W3C

HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

21 Feb 2013

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, hober, Stevef, Judy, paulc, [Microsoft], Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
leonie
Chair
Janina_Sajka
Scribe
MichaelC

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 21 February 2013

<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

<janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka

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<scribe> scribe: MichaelC

Shall we schedule a CSUN break?

js: CSUN conference taking place next week, many of us will be there

RESOLUTION: no meeting 28 February 2013

next meeting: 7 March 2013

Longdesc Update http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Feb/0093.html

js: discovered that the CfC pointed to an old revision

that didn´t include the changes mentioned in the CfC

have restarted the CfC with the correct URI

in both HTML WG and HTML A11Y TF

no objections yet

concerns raised around development path that we expect to take up in due course of that path

jb: so when would the new HTML CfC close?

end of day next Wednesday?

hopefully MikeS can still publish the following day, 28 Feb

other process steps that have to be done?

js: yes, some of the team publication steps aren´t done yet

mc: that could be front-loaded in advance of closing the CfC

jb: so guess it couldn´t get published until following week

mc: could in principle with negotiation with Webmaster and front-loading

pc: there is a backlog of HTML publications that needs to be cleared

treating first-come first-serve, this would be behind those others

jb: if we get other Team to help out can that help queue it up in advance?

pc: no problem in principle

note Transition Request needs a date, document, and short-name

sent by one of the chairs

mc: maybe could help out though don´t want to step on Mike / Robin

is this because of CSUN?

jb: not critical but want to demonstrate progress

js: just explaining that it´s legitimately in queue should be good

jb: ok

pc: will also try to push out the others

<paulc> lost contact

js: if the spec has a heartbeat, the obsoletion of longdesc might be gone

sf: not aware of plans for that

just extension specs right now

pc: will update admin list later today on the pub cycle

Expanding Editors for "ARIA in HTML" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Feb/0078.html

js: Steve asked to add a couple editors

noted off list that the candidates work for one organization; unsure of level of concern about that

meanwhile another name came forward that would balance

jb: it´s worth paying attention to that issue

glad for the multiple support offered

the balancing would help in workload and representation

considering representation between PF and HTML WGs

would like someone who´s in PF to ensure spec accuracy

sf: that´s about following the spec carefully, and responding to issues that are raised

js: the main thing we want to look at is not conflicting with the ARIA Authoring Practices

jb: in part the goal is to ensure the PFWG is stimulated to look more closely via one of these editors

js: PF has normative docs that are top priorities but is publishing update of Authoring Practices

important to coordinate content

sf: the main component of this document is the table that maps HTML elements to ARIA features

because that´s not clear in HTML spec alone

<Judy> Judy suggests that going forward, the "author" designation could be used to reflect Steve's role developing this doc, and that Gez and David be noted as Editors

js: suggest the editors of the various docs coordinate

jb: ^

sf: don´t plan to step away immediately, need to transition them in

can manage mechanical aspects while they help with content, keep it up to date

RESOLUTION: David MacDonald, Gez Lemon, Hans Hillen join Steve Faulkner as editor of Using WAI-ARIA in HTML

Alt in the HTML Spec: Rewriting Sec.4.8.1.1

js: the TF co-facilitators have discussed with Robin Berjon

Section 4.8.1.1 deals with using alt in HTML, and has sub-sections

wasn´t clear this particular organization was the best presentation for a spec

also some of the examples weren´t ideal

and some guidance conflicted with WCAG recommendations

Robin said we should think through what the best presentation of this content within the HTML spec should be

then can look at how it relates to HTML-ISSUE-30 stuff

I plan to submit content explaining that @alt is in general the best way to handle text alternatives

but it doesn´t handle all cases

point to @longdesc extension spec and others

then need to look at the sub-sections, their order, content, etc.

will work this out on the HTML WG list

plan to work iteratively

because of CSUN, don´t expect progress for a couple weeks

sf: Robin wants to see that the content in the spec continue to be there, but that the form of it is subject to modification

is ok with updating the specific guidance of sub-sections

note this has been normative up to now

plan to keep base guidance normative but examples informative

js: agreed to leave some authoring guidance in

but limit to well-established practices

point elsewhere for guidance that requires more exposition

pc: is this for 5.0 or 5.1?

sf: initial plan was 5.1

when we arrive at consensus on contents, could port back to 5.0

pc: as a separate spec, or directly in HTML 5.1?

sf: directly in 5.1
... one push-back on normative requirements was on things that can´t be machine checked

could be a reason to reduce some of the normative statements

since we plan to do this iteratively, not drop a whole bunch of changes in

perhaps section by section

we´ll have opportunity to build support piece by piece

js: early on we should address what the subsections should be and the order they should be in

then tackle them one by one

Epub Workshop Report: Judy Brewer & Janina Sajka

jb: W3C held a digital publishing workshop last week

jointly with International Digital Publishing Forum

well attended

lots of a11y interest

there was a dedicated panel on accessibility moderated by Janina

covered Digital Rights Management, haptics, aural CSS, educational testing

looking now at priorities and mode of coordination going forward

and which parts of W3C work are involved

js: ePub wants to be as close to HTML 5 as possible

need to get requirements to the table

has been done well with mobile

IDPF doesn´t have much staff availability to get involved

There was discussion on direct accessibility of graphical content

haptic was one idea

also work underway in SVG

understanding that @alt and @longdesc are workarounds, prefer to move to direct accessibility model

There was a lot of discussion of MathML

educational publishers really need it, and have done a lot of work to build support

but insufficient support in the browsers

suggestion made to fork the open source projects, though unsatisfactory

different ideas about how widespread it is

on the open Web not seen much

but in walled gardens, such as educational publishing, it´s widespread

that usage not always visible

Joining CSS FtF meetings will be one opportunity to explore requirements

CSS fonts, CJK relationship, line spacing

pc: so the more successful marketing of HTML 5 and Open Web is

the more communities like this we need to get on board

e.g., in the media space, dealing with a requirement to insert advertisements into the media stream

¨With success comes more work¨

jb: in the case of publishing, they´ve wanted to coordinate for a long time

only considered forking because W3C HTML was progressing slowly

so think there will be good motiviation to more forward on joint work

yes, does expand workload on all of us

There will be questions about what work comes to what parts of W3C

this TF may need to consider which pieces it gets involved in

js: hope this can recruit resources to W3C work

IDPF has good base of adoption

ePub 3 picked up DAISY

so we´re not starting from scratch

Summary of Action Items

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