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Eric: New editor version available
... There is still only two comments on the mailing list. If you are on social media, please point people to the document
Eric: Here is the new version: http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/methodology/.
Eric will work on the use cases section and will include items from this
... Step 4 - tried to keep the text as short as possible. Requirements has been added
Peter: Requirement 4c Does the accessibility supported techniques is that connected to tools used in 4a
Eric: It is all connected to previous sections including step 2 & 3 and 4.
Peter: Wondering if there should be a reference in 4c to the tools used
Eric: recording the tools allows others to reproduce the results
<kerstin> thanks Martijn
<MartijnHoutepen> no problem
Peter: Should we give people more guideance on the tools used
Eric: The tools include browsers, assistive technology and other plugins. This would be defined in 1d. In step 2, you include pages
Peter: the editor note should be included in the text (4d)
Eric: will add this
Mike: We should not telling people what tools they should use for evaluation but tools used should be recorded. It is covered under WCAG 2.0
Eric: we should record what was used, this is in
... it is up to the evaluator to decide what tools they will use
... Is anything missing from these steps
Peter: Archiving section - web application may
need a lot more information. You cannot archive URLS. Order of entry and data
entered is important
... More information will need to be recorded - what they did and what happened
Eric: This is 4d
Eric - Can you get screen shots?
Peter - Good idea but it may not be possible in all situations. Should not be required
Eric - How much description should we have?
Peter: Not much more, just a bit more about steps
Mike: It will depend on what you are evaluation and client expectations. May be just a list of pages checked. If there is complicated steps then it will vary
Eric: Let's go back to 4a
... Will work in the details from the mailing list in 4a
Sarah: Do we need screen shots from all browsers and conditions?
Eric: This is optional. Not sure what is the minimal information needed for recording
Peter: In 1d we tell users to select the minimum set of web browsers and assistive technology. We may want to say as selected in rather than defined in
Moe: Caution the use of screenshots. Low vision users find these difficult
Eric: We should have more than just screen shots and maybe we should have steps so that screen shot is complementary
Sarah: screen shots should be supplemental.
Really need the steps and what you entered
... To what extend does this need to be replicable
Eric: The results shoudl be comparable
... so it is what is needed to accomplish this goal
Peter: Not likely
Eric: We need to include this in section 4
<Sarah_Swierenga> - not likely - and if archiving is optional, then it wouldn't be possible to replicate at all.
Eric: what is needed to make it replicable
<kerstin> don't have any idea about what "Check pages from the sample using the specified sets or sources of techniques" exactly means
Mike: matter of degree, people will be reluctant
to list the protocol followed
... how explicit does this need to be. Some of this is subjective
Eric: started defining a flow chart but there are so many possibities. Hard to define
Martijn: if need to be replicable you would need to record all the details
Sarah: If it is optional then it will be ignored by most evaluators. All about how to do a WCAG 2.0 evaluation. This is time consuming plus gives other the inside view of how to do the work
Eric: Not convinced that we should not have more
... what about saying we need to review the complete process
<Mike_Elledge> Scribe's perogative? :^)
Kathy: could give some options for approaches
Eric: should we give people more detail on how to use WCAG 2.0
Tim: are there principles of auditing
Eric: Can we come up with an ideal set of steps
Sarah: this may be the place where we can talk about automated tools, keyboard only etc.
Eric: Depends on context and use cases defined
... we need high-level principles
Kerstin: This is important. Some items better to check later
Eric: this is why maybe having a step by step approach. Some items can be easier to do later
Kerstin: we should try to define it
Eric: I will try to add this
... send examples through the list
... will start working on Step 5 - by Monday will have text in the section
Eric: Any other issues?