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HTML A11y TF bug triage weekly telecon

10 Apr 2013

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Léonie_Watson, Hans_Hillen, Michael_Cooper
Regrets
Chair
Léonie Watson
Scribe
Hans Hillen, hhillen, MichaelC

Contents


New bugs review

<LJWatson> Scribe: Hans Hillen

<hhillen> scribe: hhillen

HH: 16 new bugs
... Majority were bugs from Leif about longdesc
... not sure if we need to track these

LW: Just add the number to the chat, Charles is probably on top of those since it's his extension

HH: Longdesc related bugs:

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21436&list_id=7384

@longdesc should, like @src, be a valid *non-empty* URL.

Longdesc related, Fixed, no need to track

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21437&list_id=7384

Say that @longdesc should point to *accessible* descriptions

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21438&list_id=7384

Relocate the informative NOTE on authoring Best Practices to where it is relevant.

Not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21493&list_id=7384

Describe the longdesc link rot issue and suggest how to combat it

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21494&list_id=7384

Describe data URIs as a valid use of the longdesc attribute

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21501&list_id=7384

Advice to conformance checkers section

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21564&list_id=7384

Allow ATs/UAs to use heuristics to suppress presentation of erroneous or pointless longdescs

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21565&list_id=7384

Should it be an error to use @longdesc on presentational images? And/Or should it _affect_ the role of the image?

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21566&list_id=7384

User agents must present longdesc through normal interfaces.

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21571&list_id=7384

The sub-sentence "but there are many resources available" etc.

Longdesc related, not sure if this needs to be tracked

HH: Additional bugs:

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21420

Bug 21420 - note about conforming image is incorrect

No need to track

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21421&list_id=7384

add aria-label and aria-valuetext to list of translatable attributes in html 5.1

HH: no need to track

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579&list_id=7384

Empty @alt should not imply role="presentation" if the <img> has @usemap

LW: We should probably push this up to the TF, I will get their decision on it and if necessary add the keyword later.

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21615&list_id=7384

refer to details not summary in reference to open element

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

hh: seemed editorial

lw: agree

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21623

hh: editorial, looking for example, no need to track

lw: agree

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21563

hh: this essentially functions as Steve´s announcement that he plans to remove hgroup from the spec

lw: no need for TF tracking of the bug

mc: are we happy with the decision to remove hgroup? There were various opinions

lw: there´s discussion about using <small> element for sub-headings

mc: seems worse than hgroup

lw: agree

hh: what is point of hgroup

mc: for sub-headings

do see value in it

though lots of room for author misunderstanding and a11y problems from bad implementation

lw: can take to TF

hh: seems marginal value compared to other stuff we´re working on

mc: see no value in pushing if it´s not implemented

but too bad, thought was good to meet the use case

hh: you could meet this with ARIA, and aria-level

Open bugs review

<LJWatson> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?keywords=a11ytf%2C%20&query_format=advanced&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=3940&bug_status=NEW

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9280

looks like this was moved to WhatWG product, and Ian started processing

lw: a couple seem to be assigned to CSS, why do they have TF keyword

mc: they may have been originally HTML bugs that were subsequently moved to other groups

may be legitimate to do that, we´ve seen bugs that were more appropriate to another spec

lw: but then they´re not TF bugs, they´re PF issues

mc: yes, something to worry about process-wise to hand off

lw: will raise question with TF

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9544

mc: has TF keyword, but we never triaged this in

somebody just randomly added it, not sure who that person is

lw: will remove TF keyword

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12999

another one moved to WhatWG, but cloned to HTML as 19039

lw: so can move the TF keyword from the WhatWG one, and just track the HTML one

but that one was promptly marked resolved later, so we´ll need to track that

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13576

mc: also moved to WhatWG

again cloned to make 19044

similarly promptly marked as resolved later

lw: we´ll look at resolved later next week

<hhillen> MichaelC: The minutes link leads to a 404 page, is there something else I need to do?

Summary of Action Items

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