Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

27 Jun 2012


See also: IRC log


Richard, aphillip, dclarke, andrewc, Norbert, koji
Felix, Mati
any opposed to sending to WG
Addison Phillips


Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

close ACTION-126

<trackbot> ACTION-126 Contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation closed

(AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) study additional bidi controls proposal and express support or lack of support for it at Unicode

Info Share

koji: UTR#50 and writing mode
... preparing data files which is a snapshot of utr50

<koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#vertical-orientations

koji: now in ed
... will have 1 or 2 more WD before last call
... please provide feedback
... attended subgroup of UTC
... two telecons
... told them about things we expected
... which should go in next draft
... but publishers need something now that is stable
... very helpful if someone can check out the datafiles in draft, especially for CJK important code points

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/2012/06/mlw/public/mlw-project-final-report.pdf

richard: link to final report on MLWeb project

... finished at end of March

richard: but final review was last friday
... reached "exceeded expectatoins" score
... which is highest
... will continue workshops in ML Web LT project
... which ends in 2014
... need to look at funding models

Web Notifications


Norbert: raised issue 161
... no way to specify the language
... safe to say what the language is?
... does the User Agent know?
... possibility of multiple items, each tagged with a language
... so the user agent can select
... which one to display

1. The presence of 'direction' each attribute (title, body) is nice to see, but it would be good if there were also a "lang" attribute for each. Content language is used to influence the display of Notifications (line wrapping, font selection, etc.). The language attribute should be a String containing a BCP 47 language tag.

2. (Section 5). It's a little odd that title is converted to Unicode before setting the direction, while body has its direction set first. Can those be made consistent?

3. (Section 6). The Unicode Bidrectional Algorithm should be referenced directly here. As written, it's hard to understand unless one is already familiar with the concepts. Rules from UAX#9 are referenced by name here, so there should be an explicit reference to it. Note that such a reference is included in the references section already.

appears to be there now

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-notifications-20110301/


4. (Section 7.2). Should normalization play a role in comparing 'tag' values?

think we are coming to conclusion that answer is 'no'

<scribe> ACTION: addison: send Web Notifications comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Send Web Notifications comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-07-04].

Ruby Document

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html


richard: not a finished item, but question is: "can I publish a new public WD"

koji: think it's good to go public

richard: add something about double-<rt>?

koji: not sure if current spec can read this way

Norbert: when reading...
... elements not defined, e.g. <rp> I *think* means parens, etc.

richard: don't hvae a link to HTML5 sections that describe ruby, etc.
... document assumes some familiarity with Ruby and HTML5 ruby
... and add links/refs

Norbert: not aware that CSS and HTML can generate DOM elements when parsing
... anonymous boxes

richard: starting to develop an opinion... maybe not change HTML5
... but might change how markup behaves
... might not need <rb> as long as can get anonymous box

norbert: multiple <rb> followed by multiple <rt>?

richard: requires singificant reengineering?
... can do nested ruby now
... and almost sort of works

Norbert: no model where can get a "yes" everywhere in table in doc

koji: fantasai and I think jukugo is a style rather than markup issue
... haven't got time right now to work on ruby styling just now
... but document describes issues and shows possible approaches

norbert: might be good to have preferred direction mentioned somewhere, if there is one?

richard: want to be neutral now?

<scribe> chair: who supports publishing as a FPWD?

<DClarke> +1

koji: yes

andrew: yes

<r12a> yes

addison: yes

norbert: yes

<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish ruby approaches document as First Public Working Draft and announce [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Publish ruby approaches document as First Public Working Draft and announce [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-07-04].

richard: will change target of comments from public-i18n-core to www-international

TPAC 2012


koji: will be there, try not to conflict with CSS

> Lyon, France > http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/

norbert: currently we are scheduled Th/Fr and CSS is Mo/Tu
... maybe

addison: maybe

<DClarke> I may be able to, but I'll have to decide closer to the time

<r12a> i'll be there


next week: CSS3 Writing Mode

also Flex Box

richard: charter went to W3M review today
... should hear in about 2 weeks

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_history

richard: look at discussion items list
... review items

norbert: 49 open items in the HTML-prep

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: send Web Notifications comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish ruby approaches document as First Public Working Draft and announce [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
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