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Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

25 Jul 2012

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Attendees

Present
dcheng3, +1.858.780.aaaa, Josh_Soref, darobin, Giri_Mandyam, Jungkee, Dsr, Marcos, +1.781.266.aabb, Cathy, lgombos, +47.23.69.aacc, richt_, +25686aadd, Clarke, Milan_Patel, Jungkee_Song, Diana_Cheng, Robin_Berjon, Dave_Raggett
Regrets
Frederick, Niklas
Chair
Robin
Scribe
Josh_Soref

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 25 July 2012

<scribe> Scribe: Josh_Soref

<gmandyam> That is me - Giri Mandyam, Qualcomm Innovation Center

<Jungkee> ;)

Agenda

darobin: anything people want to add to the agenda?

[ None ]

<Jungkee> I have one

Jungkee: i updated the ED of Pick Media
... the major change in the update is the Media Dictionary for MetaData
... i xxx some url
... we can talk about the next step including fragments
... and talk to service providers, etc.

darobin: do you want to discuss this on the call?
... or relegate it to the list?

Jungkee: we'll need some time to review the updated documents
... maybe we can schedule some time for next week's call?

<darobin> proposed RESOLUTION: discuss updated Pick Media next week

<Clarke> ??P22 is me

darobin: ok, we can talk about Pick Media next week

<Jungkee> thanks

RESOLUTION: discuss updated Pick Media next week

Minutes Approval

<darobin> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from Burlington F2F are approved.

<Jungkee> s/including fragments /including refinement of metadata dictionary

RESOLUTION: Minutes from Burlington F2F are approved.

HTML MC Feedback

darobin: i'm not sure we need to go over all the feedback
... a lot of it is editorial
... or confusion

<Milan_Patel> Milan is here

darobin: Anssi is on vacation
... does anyone want to enter the LC bits into the LC tracker [learning a new tool]?

Marcos1: is there a new one?

darobin: no, but it may be new to some people

<darobin> ACTION: Robin to enter the HTML MC LC comments into the tracking tool [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/25-dap-minutes.html#action01]

Marcos1: i'm going on vacation shortly

<trackbot> Created ACTION-562 - Enter the HTML MC LC comments into the tracking tool [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-08-01].

darobin: anything else on HTML Media Capture?
... i'm sure Anssi will take an editing pass when he comes back

Light Sensor

darobin: there's been discussion, a spec, some tests
... i'm using the same link for the spec and tests
... not what i intended to do

<darobin> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/light/Overview.html

darobin: it's a pretty cool, pretty simple draft
... do we want a CfC to publish it?

Marcos1: i'd support that

<darobin> ACTION: Robin to start a CfC for Light [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/25-dap-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-563 - Start a CfC for Light [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-08-01].

Josh_Soref: i'm rather skeptical about all of this
... i expect browser UAs to be able to do things more intelligently if they evolve on their own

Marcos1: from working w/ darobin on a course
... there's a trend in mobile developers creating interfaces designed for outdoors
... i agree with you, Josh_Soref, that intelligently adapting on the UA side would be great

Josh_Soref: but that's a Media Query
... instead of proposing low level api first
... propose a Media Query

darobin: i hear your concerns, Josh_Soref
... but i think they'd be better addressed by having a venue in which to sort these things out
... than by not having it

Marcos1: note that they're unprefixed in Aurora/Firefox Mobile

darobin: you should voice your concern in the CfC

Marcos1: i agree, there's something that doesn't feel quite right
... hopefully we can get a prefixed version with the mozilla guys

Temperature and Humidity

Josh_Soref: i don't like the idea of these things being native exposed apis
... as opposed to being intents
... because when i'm using a car / phone in a car / tablet in a car
... the onboard sensor for the UA that's hosting the system
... may be very far from the physical user
... and thus give the wrong answer
... whereas an Intent could do the right thing

<gmandyam> +q

darobin: nothing prevents us from morphing from an API to an Intent
... pick/subscribe
... do we have a subscribe verb?
... yes we do

gmandyam: if we take this on as an Intent form
... does that tie us to the intent discovery process in the UA?
... i have a problem with intents from a mobile perspective

darobin: the question is whether the WG wants to take on the work?

Marcos1: can we just gather UCs?
... it's an unofficial draft

<darobin> Josh_Soref: what will happen for discovery is that a mobile device will know about its one on-board sensor

<darobin> gmandyam: yes, we may not want to expose details to users

<darobin> Josh_Soref: it's only about specs, we don't specify UI

<darobin> Marcos tries to explain the plan

<darobin> [scribe lost]

darobin: i don't think we want to publish

Marcos1: i agree
... let's chat a bit more
... let's wait on a reference implementation
... and explore the UCs

darobin: that sounds good to me
... thanks a lot for putting the spec together
... if you get back from vacation, you can take this up

<gmandyam> +q

[ Discussion of Node.js / NodeBots ]

[ Adjourned ]

trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Robin to enter the HTML MC LC comments into the tracking tool [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/25-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Robin to start a CfC for Light [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/25-dap-minutes.html#action02]
 
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