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<trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
<ivan> trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
<pgroth> hi
<pgroth> ivan
<pgroth> i'll try
<pgroth> dialing in now
<ivan> it is still early...
<pgroth> yes
<pgroth> :-)
<pgroth> trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
<pgroth> Scribe: Tom De Nies
<pgroth> @ivan you still have to edit though :-)
<pgroth> i did it this week
<pgroth> actually much nicer
<pgroth> +1 to sandro
<ivan> yes, you need to edit:-)
yes
<pgroth> Minutes of April 11, 2013 Telcon
+1
<Curt> 0 (not present)
<dgarijo> +1
pgroth: vote on last week's minutes
<Paolo> +1
<smiles> +1
<zednik> +1
<pgroth> accepted: : Minutes of April 11, 2013 Telcon
pgroth: there are no action items
<pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30
pgroth: All editors need to check if the staged version is on the publication request wiki page
correct for prov-dictionary
<smiles> checked correct for primer (at last week's telecon)
pgroth: Reminder to remove the links to editor's drafts in ALL final documents
<dgarijo> removed from the dc note :)
pgroth: please check before you
stage
... We've been going through typos, thanks.
<smiles> Yes
pgroth: Who has checked their
provenance of provenance?
... PROV-XML?
zednik: I'll have to look
... timeframe?
pgroth: Not really pressing, but
would be great if it's done by the publication
... Not done yet for PROV-AQ and PROV-Overview
... PROV-DC?
dgarijo: Added some rdfs, but haven't looked at Luc's document yet
pgroth: be sure to check Luc's provenance first
not yet
Tom: PROV-Dictionary not looked at it yet
jcheney: Not done yet for PROV-Sem
<dgarijo> +q
Dong: haven't looked at it yet for PROV-Implementations
dgarijo: Is it the provenance descriptions on the mercurial repository?
<jcheney> luc's prov-sem stuff looks fine
pgroth: yes, we cna use those, unless you made some provenance yourself
<lebot> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/file/tip/provenance
lebot: Just want to make sure that the provenance directory in mercurial is the correct one
pgroth: That's where we put all
the prov-of-prov, but James posted the one from Luc. (which is
eventually find its way there)
... Graham has been responding to remaining issues
... now up to me for staging
dgarijo: Addressed most of
Stian's and Antoine's comments
... Would be nice if someone could have a final look, because
of the large number of revisions made.
<dgarijo> thx Tim!
<pgroth> tim to review prov-dc for grammar and stuff
lebot: I'll do it. (grammar and syntax checking)
pgroth: Any more comments?
<stain> I'm fine to vote
pgroth: Blockers from the reviewers?
dgarijo: Antoine will make some comments via email. Can we make changes after this vote?
<stain> Antoine is not on the call now, is he?
pgroth: Only until final
staging
... after that, this is final release (Working Group Note)
dgarijo: He hasn't suggested changes yet, but he was going to comment on the mapping via email.
pgroth: We already gave a long time to comment. I think it's enough.
<stain> +1 - unless he has already strongly voiced (or said he would voice) any particular blocking concern
pgroth: If real issues arise, they can be handled in the errata/FAQ
<stain> pgroth: does he not sit meters away from you..?
pgroth: Do you have the link for the document to vote on?
dgarijo: yes, it's the staged document (not the ED)
<dgarijo> I still have to push a couple of minor things, but that is the doc.
<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-dc as a Working Group note.
<stain> +1
<pgroth> +1
<Dong> +1
<SamCoppens> +1
<Paolo> +1
<zednik> +1 (RPI)
+1
<ivan> +1
<jcheney> +1
<hook> +1
<smiles> +1
<Curt> +1
<stain> no, it's a note
<pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-dc as a Working Group note.
pgroth: Congratulations Daniel and Simon.
<dgarijo> :)
<smiles> Kai not me
Tom: PROV-Dictionary staged
... meets the pubrules as far as I can tell, and validates and
passes the link-checker
... All remaining issues pending review, want to close them, do
we need a vote?
https://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/19
Tom: prov-n example needs to be
validated.
... still todo: check provenance of PROV-Dictionary
... Document to vote on:
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/NOTE-prov-dictionary-20130430/Overview.html
pgroth: Comments?
<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-dictionary as a Working Group note.
pgroth: then we are ready to vote
<ivan> +1
<smiles> +1
<Curt> +1
<zednik> +1
<SamCoppens> +1
<Paolo> +1
+1 (!)
<pgroth> +1
<stain> +1
<hook> +1
<Dong> +1
<dgarijo> +1
<jcheney> +1
<pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-dictionary as a Working Group note.
zednik: Got feedback from paul,
luc, james and tom
... addressed everything, Editor's Draft is 99,99%
finished.
... Not staged yet, but will do soon
mine were all fine
<Curt> Did you go through all of Luc's annotated pages, Stephan?
pgroth: All my comments were addressed.
<jcheney> ok with me
<zednik> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/xml/prov-xml.html
<Curt> I saw a bunch of recent changes, but didn't look over everything recently
<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-xml as a Working Group note.
<Dong> +1
<dgarijo> +1
+1
<smiles> +1
<hook> +1
<Paolo> +1
<jcheney> +1
<Curt> +1
<SamCoppens> +1
<ivan> +1
<zednik> +1 :-)
<stain> +1
pgroth: any other comments?
<pgroth> Accepted: to publish prov-xml as a Working Group note.
pgroth: Congratulations Stephan, Curt and Hook!
<pgroth> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/overview/prov-overview.html
pgroth: made a few changes based
on the received comments, thanks for those
... made colors correspond to document roadmap and layout
correspond to dependencies between the document.
<dgarijo> yep
pgroth: Also added core
recommendations from the PROV Incubator Group, stating that we
met all of them
... Any questions?
... One thing to discuss was: Did we meet the
requirements?
... There was one about accessing provenance.
... Luc didn't think we met it, but James and I did because we
have the extensibility.
I think we certainly provide enough flexibility
<pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/#Broad_Recommendations
<smiles> Isn't PAQ quite agnostic to provenance format?
<Curt> "
pgroth: Yes, the PROV-AQ is agnostic to format
<Curt> "show include a mechanism" I think we meet
<dgarijo> we provide a mapping to vocabularies that define terms to define licenses (DC).
<Curt> "should"
<dgarijo> no objections from my part.
<jcheney> sounds good to me
<smiles> Yes, I think we meet the requirement in a reasonable way
pgroth: So no objections to saying that we support this recommendation.
<pgroth> PROPOSED: to publish prov-overview as a Working Group note.
<dgarijo> +1
<SamCoppens> +1
<smiles> +1
+1
<ivan> +1
<jcheney> +1
<hook> +1
<stain> +1
<Curt> +1
<pgroth> +1
<lebot> +1
<Paolo> +1
<zednik> +1
<Dong> +1
<pgroth> Accepeted: to publish prov-overview as a Working Group note.
pgroth: I'll stage it somewhere this week
<dgarijo> +q
pgroth: We'll be looking into promotion for the standard once it's published
WWW2013 is May 12th, we should promote it there I think.
dgarijo: Can we reuse the blog material and such on other websites?
pgroth: Yes, but keep the provenance of it ;)
<stain> how sad!
<SamCoppens> Bye!
<Dong> bye all
<pgroth> @ivan do you have time to chat?
<pgroth> trackbot, end telcon
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