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Yaron?
shepazu: a few different points on this:
1) ability to make translations and link to them from the main article
2) ability to navigate back to original article
3) list all language versions available
4) prefere a single language where available
r12a: what are the issues?
example.org/html/elements/video/fr
r12a: the central issue seems to be how the users navigate around
<scribe> scribenick: shepazu
r12a: I'd expect that you could change the langauge from the page, immediately
http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_Semantic_MediaWiki
r12a: is the expectation that there will be translations, or simply independently authored content on the same topic
shepazu: translations
r12a: so, there would be a 1-1 mapping between articles in english (and the structure), and the translations
shepazu: correct
example.org/myarticle/zh-hans
<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-navigation-select
r12a: if the expectation is for there to be 1-1 translations, then there shouldn't be separate parallel trees, you should be able to navigate between the same version of articles
(discussion of flags for languages, and why that's flawed)
<r12a> you should be able to hit a link and be taken to a translation of the same page straight away, without having to find your way back to the same context
<r12a> the organization of the database shouldn't preclude this
shepazu: if you speak french, for example, you may always want to go to the french langauge version of a page, if it's available, and only to the english version if there's no french version available
r12a: but you should have a way
of specifying that you want to default to a different language
version than is stated in my browser preferences
... for example, in the link above, whatever language you
select becomes the default (it sets a cookie)
... it's quite important… someone may prefer the french
version, but if the english version of a page is more complete,
they may want to always use the english
shepazu: Yaron, is this possible in Mediawiki?
Yaron: I don't know of a default way in Mediawiki, but maybe there could be a rewrite script
(discussion about automatic conneg)
r12a: once you've selected a language, you stay in that language on the site until you change the language
shepazu: even if that means that it redirects you to the version for that language (e.g. /fr)?
r12a: yes, that's the desireable behavior, so the person can always select a different language
docs.webplatform.org/fr/html/elements/video
docs.webplatform.org/html/fr/elements/video
docs.webplatform.org/html/elements/fr/video
docs.webplatform.org/html/elements/video/fr
<r12a> docs.webplatform.org/html/elements/video/
<r12a> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/7240183554/in/photostream
r12a: so, in that case, it's not part of the site structure, it's more like a parameter
example.org/video/fr
example.org/fr/video/
<r12a> fr.webplatform.org/html/elements/video
Yaron: docs.webplatform.org/fr/html/elements/video is possible
… but it would no longer have the "parent" relationship, and the naming structure would no longer match the site structure
r12a: most of the time, you should only use the language-indpendent URL, unless you're passing someone a link to a specific language version
shepazu: I hear 2 requirements...
… if the user has a language preference (either in their browser, or specific selection via cookie or login preference), then they should always go to their lanaguage-version page if available
… if there is no appropriate page in their langauge, then it should go to the english version
<r12a> language tags should only appear in urls when you want to force the user to a specific language version of a page
<r12a> ie. in the general case, use example.org/html/elements/video and NOT example.org/html/elements/video/fr or some such
<r12a> there should be a mechanism for users to be directed by default to the language version of a page that corresponds to their browser language preferences
<r12a> there should be an additional mechanism for someone to specify that they want to visit this site in a language that is different from their browser preference
<r12a> there should be links on each page to the same page in all existing translations
<r12a> ishida@w3.org
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