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waiting for people to come ...
basis for discussion is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0186.html
dave: yves' points are
... there is no way of writing a global pointer rule which is aware of values in the xliff
... even if we could figure out the xpath, you would need something in the rule to filter out things in the phase group that did not map to "revision"
... because you cannot differentiate phase groups in the way needed
... this topic, plus toolsRef issues
... plus if you want to do mapping between phase group and rules, you need more than pointer rules
... I'd say let's get rid of pointer rules
... appart of standoff pointers
everything else would be deleted. That is: "personPointer, personRefPointer, orgPointer, orgRefPointer, toolPointer, toolRefPointer, revPersonPointer, revPersonRefPointer, revOrgPointer, revOrgRefPointer, revToolPointer, revToolRefPointer and provRefPointer"
<scribe> ACTION: jirka to take http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-irc#T13-11-02 for the ITS 2.0 schema into account [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-325 - Take http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-irc#T13-11-02 for the ITS 2.0 schema into account [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-12-04].
<pnietoca> sorry i'm late
drop relax ng namespace, not used in the spec
added html namespace
dropping complete section
"The concept of a data category is independent of its implementation in an XML environment" > The concept of a data category is independent of its implementation in an XML and HTML environment"
"parts of an XML document " > "parts of an XML or HTML document"
"Selection relies on the information that is given in the XML Information Set [XML Infoset]. ITS applications MAY implement inclusion mechanisms such as XInclude or DITA's [DITA 1.0] conref."
drop the paragraph
<scribe> ACTION: felix to update list or IRI attributes at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#iri-usage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-326 - Update list or IRI attributes at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#iri-usage [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-04].
action-326: not needed, handled during editing call
<trackbot> ACTION-326 Update list or IRI attributes at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#iri-usage notes added
<trackbot> ACTION-326 Update list or IRI attributes at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#iri-usage closed
<scribe> dropped attribute list, reffering now only to RELAX NG schema and the anyURI data types
make sure that everything will say "HTML" or "HTML5"?
jirka: w3c working group said
they will use html versioning
... to avoid perception that ITS cannot be applied to HTML6
david: future proof is good
... but it is not valid HTML4
... you could say "HTML5 and higher"
karl: could say HTML and in an introduction we say "HTML is defined by HTML5 or its successor"
added a subsection in the terminology section, see www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html##def-html
"[Ed. note: Below statement about schemas is wrong if the ITS schemas will be normative.]": deleting note
"[Ed. note: All traces of HTML has to be removed if we will proceed with CT 3 and HTML+ITS CC.]": note from Jirka
everyone is happy with separate html confirmance type, so can remove note
deleting all traces of HTML and HTML5 in this section, since there is now a separate conformacne type for html5
discussed "processing expecations" vs "processing requirements", might change terminology (not normative def) during last call
<scribe> ACTION: Jirka to go through document and replace HTML5 > HTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-327 - Go through document and replace HTML5 > HTML [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-12-04].
discussion on "standoff markup", related to "location", but somehow different, not added here
delete ruby mentions throughout section 5.2
"The content model of span permits arbitrary nesting of ruby markup, since the rt element can contain span. An application of ruby, however, MUST not use such arbitrary nesting.": deleted, ruby not needed here
"The following attributes point to existing information:": deleted pointer attributes not needed anymore
scribe: after the "pointer in provenacne" discussion today
"5.3.3 CSS Selectors"
"5.3.4 Additional query languages"
"5.3.5 Variables in selectors"
<scribe> ACTION: felix to create example with rules element in sec. 5.4 - due 15 december [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-328 - create example with rules element in sec. 5.4 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-15].
"Implicit Local selection in documents" > not inherited local selection is meant?
"Implicit Local selection in documents" > Selection via local ITS markup in documents
"Implicit Local selection in documents" > Selection via explicit (that is not inherited) local ITS markup in documents
keep as is, may clarify during LC phase
<pnietoca> the same happens in point 7.5
<pnietoca> so if you're going to change it you have to change both
tx, pnietoca, will take that into account during LC too
<pnietoca> sorry folks I have to leave, besides my microphone it's not working I don't know why!, I'm trying to speak but I can't
<pnietoca> I hope to have it fixed next time
sure, thanks for being here, pnietoca!
<pnietoca> anyway I 'll send a number of misprints and other things I noticed during the revision
<pnietoca> to the list
<pnietoca> cheers, bye!
discussing position of sec 7 "Using ITS Markup in HTML5"
<daveL> suggest text for last note in 5.5, change "and these are overridden via local markup." to "which are in turn overridden by local markup"
sec 7 "Using ITS Markup in HTML5" is now sec 6, old sec 6 is sec 7
sec 8 about xhtml now also moved, is new sec 7, old sec 6 is sec 8
remove mentions of ontology
1 hour break
<Yves_> Sorry: i wasn't able to do diddly-squat on updating the provenance section
dave, felix - need a running list of all the MUST statements and make sure that we have a test
"The data category identifier MUST be one of the following identifiers" example of a statement that needs testing to
<scribe> ACTION: felix to come up with running list of MUST statements for testing - due december 15 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-329 - come up with running list of MUST statements for testing [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-15].
<scribe> ACTION: felix to move data category identifiers to table in 8.1 Position, Defaults, Inheritance and Overriding of Data Categories [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-330 - Move data category identifiers to table in 8.1 Position, Defaults, Inheritance and Overriding of Data Categories [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-04].
replacing lq-issues with lq-issue in identifer list
"Inline global rules MUST be specified inside script which has type attribute with the value application/xml or application/its+xml. "
in 6.3 Inline Global Rules in HTML5
"with the value application/xml or application/its+xml." > "with the value application/its+xml."
"The script element itself MUST be child of head element." > "The script element itself SHOULD be child of head element."
6.4 Standoff Markup in HTML5
"In HTML5 the standoff markup MUST be stored
inside a script element with its id attribute that MUST be set
to the same value as the xml:id attribute of the
provenanceRecords element it contains." > "In HTML5 the
standoff markup MUST be stored inside a script element. It MUST
have a type attribute with the value application/its+xml. Its
id attribute that MUST be set to the same value as the...
...xml: id attribute of the provenanceRecords element it contains."
same change for lq issue
"6.5 Precedence between Selections"
"Note: If identical selections are defined in different rules elements within one document, the selection defined by the last takes precedence.": removing the note in sec. 5.5 Precedence between Selections
same for 6.5 Precedence between Selections
added note from XML section 5.5 "ITS does not define precedence related to rules defined or linked based on non-ITS mechanisms (such as processing instructions for linking rules)." to HTML section 6.5
"7 Using ITS Markup in XHTML"
<scribe> ACTION: karl to create xhtml example for 7 Using ITS Markup in XHTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/11/27-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-331 - Create xhtml example for 7 Using ITS Markup in XHTML [on Karl Fritsche - due 2012-12-04].
karl could do wed, felix not wed, but thur
dave from 1-3 p.m. utc
and wed too
yves better on wed
felix on thur 2 p.m. utc - later
yves: will modify proveance ot remove pointers
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