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16:06:03 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.254.247.aaaa, James_Nurthen, [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Marc_Johlic, Detlev
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16:06:33 <jamesn> zakim, aaaa is Paul_Adam
16:06:33 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam; got it
16:06:48 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller is Loretta
16:06:48 <Zakim> +Loretta; got it
16:06:49 <Guest> hello
16:06:57 <jamesn> zakim, IPcaller.a is Adam
16:06:57 <Zakim> +Adam; got it
16:07:06 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:07:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Paul_Adam, James_Nurthen, Loretta, Adam, Marc_Johlic, Detlev
16:07:39 <Detlev> scribe: Detlev
16:08:45 <Detlev> Agenda point 1: call time change
16:11:18 <Detlev> zakim, mute me
16:11:18 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
16:11:55 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/New_WCAGWG_time_Last_WCAG2ICT_edit/results
16:12:37 <Detlev> There would be more participants if we move the call to the former WCAG slot on Thursday
16:14:12 <Detlev> ack me
16:15:34 <Detlev> Resolution: HTML5-WAI-ARIA Techs meeting to 4 pm Boston Time, Thursdays
16:16:14 <Detlev> Next meeting will be on Thursday 2. May
16:16:52 <Detlev> Next agenda item: Feedback on Test case DB (link via Shadi)
16:17:08 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/accessibility-support/#testform
16:18:20 <Detlev> URL only accessible via W3C login (to members)
16:19:33 <Detlev> James: not quite clear yet how this DB will be helpful - will be use it for establishing new techniques?
16:19:44 <Detlev> Loretta: Seems pretty HTML specific
16:20:39 <Detlev> Loretta: If a PDF file is used for testing, would you just upload as test file
16:21:07 <Detlev> James (trying to upload a PDF file)
16:23:12 <Detlev> Detlev: use case may be for developers to document self-constructed techniques to prove they are accessible
16:23:37 <Detlev> Loretta: Alos provide test files that other people can run tests on to establish level of support
16:24:34 <Detlev> Loretta: would this upload interface meet the purpose?
16:25:38 <Detlev> James: if all files uploaded in one directory works, it should be fine - script & CSS may be in the same file to simplify things (or all files needed in same directory)
16:26:01 <Detlev> Loretta: Needs some way for removing things if they don't work
16:27:46 <Detlev> James: Where do you specify the expected result? May be the test criteria
16:28:27 <Detlev> Detlev: The logic of how all this hangs together is notz terribly clear right now
16:29:06 <Detlev> Marc: Not so clear at the beginning that you have to specify a technique (rather than a Success Criterion)
16:29:36 <Detlev> Marc: If you create something not yet in existence on the level of WCAG Technique
16:31:17 <Detlev> James: Can you search techniques - the search icon in the field About the Test Case doesn't work yet - may just be an autocomplete
16:31:58 <Detlev> James: is it valid to have a test that relies on jQuery UI - because then you won't show much code , its all under covers
16:32:44 <Detlev> Loretta: Calling these tests could be confusing because of the terminology of tests in Techniques - these are examples
16:33:35 <Detlev> Loretta: these are specific example for people to try, but different from a test of a technique (would not validate a technique)
16:34:29 <Detlev> Marc: Currently tests that are being submitted won't show up under "View tests"
16:35:17 <Detlev> Marc: The purpose is for the community to pick them up and run them to determine whether they pass or not
16:35:51 <Detlev> James: Screenreaders may give you a false positive (if SR has repair behaviour built in)
16:36:15 <Detlev> Loretta: Its a difficult process, needs careful thought
16:36:44 <Detlev> James: Probably won't be ready for first pass of ARIA Techniques
16:38:27 <Detlev> Detlev: Not open to non W3C members?
16:39:02 <Detlev> James: if developers have a good technique they can submit it as technique proper
16:40:06 <Detlev> James: for novel techniques, there is currently no way of specifying whether the example is meeting a success criteria
16:41:27 <Detlev> Loretta: Don't understand "run tests" page at all ATM
16:43:23 <Detlev> Detlev: This may be part of WAI-ACT project
16:43:50 <Detlev> Next point: Handling feedback to techniques
16:44:04 <Detlev> James: Did anyone handle feedback?
16:44:26 <Detlev> Loretta: aria-flowto won't need changes to Failure
16:50:54 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
16:51:31 <Detlev> Detlev: will pick up F65 add aria-LABEL / role presentation exceptions, for discusson
16:52:05 <Detlev> Detlev: will move F59 and F63 to "redy for review" section
16:52:44 <Detlev> James: encouraging Paul to write techniques if he can think of one missing
16:53:17 <Detlev> Paul: Is there a specific template / methof on writing techniques?
16:53:17 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Technique_Template
16:53:29 <Detlev> James: Yes there are general instructions / a template
16:53:57 <Detlev> James: Any other business?
16:54:33 <Detlev> James: Agenda will be sent out on Monday/ Tuesday
16:55:40 <Detlev> Loretta: suggests to never make a survey of a couple or three surveys
16:55:55 <Detlev> no more than 2 or three, that is
16:56:21 <Zakim> -Paul_Adam
16:56:22 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:56:23 <Zakim> -Detlev
16:56:24 <Zakim> -Adam
16:56:24 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:56:29 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
16:56:29 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.254.247.aaaa, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Detlev, Paul_Adam, Loretta, Adam
16:56:31 <jamesn> zakim, please part
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16:56:46 <jamesn> Meeting: HTML5 & ARIA technqiues TF
16:56:51 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:57:15 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
16:57:17 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:57:54 <jamesn> chair: James_Nurthen
16:58:00 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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