See also: IRC log
<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization_Symposium_draft_page#Call_for_Papers_2
shawn: edits have been received from Shadi for main symposium page. The other co-chairs will have edits as well. The text has been put into the wiki from the main symposium page. There are 2 sections TCFR main page and 2nd second is call for papers
shadi: having problem with definition of the call
for papers
... very dependent on objectives and scope - which are part of the call
shawn: maybe not look at the first part as it was previously approved. Edits not yet integrated and chairs may have others. People should have already looked at it. Need to look at edits first
shadi: look at objectives. Pre-call is a placeholder, but we need to finalize the call and it would be useful to look at the objectives and scope as they are prt of the call for papers
shawn: has edits now that have not been integrated as of yesterday]
shadi: do you have questions about those comments
- may be other opinions
... look at the page shawn has put in irc and look at it from a scientific
perspective
... scope and objectives need to be looked at now
<shadi> [group reading material provided by Shawn until Simon and Markel join]
<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Text_Customization_Symposium_draft_page#Call_for_Papers_2
simon: thoughts?
justin: what about character sets - don't see anything about this.
shawn: it would be interesting to see how different character sets are recognized
justin: we've had some problems with the different character sets - trying to make it accessible and scalable - something to keep in mind
shawn: shall we craft a question later?
simon: more comments?
shawn: have received some comments from Shadi
that I haven't had a chance to integrate
... new comment at the top of the objectives - there had not been a lot of
research on this topic and that by having it as separate we could encourage
more research through this symposium. It may be too passive. Does it fit there,
or should it be refined?
shadi: from own perspective, feel the objectives
section needs more refining - some of the questions are very specific and
pre-determined in their outcomes, whle others like the first one are really
generic - more of a goal for the symposium
... call for papers - "we invite papers on..." very specific. Maybe a
sub-heading "for this symposium we invite papers on the following". Maybe
refine the questions more -make them less pointed
simon: comment?
... first line is more about the symposium - its more of a goal and could be
included in the goals rather than in the objectives
<shadi> +1
<giorgio> +1
simon: the call will be emailed etc.
shawn: call for papers page and then there's the email that goes out. It was intended to be the web page and all of those details aren't needed in the email. Review policy etc don't need to be in the email.
simon: copyright can point to the page, but the
review process should be known - encourages writers as they know about the
peer-review etc
... people know fromthe start that there is rigour in the paper review
process
vivienne: can you make the structure a little clearer in the objectives?
shadi: groups need a heading "we invite papers on", "additional materials required",. then questions are more illustrative. They would be some kind of section heading or theme
simon: anyone else?
shawn: will need to make some more changes and review draft - need 1 more review draft
simon: can you send it out to us?
shawn: today or at least this week
shadi: how many people are available to review by email?
<shawn> [ ftr, Peter reviewed it and added some feedback into the wiki that I incorporated]
simon: some people may not feel it needs more
refining. People who think of submitting would just get on with it and not
worry so much about the wording
... can we get it so that we can just send the review out this week, and then
next week agree and send it out
shawn: yes, we can get it done for next week
shadi: other prerequisites other than agreeing call for papers is the allocation of the other co-chairs we were working on last week
shawn: updates on co-chairs - 2 are confirmed
David Sloan, Kath Straub
... they both have strong research backgrounds and Kath has great usability
experience
shadi: Simon can agree to visitors to
teleconferences where the there are specific agenda items where needed
... if they want to join the group, they have to go through the correct
procedure
<klaus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_4_pre-call
klaus: draft to link to description to call for
papers
... focus would be more on the language use itself - separates text
customization from language use and uses challenging questions. Have a look at
the practice in translation of information into easy to read - but little about
methodology, guidelines and what is being done in practice
... additional question: models of easy to read in practice. Who performs the
task etc. There is other text coming from other colleagues and this will be
added. This is just a draft and Klaus would like input from the group. Asking
for feedback
simon: we focus on shawn's call for paper and we spend 5 minutes next week to approve. We'll add 30 minutes next time for the E2R and by that time Klaus and his colleages will have their input.
shadi: appreciate Klaus' work. Initial reaction -
seems very broad in scope. May need more structuring, particularly the
objectives section. You may need to group things a bit more e.g. user needs,
definition of rules, techniques. Maybe pose specific questions with other
grouped under it.
... where has the scientific committee come from?
klaus: it has been copied & pasted
shadi: needs to be worked out separately
... regarding the symposium chairs - maybe need to look at a native speaker?
On the user groups, people with cognitive problems - need to watch wording -
disabilities not problems
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say for E2R, Shawn will be on the Scientific Committee, but not Co-Chair :-) and to mention SC for one not the other
shawn: for the E2R I can be on the scientific
committee, won't be on the chair.
... reminder -drafted a page for an invitation to the scientific committee
<shadi> [I'm happy to be on the scientific committee, not a co-chair]
<shawn> Vivienne: not on SC for e2r
vivienne: please remove me from the scientific committee as I'm not qualified in this
klaus: thought the scientific committee was to be the same as we were thinking we may have to switch people to the other symposium. Do I need to write to them?
shawn: we had talked about that some time ago (1) invited people who are specifically interested in Text customization not easy to read (2) its up to the chairs regarding moving papers. People may not be interested in both topics.
shadi: last week we talked about that - suggested the chairs would need to be well-coordinated and the individual scientific committees will review and the chairs may recommend moving a paper from one topic to the other. The chairs should be in each other's scientific committee. There could be separate scientific committees.
<shawn> timelines http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline
simon: will send a new agendy with more detail on
E2R and please read the updated call for papers for Text Customization. If
you're going to object, then make sure you've sent notice to Shawn.
... we'll look at Klaus' update more then also. If anyone has idea to
participate in idea for topic 5&6.
... more business?
shadi: please give an action for people to review
both call for papers.
... simon, can you send out a clear message after the call - please review..
by... Maybe be a bit more demanding.
simon: I'll send out a note for people to look at both of these and will include the URL's.
shawn: timelines: we discussed moving the paper deadline later and Klaus seems to be in support of that. Text customization chairs agree with that. Will revise timelines again and have a later deadline.
<shadi> +1 to later deadline! thanks for the work to make this happen shawn and klaus
shadi: research report - for editors, need to approve changes to bring to the group.
<giorgio> +1
simon: editors - markel and giorgio - good with that
shadi: discuss it again next week - will send
message to group summarize changes that have been done. People will need to be
reminded to have a look at it and make sure changes are approved for
publication.
... please put it on the agenda