W3C

Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

29 Feb 2012

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison, Richard, Norbert, Mati, Koji, John, Gwyneth, Felix
Regrets
David
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


Minutes/Agenda

Action Items

<scribe> ACTION: dclarke: run the time change poll [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Run the time change poll [on David Clarke - due 2012-03-07].

acttion 100: wrote to sam, but not hixie yet

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

close ACTION-99

<trackbot> ACTION-99 Invite mike to next meeting to discuss ruby spec development closed

close ACTION-98

<trackbot> ACTION-98 Update ruby bug with summary of current situation and asking for no re-escalation closed

Info Share

<Norbert> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts

Norbert: ECMAScript Internationalization
... published new spec (above link)
... and new version of my guide:

<Norbert> http://norbertlindenberg.com/2012/02/ecmascript-internationalization-api/index.html

Norbert: : some progress, but needed to have a final version as of, well, yesterday
... not enough review
... started to discuss new schedule
... send comments to es-discuss@

Norbert; put "internationalization" or "internationalization API" in email subject so it's visible

scribe: or "INTL"

Clearing issues in "prep"

HTML5 http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/10 (Issues 136 - 141) Additional Predefined Counter Styles for CSS http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/16 CSS3 Generated and Replaced Content Module http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/14 HTML: The Markup Language http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/12

richard: these are things we ought to bless and or non-bless these
... and then forward, as needed

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/136

"The algorithm to convert a string to a number, given a string input, is as follows: If applying the rules for parsing floating point number values to input results in an error, then return an error; otherwise, return the resulting number." Does this refer to conversion of the text the user inputs into the field, ie. if the user types in 12.345,67 will the rules for parsing floating point number values be applied to that to determine whether or not that is

http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/number-state.html#number-state

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/138

I imagine this will get shot down, but I've been thinking I should suggest it for some time. It's a pain in the neck to have to write both lang and xml:lang attributes on an element in a polyglot document, and I've seen plenty of pages in the wild from people who should know better where either the lang attribute is missing in XHTML 1.x but the xml:lang attribute is there, as well as vice versa. Can we not just make xml:lang a synonym of the lang attribute?

richard: rare to use both

addison: inconvenient to have to use both

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/141

it's a typo

<scribe> chair: any opposed to these being official

(various and sundry approve)

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/146

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/141

"For each group with an odd index (as given in the second step) that did not have its digits removed in the third step, append ፻ U+137B." In the example 78010092, in ethiopic, is ፸፰፻፩፼፻፺፪ U+1378 U+1370 U+137B U+1369 U+137C U+137B U+137A U+136A, the group that contains 00 seems to have been replaced by ፻. This seems to contradict the text "did not have its digits removed in the third step".

<andrewc> http://www.geez.org/Numerals/

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/140

<q> element nesting

this is to *reset* the nesting level

addison: this is to start the conversation with them

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/75

addison: I will supply a summary by next week of the remainder

bidi and attribute direction

matial: thread about direction and how to specify on attrbitues
... like @alt
... some attributes include text that is in language and needs a direction
... the attribute's direction is the same as that of the element itself
... but sometimes this is inappropriate

<p lang="en">This is something with an Arabic image <img alt="CIBARA SI SIHT"></p>

rtl, ltr, auto values for 'attribdir' attribute

scribe: to override the direction of the text in the attributes
... if specified as auto, would be computed
... discussion about what the best way to handle it is
... agreed on a proposal
... and Aharon filed a bug on HTML5

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16160

Norbert: similar discussion of @lang

richard: @alt and @title would be the most common case

<foo title="something" alt="else" attribdir="auto" />

<foo title="english" alt="english" lang="de">deutsch</foo>

<span title="english" lang="en"><p lang="xxx"></p></span>

<r12a> <span title="German"><a lang="de" xml:lang="de" href="/International/questions/qa-css-charset.de.php?changelang=de">Deutsch</a></span>

richard: should put into our tracker

<scribe> chair: objections to endorsing this bug?

richard: "reviewed by working group and no objections"

addison: makes sense

<scribe> ACTION: addison: update html5 bug 16160 and note that we reviewed and have no objections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Update html5 bug 16160 and note that we reviewed and have no objections [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-03-07].

<najib-ma> :-)

AOB?

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions

raising IRI issues internal to the group

use the tracker

<scribe> ACTION: richard: raise IRI product in tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Raise IRI product in tracker [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-03-07].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: update html5 bug 16160 and note that we reviewed and have no objections [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: David: run the time change poll [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: dclarke: run the time change poll [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: raise IRI product in tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/29-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
 
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