Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 04 March 2013

Seen
Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Cody Burleson, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story, Kevin Page, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Roger Menday, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
Regrets
Yves Lafon
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of February 25 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-02-25 approved link
  2. close actions 30, 31, 34, 37 link
  3. open issue-50 link
  4. Publish latest draft as our Second Public Working Draft. link
Topics
14:55:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/04-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/04-ldp-irc

14:55:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

14:55:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

14:55:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

14:55:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:55:19 <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2013
14:58:28 <Ruben1> Am I the only one who cannot get past Zakim?

Ruben Verborgh: Am I the only one who cannot get past Zakim?

14:58:35 <Ruben1> It says my code is not valid.

Ruben Verborgh: It says my code is not valid.

14:58:45 <Ruben1> It's 53794, right?

Ruben Verborgh: It's 53794, right?

14:59:13 <Arnaud> hi, I haven't tried yet

Arnaud Le Hors: hi, I haven't tried yet

14:59:17 <cody> me too - holding for operator

Cody Burleson: me too - holding for operator

14:59:27 <Ruben1> ok, will do the same

Ruben Verborgh: ok, will do the same

14:59:56 <Ashok> zakim, code?

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, code?

14:59:56 <Zakim> sorry, Ashok, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ashok, I don't know what conference this is

15:00:07 <sandro> Zakim, what is the code?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, what is the code?

15:00:07 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I don't know what conference this is

15:00:14 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting

Sandro Hawke: trackbot, start meeting

15:00:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

15:00:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

15:00:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

15:00:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
15:00:19 <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2013
15:00:20 <Ashok> zakim, this is ldp

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, this is ldp

15:00:20 <Zakim> sorry, Ashok, I do not see a conference named 'ldp' in progress or scheduled at this time

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ashok, I do not see a conference named 'ldp' in progress or scheduled at this time

15:00:34 <sandro> uh ph

Sandro Hawke: uh ph

15:00:36 <sandro> uh oh

Sandro Hawke: uh oh

15:00:42 <Arnaud> there is a problem

Arnaud Le Hors: there is a problem

15:00:43 <Ruben> Zakim, what is wrong with you?

Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, what is wrong with you?

15:00:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Ruben.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Ruben.

15:00:54 <Ashok> zakim is confused

Ashok Malhotra: zakim is confused

15:00:56 <sandro> zakim, room for 30 people?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, room for 30 people?

15:00:58 <Zakim> ok, sandro; conference Team_(ldp)15:00Z scheduled with code 26637 (CONF7) for 60 minutes until 1600Z

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; conference Team_(ldp)15:00Z scheduled with code 26637 (CONF7) for 60 minutes until 1600Z

15:01:03 <Arnaud> I alreaady told trackbot to start the meeting but somehow the code is said to be wrong

Arnaud Le Hors: I alreaady told trackbot to start the meeting but somehow the code is said to be wrong

15:01:11 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: USE ZAKIM CODE 26637 for today

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: USE ZAKIM CODE 26637 for today

15:01:17 <sandro> USE ZAKIM CODE 26637 for today

Sandro Hawke: USE ZAKIM CODE 26637 for today

15:01:20 <Zakim> Team_(ldp)15:00Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(ldp)15:00Z has now started

15:01:23 <Arnaud> ok

Arnaud Le Hors: ok

15:01:27 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:01:31 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

15:01:41 <Ashok> zakim, code?

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, code?

15:01:42 <Zakim> the conference code is 26637 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26637 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Ashok

15:01:43 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

15:01:43 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:01:58 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:02:09 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:02:25 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

15:02:30 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:02:38 <Zakim> + +1.214.537.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.214.537.aaaa

15:02:41 <sandro> (repeating for newcomers)   USE ZAKIM CODE 26637 FOR TODAY

Sandro Hawke: (repeating for newcomers) USE ZAKIM CODE 26637 FOR TODAY

15:02:51 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

15:02:59 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

15:02:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see TallTed (muted), SteveS, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, +1.214.537.aaaa, ??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TallTed (muted), SteveS, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, +1.214.537.aaaa, ??P0

15:03:07 <pchampin> #zakim, ??P0 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: #zakim, ??P0 is me

15:03:13 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: dial-in code 26637 for 2013-03-04 -- Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.04

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: dial-in code 26637 for 2013-03-04 -- Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.04

15:03:24 <Zakim> +Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben

15:03:31 <bblfish> am having trouble getting into the call

Henry Story: am having trouble getting into the call

15:03:43 <Zakim> +MHausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +MHausenblas

15:03:48 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me

15:03:48 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it

15:03:51 <Arnaud> bblfish, try the new code

Arnaud Le Hors: bblfish, try the new code

15:03:53 <cygri> zakim, kalpa is with me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, kalpa is with me

15:03:53 <Zakim> +kalpa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kalpa; got it

15:03:57 <Ruben> Code 26637 today

Ruben Verborgh: Code 26637 today

15:04:05 <Ruben> Default one doesn't work

Ruben Verborgh: Default one doesn't work

15:04:10 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:04:17 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

15:04:35 <Arnaud> zakim, who is on the call?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who is on the call?

15:04:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see TallTed (muted), SteveS, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, +1.214.537.aaaa, ??P0, Ruben, cygri, bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TallTed (muted), SteveS, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, +1.214.537.aaaa, ??P0, Ruben, cygri, bblfish

15:04:37 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, kalpa

15:05:19 <TallTed> Zakim, aaaa is cody

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaaa is cody

15:05:19 <Zakim> +cody; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cody; got it

15:05:46 <pchampin> zakim, ??P0 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P0 is me

15:05:46 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:05:46 <Arnaud> zakim, who is on the call?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who is on the call?

15:05:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see TallTed, SteveS, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, cody, pchampin, Ruben, cygri, bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TallTed, SteveS, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, Sandro, cody, pchampin, Ruben, cygri, bblfish

15:05:47 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, kalpa

15:06:44 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:07:04 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: DIFFERENT dial-in code TODAY: 26637 for 2013-03-04 -- Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.04

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: DIFFERENT dial-in code TODAY: 26637 for 2013-03-04 -- Linked Data Platform WG -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/ -- current agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.04

15:07:05 <Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
15:07:12 <Arnaud> zakim, pick a victim

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, pick a victim

15:07:12 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cygri

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose cygri

15:07:36 <cygri> arnaud, no, sorry

Richard Cyganiak: arnaud, no, sorry

15:07:49 <Ashok> scribenick:  Ashok

(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)

15:08:05 <Ashok> Topic:  Admin

1. Admin

15:08:17 <Ashok> Approval of minutes from Feb 25

Approval of minutes from Feb 25

15:08:40 <Zakim> +??P22

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22

15:08:56 <svillata> Zakim, ??P22 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P22 is me

15:08:56 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

15:09:04 <Ashok> No objection.

No objection.

<ashok> resolved: Minutes of February 25 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-02-25 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of February 25 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2013-02-25 approved

15:09:31 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Should we have a call on Monday?  F2f next week

Arnaud Le Hors: Should we have a call on Monday? F2f next week

15:10:00 <Ashok> No objection.  There will be a call next Monday 3/11

No objection. There will be a call next Monday 3/11

15:10:14 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Discusses f2f

Arnaud Le Hors: Discusses f2f

15:10:23 <Yves> regrets: Yves
15:10:25 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice]

15:10:31 <ericP> Zakim, [GVoice] is me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, [GVoice] is me

15:10:31 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it

<Ashok> Topic: Tracking of Actions & Issues

2. Tracking of Actions & Issues

15:10:36 <Ashok> subTopic:  Actions

2.1. Actions

15:11:46 <Ashok> SteveS:  I made some changes based on resolutions

Steve Speicher: I made some changes based on resolutions

15:11:46 <bblfish> is there a diff?

Henry Story: is there a diff?

15:12:00 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:12:17 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/pendingreview

Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/pendingreview

15:12:22 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:12:53 <bblfish> A diff URL of the spec differences would be useful

Henry Story: A diff URL of the spec differences would be useful

15:13:38 <Ashok> SteveS:  There is a change log.

Steve Speicher: There is a change log.

15:14:05 <Ashok> ... also a Change History in mercurial repository

... also a Change History in mercurial repository

15:14:06 <SteveS> Changeset history in repo is at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg

Steve Speicher: Changeset history in repo is at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg

15:14:28 <Ashok> SteveS:  Changes were all editorial

Steve Speicher: Changes were all editorial

15:14:40 <bblfish> ok

Henry Story: ok

15:14:58 <bblfish> yes

Henry Story: yes

15:15:01 <SteveS> no objection

Steve Speicher: no objection

15:15:32 <Arnaud> resolved: close actions 30, 31, 34, 37

RESOLVED: close actions 30, 31, 34, 37

15:16:20 <Ashok> Arnaud:  ACTion-29 is open

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTion-29 is open

15:16:29 <bblfish> yes

Henry Story: yes

15:16:34 <Ashok> subTopic:  Issues

2.2. Issues

15:16:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Henry raised a new issue Issue-50

Arnaud Le Hors: Henry raised a new issue ISSUE-50

15:17:09 <Ashok> ... it is about creating a new type of container

... it is about creating a new type of container

15:18:03 <Ashok> ... it has to do with people being able to post content with relative URLs

... it has to do with people being able to post content with relative URLs

15:18:41 <SteveS> +1 to open it

Steve Speicher: +1 to open it

15:19:17 <pchampin> q+ to raise a concern about issue-50

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to raise a concern about ISSUE-50

15:19:31 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:19:31 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to raise a concern about issue-50

Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin, you wanted to raise a concern about ISSUE-50

15:20:09 <Ashok> Pchampin:  Not sure why this would be useful ... uses URI knowledge rather than triples.

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Not sure why this would be useful ... uses URI knowledge rather than triples.

15:20:30 <bblfish> Well Tim Berners-Lee and the group agreed that relative urls would be very important

Henry Story: Well Tim Berners-Lee and the group agreed that relative urls would be very important

15:20:49 <TallTed> +1 open

Ted Thibodeau: +1 open

15:20:59 <bblfish> +1 open it

Henry Story: +1 open it

15:21:03 <Ashok> No objections to opening

No objections to opening

15:21:04 <Arnaud> proposed: open issue-50

PROPOSED: open ISSUE-50

15:21:25 <Arnaud> resolved: open issue-50

RESOLVED: open ISSUE-50

<ashok> Topic: F2F Objectives & Agenda

3. F2F Objectives & Agenda

15:22:12 <Ashok> Arnaud:  I put out objectives and agenda for f2f

Arnaud Le Hors: I put out objectives and agenda for f2f

15:22:23 <Ashok> ... please review: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F2

... please review: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F2

15:24:29 <Ashok> Topic: Publication of LDP Second Public Draft

4. Publication of LDP Second Public Draft

15:24:42 <Ashok> Arnaud:  I suggest we publish what we have

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest we publish what we have

15:24:54 <Arnaud> Proposed: Publish latest draft as our Second Public Working Draft.

PROPOSED: Publish latest draft as our Second Public Working Draft.

15:24:59 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:25:03 <Ashok> +1

+1

15:25:07 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:25:09 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

15:25:09 <Ruben> +1

Ruben Verborgh: +1

15:25:11 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:25:13 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

15:25:17 <svillata> +1

Serena Villata: +1

15:25:27 <cody> +0

Cody Burleson: +0

15:25:41 <Arnaud> resolved: Publish latest draft as our Second Public Working Draft.

RESOLVED: Publish latest draft as our Second Public Working Draft.

15:25:48 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

15:26:45 <Ashok> s/resolved/RESOLVED/
15:26:45 <Ashok> Topic: Open Issues

5. Open Issues

15:27:47 <Ashok> subtopic: ISSUE-33 Pagination for non-container resources

5.1. ISSUE-33 Pagination for non-container resources

<ashok> Arnaud: last time we talked about this we left it saying we needed a use case

Arnaud Le Hors: last time we talked about this we left it saying we needed a use case

15:28:34 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:29:00 <Arnaud> ack cygri

Arnaud Le Hors: ack cygri

15:29:24 <Ashok> Richard:  I can take an action to provide a usecase for issue-33

Richard Cyganiak: I can take an action to provide a usecase for ISSUE-33

15:29:31 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

15:29:45 <krp> zakim, ??P27 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P27 is me

15:29:45 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

15:30:38 <Arnaud> action: cygri to propose a use case for issue-33

ACTION: cygri to propose a use case for ISSUE-33

15:31:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Propose a use case for issue-33 [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2013-03-11].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-39 - Propose a use case for ISSUE-33 [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2013-03-11].

15:31:13 <bblfish> Issue-49?

Henry Story: ISSUE-49?

15:31:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-49 -- Canonical URL - how to communicate its value to clients -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-49 -- Canonical URL - how to communicate its value to clients -- open

15:31:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/49

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/49

15:31:31 <Ashok> subTopic: ISSUE-49: Canonical URL - how to communicate its value to clients

5.2. ISSUE-49: Canonical URL - how to communicate its value to clients

15:32:41 <Ashok> No HTTP experts on the call.

No HTTP experts on the call.

15:32:42 <bblfish> Issue-21?

Henry Story: ISSUE-21?

15:32:42 <trackbot> ISSUE-21 -- container affordances -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-21 -- container affordances -- open

15:32:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/21

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/21

15:32:48 <Ashok> subTopic: ISSUE-21: Reverse membership predicates?

5.3. ISSUE-21: Reverse membership predicates?

15:33:37 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:33:48 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:34:14 <Ashok> Arnaud:  There is currently no requirement for resources to point back to the container

Arnaud Le Hors: There is currently no requirement for resources to point back to the container

15:34:33 <SteveS> can't you just include a within the resource's representation that triple: <containerURL> refs:member <.> ?

Steve Speicher: can't you just include a within the resource's representation that triple: <containerURL> refs:member <.> ?

15:34:57 <bblfish> ok

Henry Story: ok

15:35:09 <bblfish> I argued that <> ldp:contains <.> .

Henry Story: I argued that <> ldp:contains <.> .

15:35:21 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

15:35:21 <bblfish> you don't need a reverse relationship from content to container

Henry Story: you don't need a reverse relationship from content to container

15:35:53 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Henry sent a note on ldp:contains arguing we need a different relationship to capture this

Arnaud Le Hors: Henry sent a note on ldp:contains arguing we need a different relationship to capture this

15:35:56 <bblfish> but you need a more specific relationship that rdfs:member because rdf:member is not precise enough to suggest a containership relation

Henry Story: but you need a more specific relationship that rdfs:member because rdf:member is not precise enough to suggest a containership relation

15:36:11 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

15:36:35 <bblfish> My argument was here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Mar/0027.html

Henry Story: My argument was here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Mar/0027.html

15:37:25 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

15:39:08 <Ashok> Roger explains his usecases

Roger explains his usecases

15:39:40 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:39:49 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:40:41 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:40:47 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:41:02 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

15:41:40 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:41:54 <SteveS> right, I could see adding also <containerURL> a ldp:CompositeContainer triple as well

Steve Speicher: right, I could see adding also <containerURL> a ldp:CompositeContainer triple as well

15:43:05 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

15:43:40 <Ashok> q+

q+

15:44:42 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:44:57 <Ashok> Arnaud:  People are thinking by analogy with files and directories

Arnaud Le Hors: People are thinking by analogy with files and directories

<ashok> ... files typically don't have a link to the directory they are in. It's the same.

... files typically don't have a link to the directory they are in. It's the same.

15:45:09 <pchampin> @Arnaud in the example you mention, folders are aggregate :-)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: @Arnaud in the example you mention, directories are aggregate :-)

15:45:17 <Arnaud> ack ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok

15:45:20 <pchampin> s/folders/directories/
15:46:00 <Ashok> Roger:  We need to provide a way to indicate a back pointer

Roger Menday: We need to provide a way to indicate a back pointer

15:46:18 <Ashok> Arnaud:  The spec does not prohibit back pointers

Arnaud Le Hors: The spec does not prohibit back pointers

15:46:26 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:47:02 <roger> @ashok, I would just like to clarify that I don't see this as a back pointer :)

Roger Menday: @ashok, I would just like to clarify that I don't see this as a back pointer :)

15:47:09 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:47:16 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:47:56 <Ashok> Ashok:  So, it's not required but we need a standard mechanism to indicate it.  Is that correct?

Ashok Malhotra: So, it's not required but we need a standard mechanism to indicate it. Is that correct?

15:48:07 <bblfish> done

Henry Story: done

15:48:55 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

15:49:28 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

15:50:56 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Please send mail re. this issue

Arnaud Le Hors: Please send mail re. this issue

15:51:04 <bblfish> issue-45?

Henry Story: ISSUE-45?

15:51:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- POSTing to an LDPR appends content to the resource -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-45 -- POSTing to an LDPR appends content to the resource -- open

15:51:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/45

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/45

15:51:30 <Ashok> subTopic: ISSUE-45: POSTing to an LDPR appends content to the resource

5.4. ISSUE-45: POSTing to an LDPR appends content to the resource

15:52:36 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

15:52:53 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

15:52:55 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

15:53:04 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Explains issue.  Andy says we should do it.

Arnaud Le Hors: Explains issue. Andy says we should do it.

15:53:12 <bblfish> issue-33?

Henry Story: ISSUE-33?

15:53:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-33 -- Pagination for non-container resources -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-33 -- Pagination for non-container resources -- open

15:53:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/33

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/33

15:53:24 <TallTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:53:31 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:53:52 <Ashok> Roger:  This is related to ISSUE-33

Roger Menday: This is related to ISSUE-33

<ashok> ... if we let people add triples to a resource using POST we will need pagination to deal with resources with possibly 1000s of triples

... if we let people add triples to a resource using POST we will need pagination to deal with resources with possibly 1000s of triples

<ashok> Arnaud: that's not new though, you can already create a resource with 1000s of triples

Arnaud Le Hors: that's not new though, you can already create a resource with 1000s of triples

15:54:04 <bblfish> agree with Arnaud

Henry Story: agree with Arnaud

15:54:24 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:55:13 <Ashok> SteveS:  Seems reasonable but need to clarify our PATCH model

Steve Speicher: Seems reasonable but need to clarify our PATCH model

15:55:18 <Arnaud> ack tallted

Arnaud Le Hors: ack tallted

15:55:37 <Ashok> ... let of implementations work like

... let of implementations work like

15:55:53 <Ashok> Ted:  It is not an append by default

Ted Thibodeau: It is not an append by default

15:56:07 <Ashok> ... it can do a lot of different things

... it can do a lot of different things

15:56:13 <svillata> q?

Serena Villata: q?

15:56:15 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:56:33 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:56:35 <Ashok> Arnaud:  The spec does not say anything.  We could just leave it to the server

Arnaud Le Hors: The spec does not say anything. We could just leave it to the server

15:57:00 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:57:11 <SteveS> +1 to what Ted says, if we have PATCH-add…then we probably don't need to have another way such as POST-add

Steve Speicher: +1 to what Ted says, if we have PATCH-add…then we probably don't need to have another way such as POST-add

15:58:01 <TallTed> append is an *option* in HTTP spec; append is neither default nor only effect of POST

Ted Thibodeau: append is an *option* in HTTP spec; append is neither default nor only effect of POST

15:58:58 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We have an open issue on PATCH ... perhaps leave this open for now

Arnaud Le Hors: We have an open issue on PATCH ... perhaps leave this open for now

15:58:59 <pchampin> @TallTed +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: @TallTed +1

15:59:18 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:59:41 <bblfish> thanks all!

Henry Story: thanks all!

15:59:59 <Ashok> MEETING ADJOURNED

MEETING ADJOURNED

16:00:02 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

16:00:03 <SteveS> +1 to no other business ;)

Steve Speicher: +1 to no other business ;)

16:00:04 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

16:00:06 <Zakim> -cody

Zakim IRC Bot: -cody

16:00:07 <Zakim> -??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P18

16:00:07 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

16:00:08 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

16:00:09 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

16:00:09 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata



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