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<bevcorwin> Hello
<dorian> one moment, feeding skype
:)
<dorian> kind of surprised the w3c didn't spring for a teleconf service
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-site-design/2013Mar/0003.html Agenda
-> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign home page for the project
<bevcorwin> Dorian - are you going to dial in to the call?
intros:
Ian Jacobs
Bev Corwin
-> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=61899&public=1 Participants list
scribe: lots of experience in web application development, also interest in w3c
<dorian> like i said bev, feeding skype because i don't want to pay 40c/min or whatever it is
Robin Ginn (MS)
<dorian> canada
Michael Nieling
Laura Creekmore
scribe: Creek Content (Nashville)...content strategy and info architecture...mostly in health care space
Kelly McCarthy
scribe: Easy Designs
<dorian> thanks ian that's good to know for future ref
scribe: helping with project
management
... getting Phase I off the ground
http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot -> bot instructions
<bevcorwin> Dorian I'll try to add you from here.
"q+"
Minutes to be public
Dorian Taylor
Minutes will be public
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Phase_I
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Phase_I
webplatform.org
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Goals
IJ: Anything else in the goals section?
Laura: +1 to content strategy development as a goal
dorian: Would you consider the main product of the site to be the tech reports?
Products:
* specifications
* venue (memberships, community groups, menu of groups)
* testing resources (increasingly) .....another site?
* web developer resources -> webplatform.org
* validator.w3.org
* a little training
* html5 logo
dorian: I was mostly thinking
about the temporality of resources on a site.
... e.g., the TRs are supposed to persist across time
... persistent artifacts
... also a question of digestable chunks
<lcreekmo> I think it will be interesting to see what your research says about the audiences and how they view W3C/and the site. One big opportunity I see looking in from outside is potential to make your resources more accessible, and to more easily direct people to the place they need to be.
mailing lists
--> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Mar/0158.html random page
Laura: I thought your list of
products and services as an org is useful
... will be useful to see the brand research
<dorian> (for the IAI mailing lists I'm considering putting them on the web as SIOC in RDFa)
Laura: What we want to share v. what audiences want to find
<Zakim> Ian, you wanted to talk about brand research
<Kelly> also actual usage stats
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#Notes_on_Preliminary_Qualitative_Brand_Research
<dorian> the w3c presents as an interested party, but the interest is benevolent (i.e. TBL)
<dorian> (re that disconnect with developers, the xhtml2 vs html5 schism probably didn't help)
Kelly: Looking at brand research ... has anyone in the branding team looked at "brand research" v. "organizational vision"?
<dorian> early on in my career, my view of the w3c was like the Chinese proverb "the mountain is high and the emperor is far away"
<dorian> (~15 years ago)
IJ: Should we write down some of the org vision bits in the wiki?
Kelly: Yes
... important to have that as a touch point for other work.
<bevcorwin> where is the best org vision page?
Ian...Stewardship is an important issue where we straddle various topics
Robin: Visual identity do we have from a governance perspective.
IJ: Not much in the way of rules
<bevcorwin> A no rules rule?
<dorian> the favicon looks like an inkling of new design
http://www.w3.org/wiki/ModernGuide
<lcreekmo> Wow. Useful stuff, especially with the kind of organization that you are/want to be.
Topics: W3C audiences/users and their needs
Analytics
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/privacy-statement-20000612
<lcreekmo> wooooooow.
<dorian> i assume you keep apache logs? :)
<dorian> because i did this a while back, just from apache logs: http://doriantaylor.com/visualizing-paths-through-the-web
<lcreekmo> From one perspective, that's really lovely. But it would be even better if we could figure out a privacy-sensitive way to do analytics. Wouldn't that be a great benefit to the whole community?
IJ: I will keep you posted
... What should we do with analytics......and
non-analytics?
<bevcorwin> enterprise search?
<dorian> yeah, $GOOG webmaster tools
<AaronGustafson> Google Webmaster Tools
<AaronGustafson> jinx
<bevcorwin> lol
<dorian> heheh
IJ: Custom / enterprise search?
<bevcorwin> sorry for speaking out of queue. lol
<scribe> ACTION: Ian to add explicitly search strategy and relation to analytics to wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-minutes.html#action01]
<AaronGustafson> Alexa: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/w3.org
IJ: Surveys?
... Interviews?
<bevcorwin> Both
Robin: I sent informal email within MS about this
+1 to both set of base questions and open questions
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#W3C_Audiences
<bevcorwin> Stakeholders mappings internal / external / etc.
<bevcorwin> Has anyone w/ W3C created a standards library w/ taxonomy, etc., of all the standards out there like the programmable web's API library?
<dorian> reference implementations of specs, examples etc
<dorian> have you considered allocating parcels of a couple grand apiece to designers to do demos
<dorian> ?
<dorian> designers and developers i should say
<lcreekmo> ouch.
<bevcorwin> I like "good enough practices" lol
<Kelly> Just a remainder that we have ~8 mins remaining. :)
<bevcorwin> Any research available for performance metrics?
<lcreekmo> Ugh, bless your heart. :)
<dorian> everybody is so polite
Laura: It does sound like there's
a decent body of work that needs to happen
... it sounds like good thinking on starting point..and what
challenges and limitations are.
... they are useful to us
<bevcorwin> Indeed
Laura: there are lot of good questions to ask...now it seems to me a matter of prioritization...and talking to audiences
<bevcorwin> To the how - suggest asking if we can enable insiders to present questions, surveys, etc. and coordinate with us.
IJ: Insider survey? External survey?
bevcorwin: We can get some of the
audience reps to help with questions, surveys.
... ask, e.g., a chair to see if chair interested in
identifying questions, sitting in on an interview or two
IJ: Ok for internal, what about external?
bevcorwin: What about community groups?
+1
<dorian> can we get those figures minuted?
<dorian> or a link
<dorian> :)
IJ: 2500 individuals
... 933 non-members
... 173 members
bevcorwin: We could also tap into organizations (IAI)
iJ: +1 to w3c member developer
communities
... We are also redesigning cg site
<dorian> business ecosystem
<dorian> (<=> inventory of stakeholders)
bevcorwin: Do you have audiences classed out?
Ian: No
http://www.w3.org/wiki/Headlights2013/SiteRedesign#W3C_Audiences
<dorian> e.g. http://doriantaylor.com/file/iai-postcard-recto;scale=500,316
<scribe> ACTION: Bev to suggest how to flesh out audiences / stakeholders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-minutes.html#action02]
Kelly: Let's schedule next teleconf...and find actions / questions we want to answer.
IJ: for assets..please add to
wiki your notes
... For next time...please think about how Phase I should
go
<scribe> ACTION: Robin to write down baseline questions for (1) chairs and (2) members generally for internal interviews/survey within the membership [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-minutes.html#action03]
<AaronGustafson> I am happy to help review
<AaronGustafson> for external
<dorian> will review as well
<scribe> ACTION: Ian to work with Bev on set of questions for external audiences to give feedback. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-minutes.html#action04]
<Kelly> me too
Constraints?
bevcorwin: not Mondays
<dorian> likewise; Mondays are mental
<dorian> i would say standing constraint not earlier than 8am pst
<lcreekmo> all depends on the day for me. I'm flexible...
Proposed: 1pm ET on 9 April
(Tuesday, 9 April)
<lcreekmo> that works
<dorian> that should be fine
And then 23 April same time: 1pm ET
<lcreekmo> same time? that works on 4/23.
<dorian> ok
<bevcorwin> dates are ok
<Kelly> maybe a doodle poll so we can maybe pick up some of the folks not on this call
<scribe> ACTION: Kelly to propose doodle poll suggesting other times for those not on call. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/01-site-design-minutes.html#action05]