAP. Suggest to also coordinate with the Team Contact to get document published quickly
... will work to help to facilitate that, will coordinate with Robin, Chaals, Mike smith, Mark, et al
... any discussion around late-breaking bugs against longdesc?

MS: discussed at bug triage call yesterday - they were editorial and I suspect that Chaals has addressed them and closed them already

JS: any other longdesc items?

HTML5 testing

JS: any reports regarding this? we will likely focus on this in a few weeks time.

PC: there is a thread asking about how they will deal with the summary from Robin. What order might the chairs be doing the material?
... Chairs had hoped to do this before today.
... current thought is to do a 'global' CFC that will run for a month to address Robins list from the F2F

interested to know if a month is sufficient for the TF to review Robin's document?

JS: suspect that we will have a good sense of reliable implementations - should be able to identify that during the month of June

If that is all that is required by then, we should be OK

JF: feels that the time line is adequate, but we ne3ed to get going. Do we have any dates, timelines, milestones?

JS: we had talked about adding it to each call. The previous plan was to schedule some "special calls" in June to do this
... also suggestion that we use our matrix as a starting point for the review

so I beleive we are at the point of needing to schedule some calls

JF: sounds like a plan, lets start.

JS: So, for scheduling a call - should we start a WBS survey and see who is available when ASk for availability
... suggest to ask Mark to set up a survey

JF: Mark?

Action on MarkS to set up a WBS survey to determine a good time for the review meetings

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ACTION MarkS to set up a WBS survey to determine a good time for the review meetings

<trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Set up a WBS survey to determine a good time for the review meetings [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-06-06].

Media Transcript

JF: need to coordinat a sub-team call

Media Source Extensions: Do we review?

PC: have started to review this, but do not expect a CFC for last call before the moratorium

JS: there are some concerns from PF, and they asked that we flag this at the TF - we should ensure that it receives a good review
... who might we be able to enlist to start the review

Perhaps Geoff at WGBH

SF: perhaps Andrew Kirkpatrick

JS: he may beg off as a new co-chair of WCAG

JF: suggest that this might be another topic for a media sub-team discussion - perhaps Silvia P

Text Bugs (Continued)

JS: suspect that this is much Triage as "text" bugs

MS: the bug triage team took oa few weeks off to accommodate scheduling issues, resumed yesterday

added some new memebers

MS: started to review and tagged a few new bugs, list not handy

JS: did mention that all the bugs against longdesc were addressed yesterday

MS: correct

Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;

JS: we had looked to address the Alt text issue and set the AAPI issues aside until then

SF: Have made some significant progress on updating the Alt text content. Have asked for some review, and when I return to that effort I will continue to ask for that review assistance

SF If you are familiar with the older work, you should be pretty much up-to-date

I have looked to simplify some of the content/examples

If it goes, as suspected, back into 5.0, it will likely age more gracefully

JS: sounds like a good set of criteria

SF I have done 7 of the sub-sections already, not significant changes, mostly editorial

a lot of the examples includes images, so for sighted folks who are attempting to understand what it going on, they have actual 'real world' examples

obviously for non-sighted users itr is more difficult - I have provided what I consider good examples

JF: asking about the intersection of longer textual descriptions in the Text alternative doucment and longdesc

<SteveF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#a-group-of-images-that-form-a-single-larger-picture-with-links

SF: I am talking about some of the issues that were in the spec, and some of the issues that were raised - i.e. the "Spagetti Monster" example

so not so much the Alt Text doc., but rather examples in the HTML 5.0 spec

SF: so often all I've done is to tweek some of the text, and added an "appropriate" image - sometimes cleaned up the code examples, it sometimes looked a bit "tacky" so mostly a buff and polish

JS: to be clear here, this is work happening on the 5.1 trunk, and the plan is that after review to look to back-port this to 5.0

DM: Bruce Baily and I went through the Alt Text doucment and did a full pass and made some notes/comments

should we be leveraging those and adding them as individual bugs, or is there another process we should follow?

SF: there are 2 documents and the plan is somewhat vague

some have normative documents that will become informative

I have been taking some examples and adding them to the html spec

DM: should we send over the document that we were working on? Of file bugs

DM do you want us to put it in the bug process, or just forward it to yo

SF: Best that the stuff in the HTML spec be reviewed in context, and file bugs against that

SF then look at the review of that, and take it back to the Alt Text doucment and go from there

DM: OK, will look at the 5.1 edits, and comment there

SF: plan on sending out an email of all the alt text edits taht have happened and ask for review against them

JS: reminder that all the work is happening in the 5.1 spec

SF: When you start looking at the advice... one of the things I have done is making a note "To be worked on" as an editorial comment

Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items

PC: just to note that I did my action item, and email went out now

JS: some administriva touch-points - any items/issues to report?

MS: no news to report. still working on work force statement

JS: we have some other items, but Chaals should be here (Open ACtion Items)

SF: notes we only have 9 minutes

JS: take back the time?
... adjorn early

Summary of Action Items

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