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Agenda point 1: call time change

<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/New_WCAGWG_time_Last_WCAG2ICT_edit/results

There would be more participants if we move the call to the former WCAG slot on Thursday

Resolution: HTML5-WAI-ARIA Techs meeting to 4 pm Boston Time, Thursdays

Next meeting will be on Thursday 2. May

Next agenda item: Feedback on Test case DB (link via Shadi)

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/#testform

URL only accessible via W3C login (to members)

James: not quite clear yet how this DB will be helpful - will be use it for establishing new techniques?

Loretta: Seems pretty HTML specific
... If a PDF file is used for testing, would you just upload as test file

James (trying to upload a PDF file)

Detlev: use case may be for developers to document self-constructed techniques to prove they are accessible

Loretta: Alos provide test files that other people can run tests on to establish level of support
... would this upload interface meet the purpose?

James: if all files uploaded in one directory works, it should be fine - script & CSS may be in the same file to simplify things (or all files needed in same directory)

Loretta: Needs some way for removing things if they don't work

James: Where do you specify the expected result? May be the test criteria

Detlev: The logic of how all this hangs together is notz terribly clear right now

Marc: Not so clear at the beginning that you have to specify a technique (rather than a Success Criterion)
... If you create something not yet in existence on the level of WCAG Technique

James: Can you search techniques - the search icon in the field About the Test Case doesn't work yet - may just be an autocomplete
... is it valid to have a test that relies on jQuery UI - because then you won't show much code , its all under covers

Loretta: Calling these tests could be confusing because of the terminology of tests in Techniques - these are examples
... these are specific example for people to try, but different from a test of a technique (would not validate a technique)

Marc: Currently tests that are being submitted won't show up under "View tests"
... The purpose is for the community to pick them up and run them to determine whether they pass or not

James: Screenreaders may give you a false positive (if SR has repair behaviour built in)

Loretta: Its a difficult process, needs careful thought

James: Probably won't be ready for first pass of ARIA Techniques

Detlev: Not open to non W3C members?

James: if developers have a good technique they can submit it as technique proper
... for novel techniques, there is currently no way of specifying whether the example is meeting a success criteria

Loretta: Don't understand "run tests" page at all ATM

Detlev: This may be part of WAI-ACT project

Next point: Handling feedback to techniques

James: Did anyone handle feedback?

Loretta: aria-flowto won't need changes to Failure

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA

Detlev: will pick up F65 add aria-LABEL / role presentation exceptions, for discusson
... will move F59 and F63 to "redy for review" section

James: encouraging Paul to write techniques if he can think of one missing

Paul: Is there a specific template / methof on writing techniques?

<jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template

James: Yes there are general instructions / a template
... Any other business?
... Agenda will be sent out on Monday/ Tuesday

Loretta: suggests to never make a survey of a couple or three surveys

no more than 2 or three, that is

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