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<trackbot> Date: 01 June 2012
<mapluke> adjourn
<MichaelC> drop item 6
<MichaelC> drop item 7
<MichaelC> drop item 8
<MichaelC> scribe: Andi
<MichaelC> regrest: Loïc_Martínez, Peter_Korn
<scribe> scribe: Andi
no remaining issues now that category of ICT in general has been removed
RESOLUTION: Accept text for 1.4.5 as proposed
1.2.1 Audio only and video only (prerecorded) https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY292012/results#xq7
no remaining issues now that category of ICT in general has been removed
RESOLUTION: Accept text for 1.2.1 as proposed
Captions 1.2.2
general discussion about what to do when it seems something doesn't apply
example of images - if don't have images, some think the SC is not applicable, but the assumption for WCAG is that if you don't have images then you comply with 1.1.1
general discussion about conformance when platform doesn't have features necessary to support the SC
<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to mention language from 508 about exception for “fundamental alteration”.
GV: if platform doesn't support, SC can't be met
AL: when authoring, can't know what user agent, platform, AT user will have
BB: 508 has exceptions for fundamental alteration and commercial non-availability
GV: we have to create the rules for what makes something accessible to people with disabilities
<Pierce_> 40#
BB: in regulatory context, there is a difference between compliance with the statute and conformance to the technical standard
<Pierce_> 41#
<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to say we distinguish between complying with the statute and conforming to the standard.
PC: government can specify minimum system requirements
<BBailey> trackbot, status?
AS: the second paragraph speaks to the issue of "accessibility supported" which is a conformance issue that is applicable to all SC
proposal to delete the second paragraph of the proposal
RESOLUTION: accept text for 1.2.2 as amended (delete second paragraph)
1.2.3 Audio Descriptions or media alternatives (prerecorded)
<shadi> [for record, agree with removing this paragraph for now but coming back to it later, probably when we come to discuss "accessibility support"]
proposal to remove the second paragraph and add note per Loïc's comment
AS: definition of audio description has notes that explain this is also known by other terms such as "video description"
<mapluke> Note that WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says that Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive narration.'".
GV and MP: propose keeping the note because this term gets a lot of comments so even though there are notes in the definition, this is a good clarification
<greggvanderheiden> Note: Secondary or alternate audio tracks are commonly used for this purpose
<janina> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
Document about how to do media accessibility on the web - excellent resource for WCAG but not for the WCAG2ICT document
JS: reference on media accessibility is being used in other non-web contexts such as cable
AL: lot of other standards we could reference, process question of how we are going to handle these
GV: not within our scope to reference other standards
<greggvanderheiden> FROM MEETING
<greggvanderheiden> Additional guidance when applying to Electronic Documents and Software Aspects of Products
<greggvanderheiden> This applies directly as written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above).
<greggvanderheiden> Note1: WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says that Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive narration.'".
<greggvanderheiden> Note2: Secondary or alternate audio tracks are commonly used for this purpose
<greggvanderheiden> Additional guidance when applying to Electronic Documents and Software Aspects of Products
<greggvanderheiden> This applies directly as written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above).
<greggvanderheiden> Note1: WCAG 2.0 definition of Audio Description says that Audio Description is "Also called 'video description' and 'descriptive narration.'".
<greggvanderheiden> Note2: Secondary or alternate audio tracks are commonly used for this purpose
RESOLUTION: accept text for 1.2.3 as amended (add Gregg's note as edited by Loïc, add additional note about using primary or secondary audio channels, and delete second paragraph)
AH: back to 1.2.2 Captions - these are called "subtitles" in other contexts
AS: definition of Captions says that in the notes
GV: could add a note similar to what we did for 1.2.3 on audio description/video description
<scribe> ACTION: Gregg to compose note on captions and subtitles for 1.2.2 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/01-wcag2ict-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Compose note on captions and subtitles for 1.2.2 [on Gregg Vanderheiden - due 2012-06-08].
1.2.4 Captions (Live)
GV: "live" is defined as
information captured from real world events
... not document and not software
... if software plays CSPAN channel, that is coming from a
third party who would be responsible for the captions
... software would play the captions but requirements on the
player to be able to play the captions is beyond our scope
PC: this requirement is really about doing something, not selling something
GV: contrasts software that just presents live content (baby cam) vs. live content that someone is selling such as Olympic coverage
MP: need a note on scoping
GV: this provision wouldn't apply when agency is purchasing software to do a live event (ex. training) but it would apply when the agency uses it
AH: lot of information provide for the web context, is there something else we need to add for people not operating in the web context
proposal to put the same note from 1.2.2 in this provision
AL: written for one-way conversation, not meant for two-way conversations such as VoIP
<greggvanderheiden> sorry
<greggvanderheiden> I am cut off can cannot sign back in
<greggvanderheiden> conference restricted
<shadi> trackbot, end meeting
trackbot, end meeting
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