<cfit> meeting; HTML Techniques Task Force

<cfit> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIA_role_alert_error_feedback/

<cfit> scribenick: Adam

Please comment on the survey - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltechs-20120409/

Using placeholder on INPUT

leonie - work in progress

<cfit> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltechs-20120409/results

see Loretta's comments in the survey - relevance to 3.3.2

David - shouldn't confuse people for 3.3.2

david's suggested text is useful - not replacement for label

3.3.2 requires label or instructions

1.3.1 covers programmatic determination

screen readers support placeholder

<cfit> +q

problem is that it disappears after entering value

user agent support limited

leonie to do test case for screen readers

may be advisory

more urgent to get to aria techs

<cfit> DMD: We really need to focus more on ARIA techs over HTML5.

david - aria more helpful at the present time than html5

New ARIA technique Survey

<cfit> AS: The placeholder tech may be sufficient for 3.3.1

<cfit> JOC: I would have reservations about the placeholder tech being suitable for 3.3.1

<cfit> JOC: I don't think it is sufficiently robust.

<cfit> JOC: Adam has a point that placeholder text could be highlighted in red to denote errors in fields.

david - 3.3.1 has to be conditional - not on page load

<cfit> JOC: I'll leave the section element tech for today, as it still needs work.

<cfit> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ARIA_role_alert_error_feedback/

ARIA Technique - Using ARIA role of alert for Error Feedback in Forms

<David> http://www.DavidMacD.com/WCAG/testing/form.html

David implemented snippet from technique (see url above) - doesn't work

example left out code - how much should be posted?

marc - reduce code to one field and cut it down

marc - add missing js functions

david - leverage jon's techniques as is - no bandwidth to revise them

<marcjohlic> http://html.cita.illinois.edu/nav/form/aria/index.php?example=3

joshua - important to provide short, simple examples - flag this code as not working

marc - another advantage to jon's examples is presence of other aria attributes

david - not required that each example fulfills all of the success criteria

david - silverlight techs had zip files for code

joshua - what about jquery examples

david - avoided until now

<cfit> ACTION: Josh to ping Tim and Jon about fixing the JS on the ARIA technique [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/23-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]

<cfit> ACTION: Further group discussion needed about use of JS libraries and WCAG examples [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/04/23-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]

adam - need to carefully adapt all code for the techniques

david - check the code but use the examples as is

marc - for those who are familiar with js - throw it out as is - and then revise it later

adam - we'd never get back to revising them

joshua - i have to go

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