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14:59:38 trackbot, start meeting
14:59:40 RRSAgent, make logs world
14:59:42 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:43 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
14:59:43 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:44 Date: 30 May 2013
15:01:20 Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
15:01:20 Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:01:20 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:01:23 agenda+ Alt Edits Status Update
15:01:25 agenda+ Longdesc Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0079.html
15:01:28 agenda+ HTML5 testing
15:01:31 agenda+ Media Transcript
15:01:33 agenda+ Media Source Extensions: Do we review?
15:01:36 agenda+ Text Bugs (Continued)
15:01:38 agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;
15:01:41 agenda+ Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items
15:01:43 agenda+ (Overdue) Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:01:46 agenda+ Other Business
15:01:49 agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:01:52 agenda+ be done
15:03:33 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:03:33 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:03:34 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, SuzanneT_regrets, SteveF, MarkS, davidb, darobin, janina, MichaelC, hober, trackbot
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15:05:51 scribe: JF
15:05:59 zakim: agenda?
15:06:24 zakim: take up agenda
15:06:41 zakim, agenda?
15:06:41 I see 13 items remaining on the agenda:
15:06:43 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:06:43 2. Alt Edits Status Update [from janina]
15:06:43 3. Longdesc Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0079.html [from janina]
15:06:43 4. HTML5 testing [from janina]
15:06:43 5. Media Transcript [from janina]
15:06:44 zakim, take up agenda
15:06:44 6. Media Source Extensions: Do we review? [from janina]
15:06:44 7. Text Bugs (Continued) [from janina]
15:06:45 8. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; [from janina]
15:06:45 9. Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items [from janina]
15:06:45 10. (Overdue) Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]
15:06:45 11. Other Business [from janina]
15:06:45 12. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:06:45 13. be done [from janina]
15:06:45 I don't understand 'take up agenda', JF
15:06:55 scribe: JF
15:07:04 zakim, next item
15:07:05 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:07:13 zakim, close item 1
15:07:13 agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:07:15 I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:15 2. Alt Edits Status Update [from janina]
15:07:23 zakim, take up item 2
15:07:23 agendum 2. "Alt Edits Status Update" taken up [from janina]
15:07:57 JS: we should probably update on this, however Steve F is not here
15:08:07 JS: I still have an open item to do on this
15:08:43 JS: expect that this will be discussed at next leadership call, Steve has a good plan but we need to get to the doing of it
15:08:47 zakim, next item
15:08:47 agendum 3. "Longdesc Status Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0079.html" taken up [from janina]
15:09:25 JS: for those who may not have hear4d - Mozilla has announced that they will provide native support to longdesc
15:09:42 JS: sent an email to the loist regarding this earlier today
15:10:01 Status is that since last meeting Chaals declared that with no oppostion that we will publish the draft
15:10:34 the CFC has emerged at the html wg,with some positive responses, and no objections
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15:10:52 based on how it is going, PF will likely ask the HTML WG to move forward
15:11:11 zakim, what is the code?
15:11:11 the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:11:31 we hoe to get this draft published by next week. if we cannot do so we run into a moratorium for a number of weeks - we are under a time-crunch
15:11:51 s/loist/list
15:11:57 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:11:57 sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
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15:12:04 s/hear4d/heard
15:12:12 s/hoe/have
15:13:10 PC: the CFC that went to the HTML WG includes a full working week (sans holidays) thus it closes next Tuesday
15:13:28 me/ thanks Mark
15:13:42 s/ me/ thanks Mark/
15:14:56 PC: suggests that Janina respond to the HTML WG when confident of PF support. Paul will ensure that the Chairs issue the WG decisions ASAP. Suggest to also coordinate with the Team Contact to get document published quickly
15:16:45 PC: will work to help to facilitate that, will coordinate with Robin, Chaals, Mike smith, Mark, et al
15:18:55 PC: any discussion around late-breaking bugs against longdesc?
15:19:21 MS: discussed at bug triage call yesterday - they were editorial and I suspect that Chaals has addressed them and closed them already
15:19:46 JS: any other longdesc items?
15:19:51 zakim, next item
15:19:51 agendum 4. "HTML5 testing" taken up [from janina]
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15:20:14 q?
15:20:16 JS: any reports regarding this? we will likely focus on this in a few weeks time.
15:20:45 PC: there is a thread asking about how they will deal with the summary from Ramen. What order might the chairs be doing the material?
15:21:09 PC: Chairs had hoped to do this before today.
15:21:14 s/Ramen/Robin
15:21:22 zakim, this is pfwg
15:21:22 ok, Ralph; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:21:27 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:21:27 On the phone I see MarkS, ??P4, John_Foliot, hober, David_MacDonald, [Microsoft]
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15:22:04 PC: current thought is to do a 'global' CFC that will run for a month to address Robins list from the F2F
15:22:19 q?
15:22:25 interested to know if a month is sufficient for the TF to review Robin's document?
15:22:52 +[IPcaller]
15:23:06 zakim, IPcaller is me
15:23:06 +SteveF; got it
15:23:08 JS: suspect that we will have a good sense of reliable implementations - should be able to identify that during the month of June
15:23:31 If that is all that is required by then, we should be OK
15:23:35 Q+
15:23:42 ack jf
15:24:58 JF: feels that the time line is adequate, but we ne3ed to get going. Do we have any dates, timelines, milestones?
15:25:08 -hober
15:25:30 JS: we had talked about adding it to each call. The previous plan was to schedule some "special calls" in June to do this
15:25:37 +[Apple]
15:25:46 Zakim, Apple has me
15:25:46 +hober; got it
15:25:51 JS: also suggestion that we use our matrix as a starting point for the review
15:26:05 so I beleive we are at the point of needing to schedule some calls
15:26:16 q?
15:26:37 JF: sounds like a plan, lets start.
15:27:17 JS: So, for scheduling a call - should we start a WBS survey and see who is available when ASk for availability
15:27:31 JS: suggest to ask Mark to set up a survey
15:27:34 JF: Mark?
15:27:50 q?
15:28:15 Action on MarkS to set up a WBS survey to determine a good time for the review meetings
15:28:15 Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at .
15:28:41 ACTION MarkS to set up a WBS survey to determine a good time for the review meetings
15:28:41 Created ACTION-183 - Set up a WBS survey to determine a good time for the review meetings [on Mark Sadecki - due 2013-06-06].
15:28:46 zakim, next item
15:28:46 agendum 5. "Media Transcript" taken up [from janina]
15:29:34 JF: need to coordinat a sub-team call
15:29:39 zakim, next item
15:29:39 agendum 5 was just opened, JF
15:29:49 zakim, close item 5
15:29:49 agendum 5, Media Transcript, closed
15:29:50 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:29:50 6. Media Source Extensions: Do we review? [from janina]
15:30:00 zakim, take up next item
15:30:00 agendum 6. "Media Source Extensions: Do we review?" taken up [from janina]
15:30:23 PC: have started to revi8ew this, but do not expect a CFC for last call before the moratorium
15:30:39 s/revi8ew/review
15:31:18 JS: there are some concerns from PF, and they asked that we flag this at the TF - we should ensure that it receives a good review
15:31:31 JS: who might we be able to enlist to start the review
15:31:38 Q+
15:31:48 Perhaps Geoff at WGBH
15:32:11 SF: perhaps Andrew Kirkpatrick
15:32:23 JS: he may beg off as a new co-chair of WCAG
15:33:04 JF: suggest that this might be another topic for a media sub-team discussion - perhaps Silvia P
15:33:14 ack JF
15:33:29 zakim, next item
15:33:29 agendum 7. "Text Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from janina]
15:34:01 JS: suspect thta this is much Triage as "text" bugs
15:34:10 s/thta/that
15:34:43 MS: the bug triage team took oa few weeks off to accommodate scheduling issues, resumed yesterday
15:34:47 added some new memebers
15:35:07 MS: started to review and tagged a few new bugs, list not handy
15:35:25 JS: did mention that all the bugs against longdesc were addressed yesterday
15:35:28 MS: correct
15:35:39 zakim, next item
15:35:39 agendum 8. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;" taken up [from janina]
15:36:44 JS: we had looked to address the Alt text issue and set the AAPI issues aside until then
15:37:31 SF: Have made some significant progress on updating the Alt text content. Have asked for some review, and when I return to that effort I will continue to ask for that review assistance
15:37:36 Q+
15:38:00 SF If you are familiar with the older work, you should be pretty much up-to-date
15:38:12 I have looked to simplify some of the content/examples
15:38:32 If it goes, as suspected, back into 5.0, it will likely age more gracefully
15:38:40 JS: sounds like a good set of criteria
15:39:01 SF I have done 7 of the sub-sections already, not significant changes, mostly editorial
15:39:37 Q+
15:39:40 a lot of the examples includes images, so for sighted folks who are attempting to understand what it going on, they have actual 'real world' examples
15:39:49 q?
15:40:01 obviously for non-sighted users itr is more difficult - I have provided what I consider good examples
15:40:12 ack jf
15:41:41 JF: asking about the intersection of longer textual descriptions in the Text alternative doucment and longdesc
15:42:49 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#a-group-of-images-that-form-a-single-larger-picture-with-links
15:42:51 SF: I am talking about some of the issues that were in the spec, and some of the issues that were raised - i.e. the "Spagetti Monster" example
15:43:31 so not so much the Alt Text doc., but rather examples in the HTML 5.0 spec
15:44:38 SF: so often all I've done is to tweek some of the text, and added an "appropriate" image - sometimes cleaned up the code examples, it sometimes looked a bit "tacky" so mostly a buff and polish
15:45:09 JS: to be clear here, this is work happening on the 5.1 trunk, and the plan is that after review to look to back-port this to 5.0
15:45:12 ack David
15:45:36 DM: Bruce Baily and I went through the Alt Text doucment and did a full pass and made some notes/comments
15:45:59 should we be leveraging those and adding them as individual bugs, or is there another process we should follow?
15:46:14 SF: there are 2 documents and the plan is somewhat vague
15:46:23 some have normative documents that will become informative
15:46:40 I have been taking some examples and adding them to the html spec
15:47:02 DM: should we send over the document that we were working on? Of file bugs
15:47:15 DM do you want us to put it in the bug process, or just forward it to yo
15:47:35 SF: Best that the stuff in the HTML spec be reviewed in context, and file bugs against that
15:48:02 SF then look at the review of that, and take it back to the Alt Text doucment and go from there
15:48:15 DM: OK, will look at the 5.1 edits, and comment there
15:48:37 SF: plan on sending out an email of all the alt text edits taht have happened and ask for review against them
15:48:54 JS: reminder that all the work is happening in the 5.1 spec
15:49:41 SFG: When you start looking at the advice... one of the things I have done is making a note "To be worked on" as an editorial comment
15:49:54 q?
15:49:55 s/SFG/SF
15:50:02 zakim, next item
15:50:02 agendum 9. "Wiki, TF pages, similar administrative items" taken up [from janina]
15:50:28 PC: just to note that I did my action item, and email went out now
15:50:50 JS: some administriva touch-points - any items/issues to report?
15:51:16 MS: no news to report. still working on work force statement
15:51:49 JS: we have some other items, but Chaals should be here (Open ACtion Items)
15:51:56 SF: notes we only have 9 minutes
15:52:01 JS: take back the time?
15:52:06 JS: adjorn early
15:52:19 -[Apple]
15:52:25 -??P4
15:52:26 -John_Foliot
15:52:28 -MarkS
15:52:28 -David_MacDonald
15:52:34 -SteveF
15:52:49 rrsagent, make logs public
15:52:58 rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/30-html-a11y-minutes.html JF
15:53:32 zakim, please part
15:53:32 leaving. As of this point the attendees were MarkS, John_Foliot, hober, David_MacDonald, [Microsoft], SteveF
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15:53:39 rrsagent, please part
15:53:39 I see no action items