WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

06 Jun 2012

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[Microsoft], ChrisL, Vlad, sylvaing, tal, +1.650.253.aaaa, Raph, jfkthame, +1.408.536.aabb


<trackbot> Date: 06 June 2012

<scribe> Scribe: Chris

<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL

sergeym, thanks for subbmitting the IE10 results

hoping this might be a short call because of those

<sergeym> No problem


291 of 291 required tests meet CR exit criteria.

CR exit criteria have been met.

<Vlad> Chris, are you coming back?

UA Test Suite results

<Vlad> See http://w3c-test.org/framework/results/woff-ua/ for the latest updates

291 of 291 required tests meet CR exit criteria.

CR exit criteria have been met.

I added results from Chrome 19 today

also the latest Opera beta (no change unfortunately)

Vlad: first order of business is updated UA results

Raph: the chromium bug strictly check table padding

Vlad: we have met the CR exit criteria

ChrisL: added Chrome 19 and Opera 12 beta rwsults, plus Microsoft sent in the IE10/Win8 results
... the advantage of making no changes is we avoid another last call

Vlad: maybe we can raise the issue with the OT spec folks to get 'highly recommended' changed to 'mist' in line with the implementations

sergeym: agree

Vlad: most impls expect that anyway
... some will reject a font that has no last-table padding

tal: who knows what is in the Apple sfnt parser?


=== quote ===

This Chromium bug tracks the recent update to OTS to make it fully comply with the W3C spec for strictly checking table padding.


I believe this make the implementation comply with the spec, so hopefully there are no further issues.

=== /quote ===

Vlad (explains email list)

ChrisL: so this gives a more strict path for the WOFF path

Raph: yes
... could revisit if OT spec changes

(discussion on how many OT fonts in the wild miss trailing padding)

Raph: older fonts more likely to be brioken

jfkthame: pathc is identical to one i did for Firefox, to make it pass the same test case.
... so if that goes into OTS upstream we will inherit it

Raph: can unblock WOFF and make OT more strict later

jfkthame: would still be slow to reject as known fonts that would break. Stricter spec still a good thing longer term

Resolved: move WOFF 1.0 to Proposed Recommendation

review proposed draft charter


"This proposed charter adds the evaluation of, and (if favourable) the standardisation of, this new method or some variation on it, as a deliverable of the existing WebFonts Working Group. "

jfkthame: at first glance this looks reasonable

Vlad: (explains original and new draft charters)

Raph: milestones still show a WOFF 2.0
... so standardisation is in scope
... totally fine with that change
... hope more people do their own tests, like CPU usage on mobile
... now on Android team btw, which does not imply any problem with the Fonts group - but more focus on fonts for mobile
... in favour of careful evaluation and consideration of alternatives. Not set in stone. Better alternatives, or unforseen problems, should be addressed

Vlad: still Google's rep to this WG?

Raph: yes
... definitely have time allocation for W3C standards work

Vlad: so we think the charter is good, then we can go forward to AC review

ChrisL: (explains process)

Vlad: ensure we get adequate responses over summer, and all set for TPAC

sylvaing: any f2f beffore tpac?

Vlad: no


Vlad: more likelyy one f2f a year plus mostly online

ChrisL: when will this patch start showing up in Chrome and Safari?

Raph: likey to ship in Chroime within 12 weeks, and canary version in 6 weeks.
... safari I don't know
... and does not use OTS AFAIK
... use own code for that. OTS is a separate repo

ChrisL: unfortunate that Opera not present, believe they use it also

Raph: should show up in nightlies in next day or two
... Tab could say more

ChrisL: the IE10 needs a Win8 preview?

sylvaing: can run in a VM

Vlad: Raph we are on IRC as well as on the phone

cslye: who will be at Typecon?

Raph: no

cslye: just curious


<raph> hi all!

<raph> i'll make sure to use this next call

<Vlad> Hi Raph


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