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<trackbot> Date: 06 March 2013
<janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
<scribe> scribe: jcraig
JS: Topic: Editor Update
<jasonjgw> There's an open issue regarding specs not loading properly in Chrome browsers.
<jasonjgw> Branch oddities have occurred in PF hg repository and may occur if anyone pushes changes without pulling the latest revisions first.
jc: updated specs for Chrome not
loading http scripts
... have not been able to update User Context spec yet
... have local edits for additional actions in Events spec;
hope to have those in today or tomorrow.
... Make sure, if you're pushing to the Mercurial repo, be sure
to pull first, otherwise, we get weird branching problems.
js: Daylight Savings Time is this
weekend. Next 4 meetings (8 weeks) are at 21:00 UTC Zulu
... EU and AU times will be different. US times will still be
5pm Eastern, 2pm Pacific
js: looking to improve efficiency/productivity of the group email and telecon process
js: weekly telecon time is one
consideration
... trying to avoid the flurry of activity only right before
telecons
... will call for agenda earlier, and post a survey of topics
(scribe may have missed some details here?)
jw: from experience, when WCAG WG ran surveys, we found it very useful, particularly with controversial items
jc: regular list contributions come with more regular edits; also think the survey and earlier agenda is a good idea.
mc: agreed. trying to stimulate discussion of topics not necessarily tied to spec edits
jc: such as privacy; user expectations of what to share, when, and how.
<jasonjgw> James suggests that the timing of discussions (tending to occur shortly before meetings) is not caused by the bi-weekly meeting arrangements.
mc: checking for issue on privacy; no issues exists
<MichaelC> issue: Privacy in User Context
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-10 - Privacy in User Context; please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/issues/10/edit>.
<jasonjgw> He agrees with the survey and agenda proposals.
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate issue-10 with product-3
<trackbot> ISSUE-10 (Privacy in User Context) associated with PRODUCT-3.
<jasonjgw> There are larger topics that could productively be discussed on list, e.g., privacy issues raised by User Contexts.
js: no objection to earlier agenda and use of surveys to organize meeting efficiency
<jasonjgw> Discussion of grounding this topic in open issues on the issue list.
js: i will call for agenda items on wednesday or thursday of week prior to call
jw: surveys tend to be most useful with existing controversies
mc: will also open survey items to other suggestions
RESOLUTION: Janina and Michael will try the early agenda and survey approach
agenda
js: CSUN takeaway is that we need
this as soon as possible
... ~ Events module is more concrete. WG understanding of User
Context draft is more subjective. Need to coalesce WG
opinion.
... need more use cases for User Context module.
... could have an action to clean up the use case wiki, so that
the read is not repetitive. Cooper volunteered.
mc: Some requirements were around
things like tree controls. e.g. "command to open a tree branch"
(expand request)
... some are accessibility requirements PFWG should work on in
other technologies.
... in order to more clearly focus the IndieUI work
<jasonjgw> James agrees that use cases need to be collapsed/reorganized as discussed.
<jasonjgw> Some use cases are covered by events not yet in the draft and should be consolidated in the requirements.
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to volunteer to take actions
mc: need to sort and reorg Use Case requirements, and identify related requirements.
jw: Identifying use cases for
User Context would help codify WG understanding regarding this
module
... seems most useful for cases that are most controversial
js: I don't think they were controversial in that anyone disagreed they were useful, just regarding the technical and UI implementation.
jw: I suggest that some (all?) of the more easily specified prefs are already covered by other specs.
ah: I think all of these are necessary and not covered by existing technologies
js: privacy issues need use cases, for example less private at work or with your bank than with forums, or general sites
<scribe> ACTION: cooper to consolidate use cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Consolidate use cases [on Michael Cooper - due 2013-03-13].
mc: later step will be thinking
about which use cases are most relevant to User Context
... first pass of use case cleanup will be about structure more
than content
jc: mentioned captions as an example of one that is not fully covered by other technologies, including WebVTT
js: WebVTT is competing with
TTML
... CVA will probably go TTML; may have to support both.
... something about key/value pairs?
... to improve efficiency of spec prod, need to also prioritize
each use case and feature
mc: andy and rich's proposal
included properties and multiple values
... could be more understandable as simpler key/value pairs
<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to volunteer to reformat the proposal from Andy / Rich as key value pairs - as a proposed structure only to show how it would look, not comments on content
<MichaelC> ACTION: cooper to reformat the proposal from Andy / Rich as key value pairs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/06-indie-ui-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Reformat the proposal from Andy / Rich as key value pairs [on Michael Cooper - due 2013-03-13].
rs: i like the idea of key/value pairs
ah: will make comments on IRC if
call drops out
... can't do inferencing with key value pairs
... discussing inferencing main value versus fallback values or
lower priority values
mc: I'll take a pass at showing how that can be done with key/value pairs
js: CSUN consensus "what do we do until we can use IndieUI"
<Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to make sure people are not promoting IndieUI as the spec that will solve everything
jw: web app authors will have to implement
<MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting
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