HTML Weekly Teleconference -- 23 May 2013

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<gitbot> 13html/06master 14f69bf68 15steve faulkner: adding images for alt section

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<gitbot> 13html/06master 1435f7d11 15steve faulkner: update A link or button containing only an image...

<SteveF> darobin: FYI started updating alt section of spec

<darobin> SteveF: saw the commits, thanks!

<darobin> this means I now need to train myself to stop typing crocofuck all the time

<SteveF> darobin: LOL

<darobin> I think I caught all the cases in which it happened, but it was close

<SteveF> darobin: hope to have the section done - initial pass for review over next few days

<darobin> wunderbar

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<gitbot> 13html/06master 14eac9210 15steve faulkner: fixed up code of last alt commit

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<gitbot> 13html/06master 1491cce44 15steve faulkner: changed image from jif to ping

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<gitbot> 13html/06master 143dbfd9e 15steve faulkner: tweaked exampce code

<stommepoes> SteveF are you just adding newlines?

<SteveF> where?

<stommepoes> last gitbot link for example

<SteveF> i removed <br> tags in <pre> and made it into new lines

<SteveF> also aligned pre code lines

<stommepoes> so you're fixing this http://stommepoes.nl/newlinesw3c.png not creating it?

<stommepoes> if fixing, good job, the newlines are annoying. It's like reading a bad email

<SteveF> yeah i will fix those as most examples are being replaced or updated

<SteveF> apparently it was done to show that code can be done that way...

<SteveF> or maybe not anyways will fix thanks for pointing out

<SteveF> stommepoes: where alt attribute content is really long its getting nixed as its not good practice

<stommepoes> For the stars example I tend to add an x for each thingie, and use an apart line somewhere to say what it means

<stommepoes> yeah I thought they were pretty long

<stommepoes> the rorschach... I dunno that I would describe what those are, I feel that belongs elsewhere

<stommepoes> right now I've changed some divs (fake checkboxes) holding background images to actual X's covered up by the images instead, and added a hidden line stating how many items are checked. I'm constrained by the graphic design but I think due to image-off/css-off sighted use case, that x representing star is more correct.

<stommepoes> Only reason I don't use real stars for stars is IE/Windows has issues with unicode icons :/

<stommepoes> Re my screenshot: if I lower my zoom the "is"s pop back in

<SteveF> darobin: how do you get w3 psec diffs to show? is it ?diff at end of url?

<darobin> SteveF: ,diff

<darobin> you can always just append a comma to see the list of tools

<SteveF> cheers

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<trackbot> Date: 23 May 2013

<rubys> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 23 May 2013

<rubys> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html

N0GNR

<scribe> scribenick: glenn

<paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html

Action Items Due this Week

ACTION-226?

<trackbot> ACTION-226 -- Kris Krueger to make sure that the organizational structure of github test suite is well documented -- due 2013-05-13 -- CLOSED

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/226

kris: updated this morning
... discussed at previous F2F
... posted to wiki

paulc: has been closed

New Issues this Week

paulc: none

Items Closing this Week

<krisk> I updated the wiki at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing that covers Action Item 226

Pre-Last Call period for Media Source Extensions (MSE) closed on Wed May 22

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0001.html

paulc: will create now LC draft

glenn: notes new bugs coming from OIPF

paulc: has made those folks aware of pre-LC timing
... they decided to file bugs

<paulc_> MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej

paulc: see link above
... 23 bugs, most filed recently, some technical
... pre-LC has had a good effect
... Media TF will take up

CfC: stop work on "HTML: The Markup Language" and "HTML5: Edition for Web Authors" closed on Thu May 23

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0069.html

paulc: this closes tonight midnite Eastern, no objection so far
... if passes, then candidate docs ready for pubs as WG Notes
... links went out earlier this week
... here:

<paulc_> See ready to go WG Notes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0087.html

New Calls this Week

CfC: Publish three heartbeat drafts as WDs closes Tue May 28

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0085.html

paulc: chairs have been working on this, and thanks to editors for breaking through tech issues
... closes on Tuesday next week
... if passes will publish on TR page next week

CfC: Publish main element extension specification as WG Note closes Tue May 28

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0086.html

paulc: has been folded into 5.1 and 5.0, will take doc on TR page and turn into WG Note
... will indicate no longer active developed doc
... will use this for future similar cases

CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0

paulc: in agenda, shows link

CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1, publish Microdata doc as a W3C note

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html

paulc: above is original link
... tantek expressed some concerns
... Charles wants work to proceed
... discussion is ongoing

<paulc_> See discussion thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0099.html

Tantek's response against continuing work on Microdata

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0139.html

Charles' response for continuing work on Microdata

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0099.html

Status: Chairs currently recommend that we let this dialogue continue.

paulc: any comments?

tantek: if there are supporters, then they need to do the work...
... i.e., implementation support work

paulc: notes that just restates what was in email
... needs to let dialog continue for a while

Task Force Reports

Accessibility Task Force

janina: continue to meet
... coordinating activities ... edits to ALT attribute section of spec
... in ARIA mappings document, could wait for ALT attribute work
... some folks are away this week
... biggest item: coordination of spec testing related to a11y features

<tantek> Note: paulc_ my comment was genuine. I have no objection to continuing discussions and my vote of confidence in the chairs to guide it is also genuine. I'll speak up again if I have new information to provide in the topic. Thanks.

janina: paulc will help with this

paulc: notes CfC in TF on longdesc

janina: published in Feb, bugs processed, some handled, some changes performed
... preparing for LC on doc, but wants to do new WD (stablization draft)
... i.e., a pre-LC
... then TF facilitators will request spec work from HTML Eds once process completed
... expect request within a week

Testing Task Force

<krisk> We met on 5/21 as planned

<krisk> Here is the IRC logs http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-htmlt-irc

s/krisk/krisk/

krisk: encourages attendance at upcoming TTWF in Tokyo

Media Task Force

<krisk> Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013May/0002.html

paulc: met on tuesday

<paulc_> TF minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0113.html

paulc: spent last meeting on EME bugs, some long outstanding

<krisk> Meeting just made sure we didn't have violent disagreement about GitHub organization 'master' and 'cr' branches in the 'web platform tests'

paulc: issued 9-10 new AIs to resolve
... will meet again (on EME) in 2 weeks
... MSE will meet this upcoming Tuesday

<paulc_> MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej

paulc: pre-LC has ended, with ~20 bugs filed
... MSE folks will focus on these new bugs, then prepare WD for LC
... AOB

AOB

TextTrack API changes

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Apr/0027.html

Status: What are the next steps on this matter?

hold, calling in again

<tantek> While Glenn is calling in, let me clarify re: md as a separate doc:

<tantek> No objections to Yandex editing md as a wd/cr and continuing work on it.

glenn: dialog needs to continue

paulc: requests glenn to revive thread, summarizing agreements and open issues

<scribe> ACTION: glenn to revive thread on text track cue open bugs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Revive thread on text track cue open bugs [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-05-30].

Overview of testing in view of CR exit

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0059.html

Status: The Chairs plan to bring this to the WG for a CfC on subsets of the recommendations.

paulc: will bring this to WG as series of CfCs
... no active plan yet, beginning dialog among chairs

<tantek> Will also note that Yandex also supports indexing microformats in addition to md: http://microformats.org/wiki/yandex-search without a need for microformats to be in a monolithic HTML5.x spec, thus there shouldn't be any problems with them similarly supporting md. Thanks, that was the only new information I thought of.

paulc: need consensus from WG on how to apply DAR's material
... i.e., DAR's record from recent F2F
... need to start putting these decisions in front of WG, should have something in the next 2 weeks

Scribe for Next Meeting

paulc: paulc will chair next week

<krisk> I can help

paulc: any volunteers for scribing

<krisk> scribe

krisk volunteers

paulc: thanks krisk for volunteering

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