IRC log of webid on 2013-01-25
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be WEBID
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- ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM already started
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- Meeting: WebID Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 25 January 2013
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- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, +1.631.444.aaaa, scor, [OpenLink]
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, bobP, deiu, TallTed, ebremer, oberger, mischat, elf-pavlik, bblfish_, trueg, bergi, jmvanel, magnetik, rszeno, trackbot, sandro
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- Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
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- +TallTed; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- TallTed should now be muted
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- I'm on phone
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- +??P14
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- +bblfish
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- Zakim, ??P14 is me
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- +bergi; got it
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- hi
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- +??P16
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- Zakim, ??P16 is me
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- +deiu; got it
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- Zakim, mute me please
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- deiu should now be muted
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- Zakim, unmute me
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- deiu should no longer be muted
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- TallTed has changed the topic to: WebID Community Group -- http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ -- 2013-01-25 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0020.html
- 15:04:53 [bblfish]
- Today's Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0046.html
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, +1.631.444.aaaa, scor, TallTed (muted), bergi, bblfish, deiu
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, bobP, deiu, TallTed, ebremer, oberger, mischat, elf-pavlik, bblfish, trueg, bergi, jmvanel, magnetik, rszeno, trackbot, sandro
- 15:05:13 [ebremer]
- i am +1.631.444.aaaa
- 15:05:26 [TallTed]
- TallTed has changed the topic to: WebID Community Group -- http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ -- 2013-01-25 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0046.html
- 15:05:34 [TallTed]
- Zakim, aaaa is ebremer
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- +ebremer; got it
- 15:06:15 [deiu]
- scribenick: deiu
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- Topic: votes
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/
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- Zakim, mute me please
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- deiu should now be muted
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- Zakim, unmute me
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- TallTed should no longer be muted
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- bblfish: you can't be part of the same company and have a different vote
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- ... the poll is per affiliation, not per individual
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/results
- 15:08:26 [bblfish]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash/results
- 15:09:15 [deiu]
- ... might have missed some people who are not affiliated
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- bblfish is reading the votes results
- 15:10:26 [deiu]
- TallTed: maybe we should nudge the non-responders (12 or so)
- 15:10:51 [deiu]
- bblfish: so far it looks like we're converging on Nr.3
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- ... it would be nice to have Timbl cast his vote
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- TallTed: you may be giving Timbl's vote too much weight in the poll
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- q?
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- Topic: Privacy
- 15:12:38 [bblfish]
- http://www.w3.org/2013/01/24-privacy-minutes.html
- 15:12:58 [deiu]
- bblfish: do we have an issue for privacy?
- 15:13:09 [deiu]
- ... it would be very good to have a section on privacy
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- issue-24?
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- ISSUE-24 -- Privacy issues from WebID URI dereferencing -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/24
- 15:14:45 [deiu]
- TallTed: the removal of user interaction is not a hight benefit here, but the user choice is important
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- ... when you authn to a place, you should know that the service will try to identify you, so you need to be able to choose your persona
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- bblfish: is this something we need to put into a spec? which?
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- q+
- 15:16:50 [deiu]
- TallTed: issue-24 should remain open, since it bares discussion
- 15:16:55 [bblfish]
- reopen issue-24
- 15:16:58 [trackbot]
- Re-opened ISSUE-24 Privacy issues from WebID URI dereferencing.
- 15:17:26 [deiu]
- bblfish: we need to discuss what to do with it
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- Issue-68?
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- ISSUE-68 -- privacy considerations section -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/68
- 15:18:02 [bblfish]
- Proposal: open issue-68?
- 15:18:07 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:18:09 [bobP]
- +1
- 15:18:11 [deiu]
- ... we can open issue-68 and see how we can combine it with issue-24
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- +1
- 15:18:15 [bergi]
- +1
- 15:18:15 [TallTed]
- trackbot, associate issue-68 with issue-24
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- TallTed, please associate just one ACTION with one ISSUE.
- 15:18:44 [bblfish]
- reopen issue-68
- 15:18:45 [trackbot]
- Re-opened ISSUE-68 privacy considerations section.
- 15:18:59 [TallTed]
- s/bares discussion/bears discussion/
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- ack deiu
- 15:19:27 [bobP]
- can't hear
- 15:20:02 [ebremer]
- a bit better
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- better
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- Andrei's arguing there should be a small section in the spec
- 15:21:07 [deiu]
- deiu: we should have a pointer in the spec, linking to a more in-depth analysis of the privacy issues
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- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html
- 15:22:46 [bblfish]
- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html#privacy
- 15:24:45 [deiu]
- bblfish: we need to show that users can protect their profile documents
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- ... we need a security section
- 15:26:32 [deiu]
- ... maybe a "Security Considerations" sections
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- q?
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- Andrei: it should not be exhaustive
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- TallTim: it does not need to be exhaustive
- 15:28:35 [bblfish]
- ... it is a high level overview. There are privacy considerations, security ones, specific protocols are going to have more information... So the specifics are not going to come in unless you use TLS
- 15:28:38 [bobP]
- choppy
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- q+
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- q-
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- quick brb
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- -deiu
- 15:29:41 [ebremer]
- a "truth in lending"
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- +??P16
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- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, ebremer, scor, TallTed, bergi, bblfish, ??P16
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- On IRC I see deiu_, scor, Zakim, RRSAgent, bobP, TallTed, ebremer, oberger, mischat, elf-pavlik, bblfish, trueg, bergi, jmvanel, magnetik, rszeno, trackbot, sandro
- 15:31:07 [deiu_]
- Zakim, ??P16 is me
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- +deiu_; got it
- 15:31:17 [bblfish]
- proposal: add a small security section to the spec
- 15:32:29 [bblfish]
- proposal: add a small security section to the WebID Identity and Discovery
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- +1
- 15:34:28 [deiu]
- q+
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- ack
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- ack deiu
- 15:36:19 [bblfish]
- action: deiu to create do open issue in database, and create page on security
- 15:36:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-53 - Create do open issue in database, and create page on security [on Andrei Sambra - due 2013-02-01].
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- Topic: Web Access Control
- 15:37:36 [scor]
- q+
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- q+
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- ack scor
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- scor: I haven't heard back from Jeff Sayre re his contributions on User Stories
- 15:41:50 [bblfish]
- deiu: WebACL is using WebID as the default identity mechanism
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- ... not sure if we should discuss this as part of the WebID group.
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- ack deiu
- 15:42:29 [bblfish]
- ... it could be a group, that could produce a spec and ontology
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- q?
- 15:42:36 [scor]
- +1 one to open a WebACL CG, and keep the WebID group focused on WebID only
- 15:42:50 [scor]
- q+
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- q+
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- ack scor
- 15:43:57 [deiu]
- ack deiu
- 15:44:03 [bblfish]
- scor: people may be interested in WebID but not WebACL, and it may be too much noise.
- 15:44:21 [scor]
- q+
- 15:46:29 [deiu]
- ack scor
- 15:47:35 [deiu]
- scor: we can use the WebID teleconf slots for WAC, having a WebID confcall every two weeks
- 15:47:52 [deiu]
- q+
- 15:48:09 [bobP]
- Is it the case that the objections from that fellow from Google a few months ago primarily came from an ACL perspective?
- 15:48:41 [scor]
- scor: for example, WebID call the first Friday of the month, ACL call (using the WebID phone bridge) the third Friday of the month
- 15:49:43 [deiu]
- bblfish: we need to have people using WAC to come and suggest improvements to the ontology
- 15:49:46 [TallTed]
- identity (WebID or otherwise) is necessary for access control (WebACL or otherwise); access control is not necessary for identity
- 15:51:35 [TallTed]
- it might be useful to create a WebID Task Force (WebID interop?) to look at the interaction between these (and others?), but I think Access Control needs its own space ... and I think this piece of interop is more about WebID-over-TLS than Conceptual-WebID
- 15:51:49 [scor]
- deiu: ACL will be easier to sell without the dependency on WebID
- 15:52:06 [scor]
- bblfish: I agree... or RDF
- 15:52:22 [deiu]
- ack deiu
- 15:53:19 [deiu]
- http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebAccessControl
- 15:53:46 [bblfish]
- thanks scor
- 15:54:26 [bblfish]
- I have WAC, data.fm, deiu
- 15:54:43 [bblfish]
- readwriteweb on github
- 15:55:16 [deiu]
- deiu: bergi has WAC too
- 15:55:27 [bblfish]
- action deiu, to turn WAC into a real process
- 15:55:27 [trackbot]
- Error finding 'deiu,'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.
- 15:55:44 [TallTed]
- action deiu to turn WAC into a real process
- 15:55:44 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-54 - Turn WAC into a real process [on Andrei Sambra - due 2013-02-01].
- 15:56:19 [bblfish]
- Topic: next meeting?
- 15:56:37 [deiu]
- Proposal: next week
- 15:56:39 [bblfish]
- next week because of the results of vote will be in
- 15:56:41 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:56:43 [deiu]
- +1
- 15:56:49 [bergi]
- +1
- 15:57:02 [deiu]
- Resolved: next week
- 15:57:30 [bblfish]
- bye
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- -ebremer
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- -Bob_Powers
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- -bergi
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- -scor
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- -TallTed
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- waves
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- -bblfish
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- -deiu_
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- INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Bob_Powers, +1.631.444.aaaa, scor, TallTed, bblfish, bergi, deiu, ebremer, deiu_
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- rrsagent, please make record public
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/25-webid-minutes.html deiu
- 15:58:48 [bblfish]
- btw: for scribest the info is here: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/Scribing.html
- 15:59:43 [deiu]
- cool, thanks
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- When the teleconf starts?
- 16:24:08 [deiu]
- domel, it ended 25 mins ago
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