Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 September 2012

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Andy Seaborne, Armin Haller, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Henry Story, Jacek Kopecky, John Arwe, Kalpa Gunaratna, Olivier Berger, Roger Menday, Ruben Verborgh, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yrjana Rankka, Yves Lafon
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of last meeting approved link
  2. use ldp for namespace name link
Topics
13:58:21 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/24-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/24-ldp-irc

13:58:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

13:58:23 <sandro> trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.

Sandro Hawke: trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.

13:58:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

13:58:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

13:58:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:26 <trackbot> Date: 24 September 2012
13:58:26 <trackbot> Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, sandro, I don't understand 'trackbot, you have the worst parser I have ever seen.'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

13:58:27 <Zakim> +stevebattle

Zakim IRC Bot: +stevebattle

13:58:37 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

13:58:41 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

13:58:43 <sandro> Zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is on the call?

13:58:47 <Zakim> +Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben

13:58:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben

13:58:51 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

13:58:53 <Ruben> zakim, mute me

Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me

13:58:55 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted

13:59:22 <svillata> zakim, ??P4 is me

Serena Villata: zakim, ??P4 is me

13:59:22 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

13:59:54 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:00:02 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:00:31 <Zakim> + +61.4.331.2.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +61.4.331.2.aaaa

14:00:43 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

14:00:51 <Zakim> +dret

Zakim IRC Bot: +dret

14:00:58 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

14:01:00 <ahaller2> zakim,+61.4.331.2.aaaa is me

Armin Haller: zakim,+61.4.331.2.aaaa is me

14:01:00 <Zakim> +ahaller2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ahaller2; got it

14:01:05 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:01:10 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

14:01:11 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:01:12 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

14:01:13 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:01:13 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

14:01:21 <AndyS> zakim, ??P19 is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, ??P19 is me

14:01:21 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:01:29 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

14:01:46 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?

Henry Story: zakim, who is here?

14:01:47 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

14:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, ??P17, MacTed (muted), AndyS, [IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, ??P17, MacTed (muted), AndyS, [IBM]

14:01:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see jkopecky, bblfish, dret, Ruben, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, ahaller2, domel, svillata, AndyS, betehess, MacTed, stevebattle, nandana, oberger,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jkopecky, bblfish, dret, Ruben, Zakim, RRSAgent, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, ahaller2, domel, svillata, AndyS, betehess, MacTed, stevebattle, nandana, oberger,

14:01:47 <Zakim> ... cgueret, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... cgueret, ericP, trackbot, Yves, sandro

14:01:50 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:01:51 <oberger> zakim, ??P17 is me

Olivier Berger: zakim, ??P17 is me

14:01:53 <Zakim> +oberger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oberger; got it

14:02:18 <oberger> hi Arnaud

Olivier Berger: hi Arnaud

14:02:23 <Zakim> +??P22

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22

14:02:38 <jkopecky> zakim, ??P22 is me

Jacek Kopecky: zakim, ??P22 is me

14:02:38 <Zakim> +jkopecky; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jkopecky; got it

14:03:22 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aabb

14:03:37 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe

14:03:44 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

14:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, oberger, MacTed (muted), AndyS, SteveS, jkopecky,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben (muted), svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, ahaller2, bblfish, dret, oberger, MacTed (muted), AndyS, SteveS, jkopecky,

14:03:47 <Zakim> ... +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe

14:04:48 <Ashok_Malhotra> scribenick:  Ashok_Malhotra

(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)

14:04:52 <sandro> zakim, aabb is RogerMenday

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is RogerMenday

14:04:52 <Zakim> +RogerMenday; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +RogerMenday; got it

14:04:53 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

14:05:09 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Admin

1. Admin

14:05:17 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:05:37 <Ashok_Malhotra> Minutes of last meeting:  http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-09-17

Minutes of last meeting: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-09-17

14:05:44 <SteveS> +1 Sept 17 minutes

Steve Speicher: +1 Sept 17 minutes

14:06:07 <Ashok_Malhotra> RESOLUTION:  Minutes of last meeting approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of last meeting approved

14:06:13 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:06:22 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Next meeting Oct 1

Arnaud Le Hors: Next meeting Oct 1

14:06:43 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  f2f

2. f2f

14:06:45 <bblfish> q+ for TPAC

Henry Story: q+ for TPAC

14:06:54 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Please register for TPAC

Arnaud Le Hors: Please register for TPAC

14:07:24 <roger> I plan to come to the F2F (RogerMenday) on the Thursday, but unfortunately not the Friday.

Roger Menday: I plan to come to the F2F (RogerMenday) on the Thursday, but unfortunately not the Friday.

14:08:03 <Ashok_Malhotra> Sandro: 16 people registerede now ... I will ask for a larger room

Sandro Hawke: 16 people registered now ... I will ask for a larger room

14:08:17 <bblfish> that's bad interface on the html page (sometimes you cannot uncheck some buttons)

Henry Story: that's bad interface on the html page (sometimes you cannot uncheck some buttons)

14:08:39 <Ashok_Malhotra> s/registerede/registered/
14:08:53 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb

Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb

14:08:54 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:09:22 <Ashok_Malhotra> Henry:  I put a session together for Wed that should interest folks

Henry Story: I put a session together for Wed that should interest folks

14:09:33 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:09:33 <Zakim> bblfish, you wanted to discuss TPAC

Zakim IRC Bot: bblfish, you wanted to discuss TPAC

14:09:57 <bblfish> rww & webid community Monday, Tuesday.

Henry Story: rww & webid community Monday, Tuesday.

14:11:13 <Zakim> + +1.937.279.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.279.aacc

14:11:17 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:11:50 <kalpa> zakim, aacc is me

Kalpa Gunaratna: zakim, aacc is me

14:11:50 <Zakim> +kalpa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kalpa; got it

14:12:06 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  There are a lot of meetings at TPAC so folks will have conflicts

Arnaud Le Hors: There are a lot of meetings at TPAC so folks will have conflicts

14:12:23 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice]

14:12:34 <Ashok_Malhotra> ... perhaps reserve a slot at LDP meeting

... perhaps reserve a slot at LDP meeting

14:12:52 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:12:56 <Ashok_Malhotra> ... for WebID

... for WebID

14:13:32 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Open Actions

3. Open Actions

14:14:44 <Ashok_Malhotra> ACTION 10 is done ... close

ACTION-10 is done ... close

14:14:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 10

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - 10

14:15:04 <Ashok_Malhotra> Close ACTION-10

Close ACTION-10

14:15:05 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Convert member submission to Editor's Draft, with support of JohnArwe and mhausenblas closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-10 Convert member submission to Editor's Draft, with support of JohnArwe and mhausenblas closed

14:15:59 <Ashok_Malhotra> Close ACTION-12

Close ACTION-12

14:15:59 <trackbot> ACTION-12 Define Turtle as the required serialization format for LDP closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-12 Define Turtle as the required serialization format for LDP closed

14:16:03 <oberger> What's GSP ?

Olivier Berger: What's GSP ?

14:16:33 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39

14:16:34 <SteveS> GSP => Graph Store Protocol http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

Steve Speicher: GSP => Graph Store Protocol http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-http-rdf-update/

14:16:36 <sandro> GSP = SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Store Protocol

Sandro Hawke: GSP = SPARQL 1.1 HTTP Graph Store Protocol

14:16:47 <ghard> Zakim, ??P39 is ghard

Yrjana Rankka: Zakim, ??P39 is ghard

14:16:47 <Zakim> +ghard; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ghard; got it

14:16:50 <oberger> thx SteveS and sandro

Olivier Berger: thx SteveS and sandro

14:17:06 <ghard> Sorry I'm late.

Yrjana Rankka: Sorry I'm late.

14:17:10 <Ashok_Malhotra> Close ACTION-13

Close ACTION-13

14:17:10 <trackbot> ACTION-13 Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-13 Add topic on wiki on LDP vs GSP on home page closed

14:17:14 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29

14:17:15 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29 is the topic; I just updated the action with this link too

John Arwe: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page#Linked_Data_Platform_.28LDP.29_vs_SPARQL_Graph_Store_HTTP_Protocol_.28GSP.29 is the topic; I just updated the action with this link too

14:17:31 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Issues

4. Issues

14:18:57 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud explains issue process

Arnaud explains issue process

14:19:36 <bblfish> where is the URL for issue-2?

Henry Story: where is the URL for ISSUE-2?

14:19:45 <JohnArwe> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2

John Arwe: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/2

14:20:05 <Ashok_Malhotra> Andy: Issue-2 asks whether LDP will address versioning

Andy Seaborne: ISSUE-2 asks whether LDP will address versioning

14:20:11 <JohnArwe> (the agenda page has various links to the issues/actions lists)

John Arwe: (the agenda page has various links to the issues/actions lists)

14:20:45 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Keep it open

Arnaud Le Hors: Keep it open

14:20:49 <bblfish> +1 for use case

Henry Story: +1 for use case

14:21:03 <Ashok_Malhotra> Andy:  Need use cases and scenarios

Andy Seaborne: Need use cases and scenarios

14:21:29 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  Andy can you provide a usecase

Arnaud Le Hors: Andy can you provide a usecase

14:22:05 <Ashok_Malhotra> ACTION Andy to provide usecase for Issue-2

ACTION Andy to provide usecase for ISSUE-2

14:22:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Provide usecase for Issue-2 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-10-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-15 - Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-10-01].

14:22:16 <Ashok_Malhotra> Issue 2 is opened

ISSUE-2 is opened

14:22:26 <Ashok_Malhotra> Issue 3 is opened

ISSUE-3 is opened

14:25:24 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion on Issue 5

Discussion on ISSUE-5

14:25:43 <Ashok_Malhotra> Yves:  WG can decided to put explanatory text in Wiki

Yves Lafon: WG can decided to put explanatory text in Wiki

14:25:50 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+

14:25:55 <JohnArwe> positioning "feels" more like wiki content to me... GSP etc will evolve, moving targets, easier to update if outside of spec

John Arwe: positioning "feels" more like wiki content to me... GSP etc will evolve, moving targets, easier to update if outside of spec

14:26:20 <SteveS> agree with wiki or WG Note if it gets more content

Steve Speicher: agree with wiki or WG Note if it gets more content

14:26:38 <Ashok_Malhotra> Yves:  We can even add a pointer from the WG home page

Yves Lafon: We can even add a pointer from the WG home page

14:26:45 <JohnArwe> +1 having spec point to wiki for positioning

John Arwe: +1 having spec point to wiki for positioning

14:26:50 <Yves> FAQ entry

Yves Lafon: FAQ entry

14:27:01 <Ashok_Malhotra> q+

q+

14:27:46 <Arnaud> ack dret

Arnaud Le Hors: ack dret

14:27:48 <AndyS> ack dret

Andy Seaborne: ack dret

14:27:52 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:28:01 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:28:03 <dret> q-

Erik Wilde: q-

14:28:14 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+

14:28:27 <Arnaud> ack steve

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steve

14:28:44 <stevebattle> q-

Steve Battle: q-

14:28:49 <Ashok_Malhotra> Ashok:  We could ask Schema WG if they have any thoughts on this

Ashok Malhotra: We could ask Schema WG if they have any thoughts on this

14:29:12 <SteveS> +1 for moving ISSUE-6 to open, as was going to raise as well based on previous feedback/discussion with bblfish

Steve Speicher: +1 for moving ISSUE-6 to open, as was going to raise as well based on previous feedback/discussion with bblfish

14:29:22 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-xsch-datatypes/  (XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL)

Andy Seaborne: http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-xsch-datatypes/ (XML Schema Datatypes in RDF and OWL)

14:29:47 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion on linking emails to issues

Discussion on linking emails to issues

14:30:30 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:30:35 <Ashok_Malhotra> Yves:  The bot should take care of it

Yves Lafon: The bot should take care of it

14:30:53 <Ashok_Malhotra> Eric:  Should have issue in title

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Should have issue in title

14:31:58 <dret> q-

Erik Wilde: q-

14:32:07 <Ashok_Malhotra> Open Issue-6

Open ISSUE-6

14:32:12 <JohnArwe> NP keeping the issue open, not sure I'd read LDBP to prohibit the use of user-defined data types (as an extension).  I thought it said only define specs in terms of a relatively small set of types that "everyone" should be able to support using OTS parts.

John Arwe: NP keeping the issue open, not sure I'd read LDBP to prohibit the use of user-defined data types (as an extension). I thought it said only define specs in terms of a relatively small set of types that "everyone" should be able to support using OTS parts.

14:32:32 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:32:40 <JohnArwe> ... User-defined types could still be annotated through additional rdf:type predicates.

John Arwe: ... User-defined types could still be annotated through additional rdf:type predicates.

14:32:50 <Ashok_Malhotra> Topic:  Use Cases and Requirements

5. Use Cases and Requirements

14:33:41 <bblfish> Don't think you can use rdf:type for datatypes.

Henry Story: Don't think you can use rdf:type for datatypes.

14:33:51 <bblfish> A datatype is a function from a literal to a thing.

Henry Story: A datatype is a function from a literal to a thing.

14:34:06 <Ashok_Malhotra> SteveBattle:  Will add usecases in 2 weeks and create editors draft just ahead of the meeting

Steve Battle: Will add usecases in 2 weeks and create editors draft just ahead of the meeting

14:34:06 <bblfish>  xsd:Int("2") = 2

Henry Story: xsd:Int("2") = 2

14:34:16 <JohnArwe> ah ... "only" ... limiting, yes

John Arwe: ah ... "only" ... limiting, yes

14:34:59 <Ashok_Malhotra> ... and add any issues raised to tracker by Oct 8

... and add any issues raised to tracker by Oct 8

14:35:04 <bblfish>  xsd:hexBinary("ad3") = xsd:int("2771") = 2771

Henry Story: xsd:hexBinary("ad3") = xsd:int("2771") = 2771

14:35:22 <bblfish> that would be completely different from saying "ad3" is a HexBinary.

Henry Story: that would be completely different from saying "ad3" is a HexBinary.

14:36:34 <JohnArwe> @bblfish: parse error ;-)

John Arwe: @bblfish: parse error ;-)

14:37:03 <bblfish> using the usual functional notation

Henry Story: using the usual functional notation

14:37:10 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion on coordination between editors on Usecases document

Discussion on coordination between editors on Usecases document

14:37:44 <bblfish> "ad3"^^xsd:hexBinary  is a function from strings to ( heu, binaries not numbers, so true my above example was wrong )

Henry Story: "ad3"^^xsd:hexBinary is a function from strings to ( heu, binaries not numbers, so true my above example was wrong )

14:37:57 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

<Ashok_Malhotra> Topic: Namespace and shortname to be used in spec

6. Namespace and shortname to be used in spec

14:38:39 <oberger> +1 for shortname 'ldbp'

Olivier Berger: +1 for shortname 'ldbp'

14:38:59 <sandro> no required connection between specs and namespaces.

Sandro Hawke: no required connection between specs and namespaces.

14:39:13 <bblfish> you need a name for the ontology too right?

Henry Story: you need a name for the ontology too right?

14:39:14 <Yves>  use http://www.w3.org/2012/09/<cute name> until is stabilize

Yves Lafon: use http://www.w3.org/2012/09/<cute name> until is stabilize

14:39:28 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp

14:39:57 <Ashok_Malhotra> Discussion of document URIs

Discussion of document URIs

14:40:05 <oberger> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldbp ?

Olivier Berger: http://www.w3.org/ns/ldbp ?

14:40:44 <SteveS> +1 to going with /ns/ now with appropriate "draft" disclaimer

Steve Speicher: +1 to going with /ns/ now with appropriate "draft" disclaimer

14:40:55 <AndyS> Have has a dated URI ever been updated? (successfully)

Andy Seaborne: Have has a dated URI ever been updated? (successfully)

14:41:14 <bblfish> It depends a bit how much you think it is going to change

Henry Story: It depends a bit how much you think it is going to change

14:41:50 <bblfish> can one have a redirect from one namespace to another?

Henry Story: can one have a redirect from one namespace to another?

14:42:12 <stevebattle> I prefer LDP over LDBP.

Steve Battle: I prefer LDP over LDBP.

14:42:16 <dret> nope, renaming them does not exist as a concept.

Erik Wilde: nope, renaming them does not exist as a concept.

14:42:32 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to LDP

+1 to LDP

14:43:34 <bblfish> what's the b for?

Henry Story: what's the b for?

14:43:40 <bblfish> ah basic

Henry Story: ah basic

14:43:52 <bblfish> is this for the ontology btw?

Henry Story: is this for the ontology btw?

14:44:10 <SteveS> LDP => Linked Data Platform (our WG name), LDBP => Linked Data Basic Profile (member submission name)

Steve Speicher: LDP => Linked Data Platform (our WG name), LDBP => Linked Data Core Profile (member submission name)

14:44:13 <oberger> basic profile doesn't convey anything for me

Olivier Berger: basic profile doesn't convey anything for me

14:44:18 <ahaller2> +1 to LDP

Armin Haller: +1 to LDP

14:44:31 <svillata> +1 to LDP

Serena Villata: +1 to LDP

14:44:35 <oberger> user profile ?

Olivier Berger: user profile ?

14:45:01 <oberger> like BPR or BPC isn't easily identifiable to Linked Data Resource

Olivier Berger: like BPR or BPC isn't easily identifiable to Linked Data Resource

14:45:07 <dret> think arnaud is right: we might have more than one spec, so just "using up" our WG name may be a bit premature

Erik Wilde: think arnaud is right: we might have more than one spec, so just "using up" our WG name may be a bit premature

14:45:14 <MacTed> +1 LDP   if "basic" is needed we could go /ns/ldp-basic or /ns/ldp/basic or some such

Ted Thibodeau: +1 LDP if "basic" is needed we could go /ns/ldp-basic or /ns/ldp/basic or some such

14:46:30 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:46:55 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  People seem to favor LDP for shortname

Arnaud Le Hors: People seem to favor LDP for shortname

14:47:15 <bblfish> you could have ldp/basic

Henry Story: you could have ldp/basic

14:47:18 <bblfish> ldp/advanced

Henry Story: ldp/advanced

14:47:30 <bblfish> ldp/maddeninglyComplex

Henry Story: ldp/maddeninglyComplex

14:47:33 <oberger> Linux Documentation Project

Olivier Berger: Linux Documentation Project

14:47:35 <oberger> ;-)

Olivier Berger: ;-)

14:47:36 <bblfish> ldp/ont/

Henry Story: ldp/ont/

14:47:50 <ericP> don't forget about ETLAs

Eric Prud'hommeaux: don't forget about ETLAs

14:47:59 <sandro> The Linux Documentation Project

Sandro Hawke: The Linux Documentation Project

14:48:05 <bblfish> well ldp, is going to replace the Linux Documentation project ;-)

Henry Story: well ldp, is going to replace the Linux Documentation project ;-)

14:48:22 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: use ldp for namespace name

STRAWPOLL: use ldp for namespace name

14:48:24 <sandro> +1 ldp

Sandro Hawke: +1 ldp

14:48:28 <ericP> +1 to ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to ldp

14:48:29 <jkopecky> +1 LDP

Jacek Kopecky: +1 LDP

14:48:32 <stevebattle> +1 ldp

Steve Battle: +1 ldp

14:48:32 <oberger> so how do we name BPRs and BPCs ?

Olivier Berger: so how do we name BPRs and BPCs ?

14:48:34 <bblfish> Liberal Democrat Party

Henry Story: Liberal Democrat Party

14:48:39 <Yves> ~0

Yves Lafon: ~0

14:48:56 <dret> zero objections

Erik Wilde: zero objections

14:48:58 <bblfish> Lucky Duck Productions

Henry Story: Lucky Duck Productions

14:49:02 <SteveS> no objection

Steve Speicher: no objection

14:49:29 <sandro> +1 ns/ldp

Sandro Hawke: +1 ns/ldp

14:49:37 <Ashok_Malhotra> RESOLUTION: use ldp for namespace name

RESOLVED: use ldp for namespace name

14:49:40 <SteveS> jkopecky: not a bad suggestion

Jacek Kopecky: not a bad suggestion [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ]

14:49:48 <stevebattle>  "/ns/ldp/bpr" "/ns/ldp/bpc" ?

Steve Battle: "/ns/ldp/bpr" "/ns/ldp/bpc" ?

14:49:55 <JohnArwe> * too bad there's a D in there, LP would be great for the (Monty Python reference warning) Looney Party

John Arwe: * too bad there's a D in there, LP would be great for the (Monty Python reference warning) Looney Party

14:50:17 <jkopecky> (ldp) basic resource, (ldp) basic collection

Jacek Kopecky: (ldp) basic resource, (ldp) basic collection

14:50:26 <jkopecky> ldp/br ldp/bc

Jacek Kopecky: ldp/br ldp/bc

14:50:49 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:51:00 <oberger> LDBR and LDBC

Olivier Berger: LDBR and LDBC

14:51:08 <oberger> (container / collection ?)

Olivier Berger: (container / collection ?)

14:51:29 <oberger> s/Basic/Core/ ?
14:52:10 <SteveS> oberger and jkopecky I have opinions and some history why things like container were used, trying to listen to discussion though

Steve Speicher: oberger and jkopecky I have opinions and some history why things like container were used, trying to listen to discussion though

14:52:44 <bblfish> I think for the ontology it makes sense to have a stable namespace

Henry Story: I think for the ontology it makes sense to have a stable namespace

14:52:56 <stevebattle> +1 undated /ns/

Steve Battle: +1 undated /ns/

14:53:36 <sandro> Arnaud: If anyone supports using a dated URL for development, please speak up and argue for it....

Arnaud Le Hors: If anyone supports using a dated URL for development, please speak up and argue for it.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:54:00 <JohnArwe> aside from adding a dollop of work on all document owners (editor of specs, test cases) to make One More Change at some future date, what's the Advantage of changing dated ns's?

John Arwe: aside from adding a dollop of work on all document owners (editor of specs, test cases) to make One More Change at some future date, what's the Advantage of changing dated ns's?

14:54:06 <Ashok_Malhotra> Eric:  Re. document URIs ... we don't yet know how the material will be factored out

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Re. document URIs ... we don't yet know how the material will be factored out

14:55:03 <sandro> sandro: I think it's okay to use LDP for now and if we change our mind later on, that's okay.   Leave /ns/ldp as *unused* if we are done with it.

Sandro Hawke: I think it's okay to use LDP for now and if we change our mind later on, that's okay. Leave /ns/ldp as *unused* if we are done with it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:55:05 <oberger> is anyone implementing really ?

Olivier Berger: is anyone implementing really ?

14:55:13 <MacTed> real placeholders should be example.com/ns/...

Ted Thibodeau: real placeholders should be example.com/ns/...

14:56:41 <oberger> \o/

Olivier Berger: \o/

14:56:53 <bblfish> the WebID cert ontology is in ns http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert#

Henry Story: the WebID cert ontology is in ns http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert#

14:57:06 <bblfish> and we chnaged it a bit - removing some terms, adding others

Henry Story: and we chnaged it a bit - removing some terms, adding others

14:57:21 <SteveS> +1 for /ns/ldp/

Steve Speicher: +1 for /ns/ldp/

14:57:33 <sandro> action: eric to confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason.

ACTION: eric to confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason.

14:57:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-10-01].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-10-01].

14:57:56 <stevebattle> I note that Eric's recent issue-6 test email has not been added as a related email yet.

Steve Battle: I note that Eric's recent ISSUE-6 test email has not been added as a related email yet.

14:58:32 <Ashok_Malhotra> Arnaud:  AOB?

Arnaud Le Hors: AOB?

14:58:34 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:58:48 <Ashok_Malhotra> MEETING ADJOURNED

MEETING ADJOURNED

14:58:50 <ghard> Cheers

Yrjana Rankka: Cheers

14:58:59 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

14:59:01 <Zakim> -RogerMenday

Zakim IRC Bot: -RogerMenday

14:59:04 <dret> thanks ashok, thanks arnaud!

Erik Wilde: thanks ashok, thanks arnaud!

14:59:06 <Zakim> -Ruben

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben

14:59:10 <Zakim> -kalpa

Zakim IRC Bot: -kalpa

14:59:12 <Zakim> -dret

Zakim IRC Bot: -dret

14:59:15 <oberger> bye all

Olivier Berger: bye all

14:59:17 <Zakim> -ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: -ghard

14:59:19 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:59:20 <Zakim> -stevebattle

Zakim IRC Bot: -stevebattle

14:59:20 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

14:59:21 <Zakim> -MacTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed

14:59:23 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:59:25 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:59:27 <Zakim> -jkopecky

Zakim IRC Bot: -jkopecky

14:59:29 <Zakim> -Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves

14:59:31 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:59:33 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:59:35 <Zakim> -ahaller2

Zakim IRC Bot: -ahaller2

14:59:37 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

14:59:43 <Zakim> -oberger

Zakim IRC Bot: -oberger

14:59:49 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

14:59:51 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

14:59:53 <Zakim> Attendees were stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, bblfish, dret, ahaller2, MacTed, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, jkopecky, +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were stevebattle, Sandro, Arnaud, Ruben, svillata, Ashok_Malhotra, ericP, bblfish, dret, ahaller2, MacTed, AndyS, SteveS, oberger, jkopecky, +44.208.573.aabb, JohnArwe,

14:59:56 <Zakim> ... RogerMenday, Yves, +1.937.279.aacc, kalpa, ghard

Zakim IRC Bot: ... RogerMenday, Yves, +1.937.279.aacc, kalpa, ghard



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