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<trackbot> Date: 01 March 2012
<scribe> Scribe: kford
JS: Talking about experience
yesterday going through spreadsheet to assign ratings.
... Leanred two things, moved relatively quickly. Surprised at
how many items were initially a 5 but when we probed, we had
more 3 or 2.
<JAllan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JanMar/0067.html
JS: When we finished we found 4 that were obvious that priority should be lowered.
<JAllan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012JanMar/0065.html
JS: Overall we think spreadsheet
is a good tool but taking to long.
... We think we should group up and look only at level A
items.
... 72 of 115 SC are level A. Believe target should be 35.
JS What does the group think?
Silence.
JR: I think we need to be certain that SC are done, no more dupes, missing, changes.
GL: Can we lock down on some of
these.
... These being the SC.
JR: We are marking in ATAG what text is still open directly in the document.
GL: I'm a fan of keeping info on one place.
More discussion on locking down.
<JAllan> kf: hearing 2 things. using @@ and trying to adjust priority.
<JAllan> js: want to reduce number of SC (currently 115), wcag 30+ atag ~60
<JAllan> ja: chairs need to review the document for what needs attention, what items are outstanding
<JAllan> kf: ask all to review action items, clear out what is no longer needed, hilite those that still need attention
<JAllan> ... need to mark up in the document what items are finished and not touch them again.
<JAllan> ... tried to do that at last f2f, but we have retouched alot things we thought were finished.
<JAllan> kf: where are we?
<JAllan> jr: there is a fuzziness. not sure what is finished. need to mark in the document not an external list.
<JAllan> ... need to remove some SC (that are implied by other SC)
<JAllan> kf: SC in 3 states, 1)done, open 2)actions-not done, 3) we don't know!
<JAllan> jr: add @@ to everything. then correct as needed
<JAllan> js: don't want to do this, will clutter the document.
<JAllan> kf: how will I know if 1.1.1 is done or not yet
<JAllan> gl: open actions, proposals, they need @@
<JAllan> ... or things with NO in the spreadsheet
<JAllan> js: can put @@ and action number by every item necessary.
<JAllan> kf: balance of opinions.
<JAllan> jr: @@ on NOs in CA and all things we didn't touch in CA
<JAllan> jim and jeanne Ok
<JAllan> kf: want to get document in state that we know whats happening by next week
<JAllan> ...what can be cut out, what lowered in priority.
<JAllan> kf: done with that.
JA: We have a new proposal.
<JAllan> New example for 2.1.4.
<JAllan> Jenny's wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. Her web browser also uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find dialog box in her wordprocessing app.
<JAllan> Note: This replaces the Elaine example, which moves to 2.1.9
JA: Wrote new sentence in intent
and example for an item.
... That was Kim who did this for 2.1.4
<JAllan> 2.1.4 Specify preferred keystrokes (former 2.1.2):
<JAllan> The user can override any keyboard shortcut including recognized author supplied shortcuts (e.g. accesskeys) and user interface controls, except for conventional bindings for the operating environment (e.g. arrow keys for navigating within menus). (Level A)
<JAllan> gl: if they are separate applications it doesn't make any sense.
<JAllan> jr: change wordprocessing to webapp
<JAllan> gl: or wordprocessing webapp, or wordprocessor is hosted in the browser
<Greg> Jenny's web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find dialog box in her wordprocessing app.
<JAllan> jr: the SC is taling about an ACCESSKEY,
<JAllan> gl: html5 events and commands are recognized by the browser. and the author can assign kebindings
<JAllan> gl: this is confusing. we are not always clear about content or interface
Group continuing to discuss what the SC means.
<JAllan> jan: we should be able to remap the accesskey html5 commands etc. if the browser understands the keybinding it can modify it
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to add the above test to 2.1.4 example. Jenny's web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find dialog box in her wordprocessing app. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/03/01-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-718 - Add the above test to 2.1.4 example. Jenny's web-based wordprocessing app uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She runs it hosted in her user agent, which also uses Ctrl+f to open a find dialog box. She opens a hotkey reassignment feature in the user agent, and sets Shift+Ctrl+f to be the new hotkey for the find dialog box in her wordprocessing app. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-03-08].
<JAllan> "Note: Although it is not required, user agents are also encouraged to let the user replace time-based media with their alternatives (e.g. replacing a video with its transcript) or supplement non-time-based media with their alternatives (e.g. displaying alternative text or long description beneath an image)."
<JAllan> this text is for 1.1.2
<JAllan> the above would be a note after the following
<JAllan> Intent of Success Criterion 1.1.2:
<JAllan> a. There are times when users cannot gain meaningful information from images, charts, graphs, etc. (non-time-based media elements).The author may have provided synchronized alternatives for the media. Users should be able to easily discover the synchronized alternatives provided, and have them render synchronously with the default media.
<JAllan> b. There are times when a user cannot gain meaningful information from a non-time-based media element (images, charts, graphs, etc.). The author may have provided alternatives for this. The user should be able to easily discover the alternatives provided, and have them render in place of the default media.
<JAllan> "Note: Although it is not required, user agents are also encouraged to let the user replace time-based media with their alternatives (e.g. replacing a video with its transcript) or supplement non-time-based media with their alternatives (e.g. displaying alternative text or long description beneath an image).
<JAllan> js: thinks we will run into issues with the note. big area of controversy in html5/aria about hiding text
<JAllan> gl: more specificity please
<JAllan> discussion about hidden content
<jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2012Feb/
<JAllan> current note on SC is Note: User agents are encouraged to also provide the ability to display alternate content with, rather than replacing, the primary content (e.g. as a pop-up, tooltip, or annotation).
JA: We are not taking this proposal.
<JAllan> zaki8m, make minutes
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