See also: IRC log
Simon: mobile topic plan - we have some general ideas of setting up the document (note)
… timeline proposed we're looking for a draft by mid September
… we'll work on bits apart and then combine and then show the group
… we'll follow the same procedure as the previous note for line by line editing
Shadi: recap on timeline so mid september the draft comes to the group
… we'll have at least 3 weeks plus a survey review/approve
… plan for at least 4 weeks for a resolution to publish with the group
… for it to then become a a working draft for the public (around October)
Simon: I need to speak with the coordination group about this, in particular Judi's rode map on mobile
Shadi: right, might be a way to get early feedback
<shawn> [ internal draft mid-Sept (maybe bring outline or rough draft to RDWG & CG earlier) - RDWG review & approval to publish draft for public review (3 weeks) plus CG review - prep for public WD (1-2 weeks) ]
Simon: yah that might be an idea .. could be a parallel task of approval
<shawn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Jul/0001.html
Shawn: we got feedback from Yeliz and Josh - should we discuss/questions/..?
<shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/home.html
Shawn: the issue of all caps/italics - acceptable as is for readability etc. for headings
… opinions?
<shawn> * Is the use of all caps and italics acceptable?
Simon: in general I want to thank you for this - I really like it ..
<shawn> design credit largely goes to Liam McGee :-)
… I have no problems with the italics/caps - big improvement
… we're all happy with this - Shawn will work with people who made comments ..
… can we resolve this?
Simon: only want this to come back to the group if Shawn finds a conflict and is unresolvable
Shadi: we don't want to hold either up (previous note)
… unless big issues then we'll just notify the group of changes and go ahead
Simon: agreed
RESOLUTION: Ok to go with this design no need to bring back the group unless unresolved issues
Simon: now this is about a submission deadline
… Shawn I've seen some emails about Linz? (shawn)
… should we talk about the submission date?
Shawn: I think it would be good to talk about general suggestions
… any changes in the default timeline.. we have a template timeline for approx in between dates
<sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline
… for mobile we talk about rebuttal etc. making longer
Simon: timeline for 30th july which we aren't going to me (link)
Shawn: the planning over the last column, 2 weeks review/rebuttal ..
… that last column we need to decide on the default
… any comments on considerations for symposium/deadlines ie. holidays etc.
… and then come back with a proposal i. time for each thing, ii. consideration for dates
Simon: I have an app for dates on the conference and then outputs some dates +-15 weeks in the
… if we decided Nov 1st, then easy to read 1st Dec, then 13 Sept deadline submissions, and announce the pre call 26 July, and then 9th aug full call
Shawn: I think we ned to revisit those dates
… right now we have 12 for the call, 8 weeks for deadline sub, 2 weeks to rev, 2 weeks rebuttal/rev.
… based on mobile experience is this good?
Shadi: I do think that some of the timelines need to shift
<shadi> -15+ weeks: pre-call for papers
<shadi> -12 weeks: call for papers; scientific committee confirmed
<shadi> -8 weeks: paper deadline
<shadi> -6 weeks: feedback to paper authors; programm annopuncement
<shadi> -3 weeks: deadline for final papers
<shadi> -2 weeks: publication of accepted papers, registration opens
<shadi> Day X: online seminar
Simon: looks reasonable (timeline)
… pushing them through this quickly means people don't have time to forget about it
<shadi> -15+ weeks: pre-call for papers
<shadi> -12 weeks: call for papers; scientific committee confirmed
<shadi> -7 weeks: paper deadline
<shadi> -5 weeks: feedback to paper authors; programm annopuncement
<shadi> -3 weeks: deadline for final papers
<shadi> -2 weeks: publication of accepted papers, registration opens
<shadi> Day X: online seminar
Shadi: shift down paper deadline to give ppl more time ..
… is that better?
Simon: this one might be fine as well
<markel> I'm happy with the one that gives more time to authors to prepare their submission
… give them a bit more time to write stuff
… these are suppose to be the latests to get calls out, so hope before this
<shawn> [ Shawn agrees to get the CfPs out as early as possible ]
… happy with either forms
<shawn> +1 to having one week between final papers due and publication of them
Shadi: side note for this symposium - 2 tracks so the 2 weeks etc. might require some coordination
… editors/sci comm. need to be really available during this time
Shawn: might need a little more time for review
… time for talking about the split between symposiums
Shadi: so where does that take us
<shawn> NOTE: Chairs & Sci Committee need to be available during review time to address papers between 2 related symposia
…so we are kind of looking at October
Shawn: give the holidays I think it would be wise for a sub. in Sept if we're ok to put the Symp. later
<markel> I think that's too late
Simon: if I do that then we get a 5th for Nov the teleconference 10th Sept for submissions (dates right?)
… 5th of Nov for text cust. and then 3rd dec for easy to read
Shadi: is their an over lap with persons with disabilities day
… might be good to have it on this day or..
Simon: could have on 3rd or 10th
Shadi: I'd rather pull it forward 19th ...
Simon: so we only have 2 weeks
Shawn: not sure it matters
...
Simon: might matter for ppl in Australia etc.
Shawn: 26th won't work for ppl in the US .. or maybe ..
… no 22nd
… I think this is good - we have some ideas on dates
… I'll check dates on international calendars
… this is good guidance and then Klaus and I can collaborate and come come back on this
… may want to think about that date - conflicts with ppl's agenda etc..
Simon: don't know if this is a good or bad thing
Shadi: lets think about that
… doing something with cog. dis. on that day could be good to show our presence
<Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say leaning towards doing it on 3 Dec!
Shawn: preference to think about negatives but see a lot of positives for that day
*advisory for next steps: 5th of November and 3rd of December and Shawn and Klaus will hammer out dates
(thanks!! :-)
Shadi: I want to check in on the open thread on bib text
… question on mailing list - proper use of bib text - not really my area..
… I've been looking at entries/semantics and trying to understand it a bit more
… I'm wondering about shifting that to using proceedings as the pub. and part of the proc. as part of the report..
… reactions?
<shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Jul/0006.html
Simon: I'd like to invite Giorgio?
<shadi> @proceedings {
<shadi> title = {W3C/WAI Symposium on Website Accessibility Metrics},
<shadi> ...
<shadi> }
<shadi> @inproceedings {
<shadi> title = {Measuring Accessibility ...},
<shadi> booktitle = {W3C/WAI Symposium on Website Accessibility Metrics},
<shadi> ...
<shadi> }
<shadi> @incollection {
Giorgio: not really, I wasn't paying much attention to bib text issues
<shadi> title = {Research Report on Web Accessibility Metrics},
<shadi> booktitle = {W3C/WAI Symposium on Website Accessibility Metrics},
<shadi> series = {W3C/WAI Research and Development Working Group (RDWG) Notes},
<shadi> ...
<shadi> }
Markel: my opinion, I gave yesterday, it's not a big deal
… both look similar - I don't think it's a big deal
Shadi: I put my suggestions in IRC … (see above)
<shawn> looks good to me
… it seamed to me more semantically correct
Simon: I personally think that that's coherent … (bib text)
… I would suggest for the book title that it's about the set of notes generated from the symposium
… title ie. research report on web accessibility metrics ..
… so the book title remains consisten across all notes
Shawn: but isn't it part of a series
… we have the pub that is a symp. on metrics, a series that are these notes
Simon: that's kind of right but that's not how it's used in the academic domain..
<markel> the optional fields tend not to be shown by latex
… in reality I suppose it doesn't matter hugely
Giorgio: it doesn't matter that much
… one minor detail on typeset on bib text items into his/her paper - not a big issue here
<shawn> [ conceptually - proceedings include papers and report. report is also part of a series of RDWG publications ? ]
Simon: ok
Shadi: Shawn and I are trying to think in hypertext :-0
Simon: can we put this in as a plus one
<giorgio> +1
<shawn> +1
Simon: as Shadi proposes
<sharper> +1
+1
<markel> I stick to the original :-)
<Yehya> +1
RESOLUTION: going to take the proposal from Shadi (see above IRC)
<markel> lol
Markel: I'm happy with any of the options
<markel> yes, no problem at all
Shadi: I have no preference
… I was trying to think of meta data ..
<markel> good question
<shawn> [ /me too not know much about BibTeX and thinking conceptually :-]
Simon: talking of meta data is their a way to code the bib text into the meta data for each paper/page for search?
<sharper> http://dublincore.org/
Shadi: a colleague of Klaus is looking into the dublin core format ..
… not sure of best seo - including for Google Scholar
Simon: good thing of dublin core is that we're able to get semantic links
Shadi: is ok to use bib text/dublin core/ … in combination?
<sharper> http://bibtex2rdf.sourceforge.net/
Simon: we got this sorted
<shawn> Shawn regrets 11 July & 18 July
Simon: what's people's availability for the coming weeks?
<markel> I'm away on holyday, regrets for 11 of July
<sharper> Simon regrets 18th and 25th July
<Yehya> regrets 11 July
<shadi> regrets for 11th and potentially 18th
Simon: suggest not the 11th
… and also not the 18th
… only me off on the 25th - could start again then with a firming up of the timeline
Shawn: I should be here and hopefully Klaus as well
<markel> i'll be away on the 25th too
<giorgio> +1
<markel> +1
<Yehya> +1
Simon: if that's ok I'll announce not the 11th,18th but start again on the 25th?
<shawn> +1
Simon: ok good
Simon: would like to check the wiki
<sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Main_Page
… I'd like to pick topic 5
… I don't want to lose time … I want to get topic 5 and 6 sorted for end of year charter
… I also think our work is useful and it would be a shame to not make these deadlines
… anyone have a preference from the wiki - like to be editors on?
<shawn> [ also good to ask CG for suggestions :-]
suggests: Ubiquitous Web Accessibility and or something on ARIA
Shadi: talk of another topic?
<shawn> IndieUI?
… mooks?
<markel> what's that?
<sharper> accessibility of moocs
<sharper> MOOC - massive open online course
<shawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_open_online_course
Shadi: this may be related to some of online
education ..
... I think indieUI and cloud computing - both topics may be an interesting
followup to the mobile topic
<sharper> Software as a Service (SaaS)
<markel> agree with Shadi that Cloud Computing and IndyUI look as good candidates
… deeper into gestures or people on the move ..
sounds fun!
<shawn> coordinate with Raising the Floor & GPII
Simon: we need to think about editors ..
… I'm going to put this on as a topic for the 25th - where do we go for topic 5 ..
… and how are we going to get editors ..
Simon: try to share my excel sheet on google docs to work out dates
Shawn: I don't need it .. but if you want to that's fine ..