HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

26 Jul 2012

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Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, Judy_Brewer, Léonie_Watson, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Paul_Cotton, Steve_Faulkner, Cynthia_Shelly
Judy, MichaelC, janina


<trackbot> Date: 26 July 2012

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<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

<MichaelC> drop item 4

<MichaelC> drop item 5

Issue-206 Status

<MichaelC> drop item 7

<Judy> JS: Call for counter-proposals on 206 closes tomorrow. Some work in WHATWG on this, from Ted.

<Judy> JB: apparently changed it to a "may" provision

<Judy> JS: So we're just looking to see if a change proposal comes in

Issue-205 Status

<Judy> JS: There was a decision on 205. Potential concerns wrt factual content. Still under discussion as to whether will request reconsideration.

<Judy> ...requested an extension of response time till Aug 3rd. Granted.

Issue-204 Status

<Judy> JS: Anyone looked at latest postings on that thread?

<Judy> JF: Apparently trying to sort out details & typos in diff

<Judy> JS: looked at newer version of his cp?

Issue-201 Status

<Judy> JS: Rich, some discussion on that?

<Judy> RS: Asked Ted to include links to changes that were being proposed from before

<Judy> ...eventually got the details to look at

<Stevef> teds proposal http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Eoconnor/ISSUE-201

<Judy> ...in the details on hit regions, the fallback content limited to ~5 form regions, and that's it

<Judy> ... supported tab index

<Judy> ...the limitations in his cp are huge in terms of ability to support accessibility requirements

<Judy> ...dunno if he's seen the comments on that concern

<Judy> JS: intention or accidental exclusion?

<Judy> RS: unclear

<Judy> scribe: Judy

<Stevef> email from me on subject: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0203.html

RS: this tweak that they threw in breaks the accessibility support

<Stevef> email from rich: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0204.html

RS: and the limitation is just one of the problems

SF: [inaudible]
... this is deliberately defined in the WHATWG spec

RS: not the first time someone has tried to restrict ARIA use

JB: Get on phone with Ted and let him know he's missing key requirements?

PC: Weren't the action items coming out of that meeting on Rich, not on Ted and Frank?

RS: We didn't have the details of his approach at that time. Was not possible to identify the massive bug until he'd provided those details.

PC: Give him a chance to respond.

SF: will paste links to info

<Stevef> no ARIA custom control can be referenced from a hit region unless it is built on a small number of html elements as defined in the change proposal diff http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7028&to=7029

RS: that line just needs to be removed

<Stevef> email about text changes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0162.html

<paulc> Steve's email asks for review of further changes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0198.html

<Stevef> rich's original message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Jul/0084.html

<MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC

Issue-194 Status

js: survey closes today, no objections logged

added link to user requirements

in my comments; none other logged just yet

jf: can live with either of the proposals, but have a preference for one

pc: log an objection on the less preferred one, say it's a mild objection, and provide your rationale

Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings

lw: none from bug triage

<janina> Janina noting that Issue-194 survey ends at midnight Boston.

jb: text has no recent meetings, nothing else to report

sf: HTML API guide plugging away, but nothing major to report

wasn't initially included in recharter of HTML WG; asked for it to be added and it was

js: concerned too few people working on it

with too little representation from browser manufacturers, might not arrive at a mapping that works

need broader review

are we getting to a point to solicit that?

rs: no time to review

sf: have had ongoing review from a number of implementers

have asked in WhatWG circles, response was that they don't know about this stuff so they don't respond to it

am hearing from individuals working on implementation at various implementers, particularly Webkit and Mozilla

Microsoft has a couple people involved also

we do need to get input on the scope of the document

and work out what belongs in this doc, and what goes in the ARIA implementation guide

rs: think ARIA should go through Last Call

sf: no problem, just laying out the plan

involvement of more people slows down because of more review cycles

cs: completing the ARIA implementation guide should free up resources for this work

have some major time zone challenges for meetings

js: it is a substantial effort, appreciate it's coming together

Other Business

sf: meta generator has a change

js: discussed earlier in call, moved to MAY

expect to impact us only if a change proposal comes forward

jb: which we expect, but have to await

sf: best outcome would be that spec has stuff that conformance checker implementers would follow

cs: remember there are multiple conformance checkers

pc: note announcement of first batch of editors

<paulc> http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/07/html5_and_htmlnext.html

<janina> scribe: janina

Summary of Action Items

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