Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

Continued discussion on ERT WG Charter update

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4#scope

[[Completing the Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) 1.0 including its supporting documents, a machine-readable language for reporting test results]]

[[Promoting the exchange of test results between evaluation, authoring, and quality assurance tools to support the production of accessible web content]]

CarlosV: have a formal proposal on that
... intending to do a member submission on this item
... something we have and are already using

Shadi: is it more than promoting then?
... facilitating?
... or even "developing a format to facilitate the exchange ..."?

CarlosV: based on REST

Shadi: do we have the resource commitment for this?

CarlosV: first version already exists, tangible

Shadi: but can you commit resources on the WG side to work on this?

CarlosV: can't tell right now

Shadi: need resources committed to keep work items in the Charter

[[Maintaining information about tools that assist evaluating the conformance of websites to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0]]

Shadi: currently resources available from the WAI-ACT Project

CarlosV: too much effort to keep up-to-date

Christophe: not sure of other alternatives that are more up-to-date
... there used to be but not seeing much anymore

[[Coordinating with the Education and Outreach Working Group (EOWG) on updating and potentially expanding the WAI resource Evaluating Web Sites For Accessibility]]

Shadi: Eval TF falls under this work
... also this work is supported by the WAI-ACT Project

[[Helping coordinate development of test files and test suites among WAI working groups including ...]]

Shadi: previously work on test samples related to this
... also "accessibility-support database" may fall under this
... but seems to broad as we don't really coordinate on the development of test suites

CarlosV: probably too difficult to achieve

Christophe: yes, development of test suites needs dedicated resources

CarlosV: maybe drop this item?

[[Monitor the developments and provide input into the new generation of combined and modularized WAI web accessibility guidelines (WAI 3.0)]]

Shadi: low resources but allows us to engage in discussion around future developments

CarlosV: may look ambiguous and unclear to external readers
... may ask why work on WAI 3.0 when there is still so much to do on WCAG 2.0?

Shadi: maybe wording needs refinement but basic intent is to enable this group to be involved in future discussion

CarlosV: avoid the versioning

<scribe> [[New: Accessibility Support Database]]

Shadi: falls under responsibility of this group because of current item #5

CarlosV: maybe need something more specific to accessibility-support database

Christophe: need to drop things before we can start new work?

Shadi: currently this item is supported by the WAI-ACT Project

Christophe: wasn't speaking about this particular work item
... I actually find this one very important

<samuelm> a couple of comments I sent before regarding the charter : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Apr/0007.html

<scribe> [[New: Guidance for Evaluation Tool Developers (aka AERT)]]

Shadi: also something that is currently supported by the WAI-ACT Project

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2013Apr/0007.html

Shadi: first point on aligning EARL with other (non-WAI) activities
... think it is the initial intent of EARL
... but concerned about not having sufficient resources to follow through

<cstrobbe> TAP: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Sep/0006.html

Shadi: at most potentially as joint work (through TFs or such)

<samuelm> my concern is that other groups (or stakeholders outside w3c) may have started using earl but they eventually dismiss it

Shadi: but probably cannot take active lead on this

<samuelm> but i understand the lack of resources

Christophe: tried to previously, based on feedback we received

<samuelm> lack of maturity I understand (example from WebID, although I later left the group)

<samuelm> from their perspective

Shadi: second point on better clarifying the scope of ERT WG and differentiating it from other WGs
... better communicate the work of this group

<samuelm> (note three of the points in the charter scope include crossed references to other WGs)

Christophe: need to understand what WCAG does and doesn't do before you can understand what ERT WG does

Shadi: inherent relationship between WCAG WG and ERT WG needs to be better described?

Christophe: yes

CarlosV: difficult to separate responsibilities

<samuelm> responsibility may end up blurred

Shadi: wondering about WCAG core group vs a WCAG support group

Next Meeting

<samuelm> * samuelm regrets for may 15, local holiday in madrid

May 1st and May 8th public holiday

next meeting probably May 15th