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<trackbot> Date: 06 December 2012
<scribe> ScribeNick: adrianba
<scribe> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
ACTION-223?
<trackbot> ACTION-223 -- Paul Cotton to figure out how extension specs can refer to HTML 5.1 -- due 2012-11-08 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/223
paulc: i put this off last week
to remind myself of the context
... we decided during the media call on tuesday that this was
unnecessary
... so i closed the action and don't expect further action is
needed
paulc: none
... tracker requests being postponed
paulc: the drafts are being
worked on
... believe this is still a work in progress
Eliot, not done yet but expecting robin will finish today
paulc: as soon as the drafts are
ready, we will do a 7 day CfC
... with goal of publishing on dec 17
... questions?
paulc: we have a candidate CR
working draft
... did a call for rationale statements since CfC did not
pass
... manu has provided statements against CR
... believe we have pro position from Mike Smith
... some other pro statements on the list
... original plan was to do preference poll with these
statements
... chairs wondering if are ready for this
<hober> ack
hober: i posted to the list volunteering for this
<paulc> Ted's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0041.html
paulc: i missed that, sorry
... how long will it take to close this
hober: i said by end of business tomorrow - i imagine it collating the existing statements rather than new writing
paulc: great, that's what i was
hoping for
... anticipate preference poll going out when ted finishes his
work
paulc: here we don't yet have a
candidate CR draft
... asked editors to provide with exit criteria
... other item pending waiting for a pro statement for
publishing this or making it normative
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/0003.html
paulc: Eliot do you know what the situation for exit criteria is?
Eliot: based on discussion with
the chairs i thought i didn't need to do this until it was
decided if this would go to Rec
... started working on this and might have it soon
<gitbot> 01[13html01] 15darobin pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/df69216520fc4c15df069a63e842e78302a495b0
<gitbot> 13html/06master 14df69216 15Robin Berjon: boilerplate level 2 and nightly
paulc: that's fine - good to do
it soon if you can
... wanted to point WG members to the TAG discussion about
retaining the original request for polyglot document or not
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Nov/0047.html
<gitbot> 01[13html01] 15darobin pushed 1 new commit to 06FPWD51: 02https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/6306692cbe44b0f38676a773785e45b679de4cbb
<gitbot> 13html/06FPWD51 146306692 15Robin Berjon: level 2 and 5.1 with a space
paulc: believe TAG is meeting
yesterday or today
... thread is continuing
<paulc> Recent TAG discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Dec/0034.html
paulc: eliot, i note that larry has asked for you to be engaged in the discussion
Eliot: i sent mail to Noah to see
what he thought would be appropriate
... willing to engage as needed
paulc: two items to worry about -
normativity of document and moving to CR
... yours is about Rec track, adrianba?
adrianba: yes, but i included a note on normative
paulc: we can hold this for a
week or so to see how the TAG closes this down
... i will track this and will try to get preference poll out
once we have appropriate evidence
... comments?
paulc: do have canidate CR draft
but need exit criteria
... currently pending work by a11y TF
... plan 2014 pointed to some work that TF had done
... discussed on TF meeting this morning
... janina, can you give us an update?
janina: the outcome of today's
discussion was to ask that publication of this be deferred
while we resolve issues about alt in this document and the html
spec
... we will do a CfC based on the telcon
... expect that we will ask this to be deferred
paulc: one item was that the
chairs had encouraged TF to work with editors to get
differences resolved
... but we didn't know the status on the TF this morning
... wanted to get status from robin or the other editors
... moving this forward to CR is on hold for now waiting for
pending work
... people probably think we don't need a spec overlapping
html5 normative language
... janina, do you agree?
janina: think so
paulc: CfC passed
... provisional date is dec 17
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0147.html
paulc: this is a request to publish as FPWD - waiting for feedback on whether ready for CfC
janina: i missed the meetings
about this so didn't follow up
... PF did approve but didn't follow-up
... no reason why we can't do CfC
paulc: plan is to do CfC for
publishing of FPWD of using ARIA in HTML
... will work with janina on this
... both in task force and working group simultaneously
janina: and in PF
<Zakim> plh, you wanted to go back to html5.1 and canvas2d.next
plh: i believe that robin is ready (and he is on the phone)
paulc: can we get the URLs of the stable docs in IRC
plh: yes
<darobin> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/
<plh> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/Overview.html
<plh> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/FPWD51/Overview.html
<plh> Robin, please type in here
<darobin> it looks like it isn't working
<darobin> I'll type
<darobin> those drafts should be okay
<darobin> (not sure if I need to add more)
<darobin> please check that they're correct
paulc: we need to do a separate CfC on publication of these drafts, correct?
plh: correct
paulc: would like to do this
today so we can hit dec 17
... think will do two separate CfCs
<darobin> we need to pick a shortname for canvas2d2
<darobin> this can be done outside the call, by executive decision
<plh> "2dcontext-2" ?
paulc: chairs and team will
figure out short name
... every working draft has a short name
... plh, for these FPWD does this request have to go to chairs
list?
<glenn> c2d
plh: yes, it's FPWD, no directors request just sent to chairs list
paulc: did this happen for main element?
plh: no, not yet
paulc: okay, this needs to happen too
<paulc> 1. Chairs message on main element to chairs@w3.org
<paulc> 2. Chairs messgae on HTML5.1 and Canvas2D-2 to Chairs@w3.org
<paulc> 3. Cfc on FPWD of HTML 5.1
<paulc> 4. CfC on FPWD of Canvas2D-2
paulc: is this correct?
<paulc> 5. CfC on FPWD of ARIA in HTML (also in PF and A11Y TF)
<paulc> 6. Chairs message on FPWD of ARIA in HTML to chairs@w3.org
paulc: think this is all the publication things?
plh: what is the minimum duration for canvas2d in CR?
paulc: don't know
<jaymunro> moving to 6mong
plh: was a discussion after CfC
about reducing duration
... think it was only 6 months
... not sure if acknowledged anywhere
paulc: was this in the archive?
plh: yes but i'm looking for the conclusion of the discussion
paulc: last week's minutes say we
had no objections and request to reduce duration of CR
... and were expecting decision by next week
<jaymunro> I'll change the boilerplate once the decision has been made for shortening to 6 months.
plh: last week sam said decision would be made by this week - are you asking for a CfC now?
paulc: plh, what is your recommendation?
plh: one way to go is to see what
people on this call think
... say it will be 6 months unless someone says something on
the list within one week
<paulc> From Rik: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Nov/0212.html
paulc: will reply to the thread stating it will be 6 months unless someone objects by some date
<paulc> 7. Chairs to confirm with WG that min duration for Canvas CR will be 6 months
paulc: plh, anything else?
plh: no, sorry for disturbing the agenda
krisk: we met on nov 20
... and we met on tuesday
<krisk> Notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Dec/0001.html
<krisk> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Dec/0002.html
krisk: here are the notes
... one thing we agreed is moving towards short names for test
organisation
... this came up a little a tpac
... 1. this means we don't need metadata in every test
... 2. it will help understand coverage of tests
... we spent one meeting for 90 minutes - longer than
usual
... and this week the full hour
... discussing how to use mercurial better
... using pull model instead of pushing things in
... meeting again to make progress on this
... more participation
... that's it
paulc: any questions?
... krisk, can you give us the most definitive link to work on
task force?
krisk: the meeting notes are the best links
paulc: thanks kris
janina: activity is picking up
again with reorg that came with plan 2014
... people getting clarity of who is doing which piece
<krisk> This is the best link for Testing Task Force Information http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
janina: had CfC for longdesc spec
that restore old historical one
... mostly supportive but some objections
... will summarise and respond to all objections before passing
to WG
... that work is ongoing
... already talked about alt text issues a few minutes ago -
nothing to add
... bug triage team continues to meet
... i'm paying more attention to a11y api mapping subteam
... deliverable for HTML WG to show how html elements and
attributes should map to OS apis
... important deliverable - difficult to find a meeting time
because of location of participants
... that's where we are
paulc: we restarted the
meetings
... high level report is driving the MSE and EME sub groups to
get a document in front of WG that could be FPWD as soon as
possible
... MSE met on tuesday, EME met next tuesday
... for MSE identified 5 or 6 bugs that need to be fixed before
FPWD
... won't go to zero bugs but should be enough for FPWD
... hoping to achieve the same for EME next week
... expecting to be ready for CfC for FPWD in January
... talked about a11y TF paying more attention to media TF
paulc: update on
public-html-admin
... list is set-up and is being used for non-technical
discussions
... next item is to get new bugzilla message to go to this
list
... all new CfC discussed today will also go to that list
... leaving public-html for pure technical discussion
glenn: i would advise that bugzilla messages go to separate list than admin
paulc: there is a list for this
already - WG has previous decision in place asking for new
messages only to public-html
... changing the destination but maintaining that there is a
list everyone is subscribed to that gets the new messages
glenn: then i withdraw my comment
paulc: appears to be a request
with no responses about publishing their document via the HTML
WG
... added to the agenda because not sure how to process
this
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Nov/0173.html
paulc: plh, i wasn't sure how to
respond to this - nobody has responded
... CG has asked about publishing use cases
plh: seems to me good to publish use cases as WG note
adrianba: haven't had time to respond but we are supportive of moving this forward in HTML WG based on great work in the CG
paulc: so you support publishing both?
adrianba: yes
paulc: this was discussed at TPAC - was the the conclusion to move forward with both specs
hober: that's how i remember it
paulc: are you ready to publish or do you want to process bugs?
hober: i haven't asked for fpwd
because i want to process bugs
... expect to be ready in early january
plh: is the intent to pick a winner down the road or do we see both going to rec
hober: think given the timeframe
for plan 2014 we have a pretty good window of time to figure
this out so i'm okay with uncertainty
... that said, would be easy to merge srcset document
plh: i was thinking about merging
the two proposals for responsive images
... think it would be good in status of documents to give
information about expectation of the group
... because people might wonder about publishing two competing
specs
hober: happy to update status in that way
paulc: i will respond to the msg
173 saying editor of srcset extension proposal has asked for
time to process bugs
... and expect to process CfC on theses docs in early 2013
hober: sounds good
paulc: will move this to admin list
hober: given it is december, expect people will accept early 2013 timeframe
paulc: any other business?
paulc: expect mjs will chair next
week
... any volunteer to scribe?
plh: i can take notes next week
paulc: thanks plh
paulc: meeting is adjourned
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