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<Joshue108> * https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/techstfJuly92012/
<Joshue108> scribenick: Joshue
<Joshue108> JonG: I am happy to go a technique, like a checkbox with mixed states.
<Joshue108> JN: Which guideline is that?
<Joshue108> JonG: Prob 4.1.2
<Joshue108> JOC: Thats great.
<Joshue108> The group goes thru the techniques.
<Joshue108> JN: I think we need more simple generic techs, and then some more specific examples for widgets as needed.
<Joshue108> JonG: Its fine if we point to full working examples.
<Joshue108> JN: Do they need to be more detailed or is this ok?
<Joshue108> JonG: Full techs can be complicated.
<Joshue108> JonG: Are you going to replicate the authors guide?
<Joshue108> Jn: No.
<Joshue108> JN: We will try to focus them down, thats what Loretta has done.
<Joshue108> JonG: One of the practical things is that people can use libraries, for eg in the techniques doc.
<Joshue108> JN: But then they may not need to know the techniques then?
<Joshue108> JonG: The techniques doc may want to cover some of the considerations, such as dynamic menus that have three approaches. The techniques doc should show advantage and disadvantages etc.
<Joshue108> JonG: Some of the hotbutton issues for me are dynamic menus, hide/show panels and form controls for error feedeback.
<Joshue108> JN: We have a place for that in WCAG etc.
<Joshue108> JonG: The other issue is HTML5..
<Joshue108> JN: Menus sound like 4.1 to me, a tech for menus if you could do one that would be great.
<Joshue108> JN: There may be more detailed examples for widget types where there are scope for confusion.
<Joshue108> JOC: I'd like to hear from Jon has to say about the different approaches to dynamic markup of content using ARIA.
<Joshue108> JN: Lets get to that after discussing tech.
<Joshue108> JonG: On my comment, maybe it is ok.
<Joshue108> <discussion on use of image role="button"
<Joshue108> <discussion on Image Sprites, and its a11y issues>
<Joshue108> JonG: We could have a discussion on how ARIA could be used to make Sprites accessible?
<Joshue108> JN: This could be a good CSS tech, how to do sprites in accessible manner
<Joshue108> ACTION, James to draft technique tech for where native controls are preferable to ARIA annotations
<Joshue108> ACTION: James to draft technique text for where native controls are preferable to ARIA annotations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
<Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to AT test Toolbar example in "Using a WAI-ARIA role to expose the role of a user interface component" tech [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]
<Joshue108> JN: Why does the example 'Example 1:A simple toolbar' reference a menubar?
<Joshue108> JN: ANy other comments on example 2?
<Joshue108> JOC: Example 2 is simple and clean, should be fine.
<Joshue108> JonG tidies up Example 1.
<Joshue108> JN: We need to log a bug on the Authoring practices doc.
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