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<trackbot> Date: 25 January 2013
<ebremer> I'm on phone
<bblfish_> hi
<bblfish> Today's Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0046.html
<ebremer> i am +1.631.444.aaaa
<scribe> scribenick: deiu
<TallTed> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/
bblfish: you can't be part of the
same company and have a different vote
... the poll is per affiliation, not per individual
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/results
<bblfish> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/results
scribe: might have missed some people who are not affiliated
bblfish is reading the votes results
TallTed: maybe we should nudge the non-responders (12 or so)
bblfish: so far it looks like
we're converging on Nr.3
... it would be nice to have Timbl cast his vote
TallTed: you may be giving Timbl's vote too much weight in the poll
<bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-privacy-minutes.html
bblfish: do we have an issue for
privacy?
... it would be very good to have a section on privacy
issue-24?
<trackbot> ISSUE-24 -- Privacy issues from WebID URI dereferencing -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/24
TallTed: the removal of user
interaction is not a hight benefit here, but the user choice is
important
... when you authn to a place, you should know that the service
will try to identify you, so you need to be able to choose your
persona
bblfish: is this something we need to put into a spec? which?
TallTed: issue-24 should remain open, since it bears discussion
<bblfish> reopen issue-24
<trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-24 Privacy issues from WebID URI dereferencing.
bblfish: we need to discuss what to do with it
<bblfish> Issue-68?
<trackbot> ISSUE-68 -- privacy considerations section -- raised
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/68
<bblfish> Proposal: open issue-68?
<bblfish> +1
<bobP> +1
bblfish: we can open issue-68 and see how we can combine it with issue-24
+1
<bergi> +1
<TallTed> trackbot, associate issue-68 with issue-24
<trackbot> TallTed, please associate just one ACTION with one ISSUE.
<bblfish> reopen issue-68
<trackbot> Re-opened ISSUE-68 privacy considerations section.
<bobP> can't hear
<ebremer> a bit better
<bblfish> better
<bblfish> Andrei's arguing there should be a small section in the spec
deiu: we should have a pointer in the spec, linking to a more in-depth analysis of the privacy issues
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html
<bblfish> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html#privacy
bblfish: we need to show that
users can protect their profile documents
... we need a security section
... maybe a "Security Considerations" sections
<bblfish> Andrei: it should not be exhaustive
<bblfish> TallTim: it does not need to be exhaustive
<bblfish> ... it is a high level overview. There are privacy considerations, security ones, specific protocols are going to have more information... So the specifics are not going to come in unless you use TLS
<bobP> choppy
quick brb
<ebremer> a "truth in lending"
<bblfish> proposal: add a small security section to the spec
<bblfish> proposal: add a small security section to the WebID Identity and Discovery
<bblfish> +1
<bblfish> ack
<bblfish> ACTION: deiu to create do open issue in database, and create page on security [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/25-webid-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - Create do open issue in database, and create page on security [on Andrei Sambra - due 2013-02-01].
<scor> scor: I haven't heard back from Jeff Sayre re his contributions on User Stories
<bblfish> deiu: WebACL is using WebID as the default identity mechanism
<bblfish> ... not sure if we should discuss this as part of the WebID group.
<bblfish> ... it could be a group, that could produce a spec and ontology
<scor> +1 one to open a WebACL CG, and keep the WebID group focused on WebID only
<bblfish> scor: people may be interested in WebID but not WebACL, and it may be too much noise.
scor: we can use the WebID teleconf slots for WAC, having a WebID confcall every two weeks
<bobP> Is it the case that the objections from that fellow from Google a few months ago primarily came from an ACL perspective?
<scor> scor: for example, WebID call the first Friday of the month, ACL call (using the WebID phone bridge) the third Friday of the month
bblfish: we need to have people using WAC to come and suggest improvements to the ontology
<TallTed> identity (WebID or otherwise) is necessary for access control (WebACL or otherwise); access control is not necessary for identity
<TallTed> it might be useful to create a WebID Task Force (WebID interop?) to look at the interaction between these (and others?), but I think Access Control needs its own space ... and I think this piece of interop is more about WebID-over-TLS than Conceptual-WebID
<scor> deiu: ACL will be easier to sell without the dependency on WebID
<scor> bblfish: I agree... or RDF
http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
<bblfish> thanks scor
<bblfish> I have WAC, data.fm, deiu
<bblfish> readwriteweb on github
deiu: bergi has WAC too
<bblfish> action deiu, to turn WAC into a real process
<trackbot> Error finding 'deiu,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.
<TallTed> action deiu to turn WAC into a real process
<trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - Turn WAC into a real process [on Andrei Sambra - due 2013-02-01].
Proposal: next week
<bblfish> next week because of the results of vote will be in
<bblfish> +1
+1
<bergi> +1
Resolved: next week
<bblfish> bye
<ebremer> waves
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