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<trackbot> Date: 07 February 2012
<AndyS> Alex - I'm you! Will flip.
<AndyS> zkiam, IPCaller.a is me
<swh> voip not working for me today, had to call US
Zakim: alexpassant.a is me
<AxelPolleres> scribe: Alexpassant
<swh> AxelPolleres, BTW, the UK number on the agenda no longer works
<AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to mail sandro about loss of UK number [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-sparql-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-586 - Mail sandro about loss of UK number [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-02-14].
french number seems also down
<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-31
<Olivier_> french phone number does not work
<AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-01-31
AxelPolleres: no comments about last minutes
… approving minutes
<AxelPolleres> Next regular meeting: 2012-02-14 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST
… next meeting in a week
<Olivier_> regrets for next week
<cbuilara> regrets for next week too
<AxelPolleres> nicholas or steve to scribe next time
… scribe will be SteveH
… liaison with RDF WG
AndyS: several things to report
… first one is about QUADS
… proposed to adopt TRIG to dump RDF stores
… one issue is that the WG is not decided if QUADS will be used for NG
… may lead to 2 architectures for named graphs in W3C
… no decision yet
<AndyS> I updated the comments: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Comments
AxelPolleres: 2 pending comments
… one already discussed on the list
<AxelPolleres> JP-4 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jan/0009.html
<AndyS> 7 LC comments
… would like to open discussion about it
AndyS: bglimm discussed issues between properties path and entailment
… may be marked as optional feature
<bglimm> I wrote an email about it just before the teleconf: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JanMar/0128.html
AxelPolleres: no option to mark something as optional.
… can be not normative / informative, not sure there's other alternative
AndyS: clash between styles, more UC-driven versus computational-theory background
AxelPolleres: should probably answer that 1) we value their work to point the issue and give options for optimization 2) tone that down for CR version of their paper
… their paper propose an orthogonal way to look at property path
<AndyS> ?x :q/DISTINCT(:p*)/:r ?z .
<kasei> I agree with AndyS about defaulting to the counting semantics
Olivier_: may have a DISTINCT keyword in the path. could help to solve the problem
… could also build artificial queries w/o path that are very expensive
I haven't checked the issue in detail
<swh> FWIW I read the mail, but haven't implemented PPs, so no real opinion
<cbuilara> Ihavent checked the email in detail
<AxelPolleres> Strawpoll... We keep defaulting to counting paths semantics (+1)
<chimezie> 0 (not very well swapped into issue(s))
<bglimm> 0 (not being able to follow the spoken discussion)
<AndyS> Also - issue about another LC cycle.
<Olivier_> 0 need to think about it more
AxelPolleres: no one strongly to change the default behavior
<kasei> are we discussing adding the DISTINCT(pp) thing in 1.1? or just leaving it open for the future?
<AxelPolleres> Andy: Another LC cycle is anyways necessary if we change the grammar
<chimezie> i would like to be swapped in, just didn't find the time to read the email(s) in detail - so inclined to concur with WG
<AxelPolleres> probably discuss with team contacts whether this is still possible in our current schedule
<AxelPolleres> Option 1... keep everything as it is in the grammar, and explain which DISTINCT path subqueries can be optimized, Option 2 ... add DISTINCT around paths.
<AxelPolleres> ACTION: Axel to summarize option 1 and 2 in email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-sparql-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-587 - Summarize option 1 and 2 in email [on Axel Polleres - due 2012-02-14].
<AxelPolleres> we strive for a decision next week.
AxelPolleres: next comment MO-1
<AxelPolleres> next one: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jan/0010.html
<kasei> Andy suggested new wording: "sd:availableGraphs Relates an instance of sd:Service to a description of the __usable__ graphs where the service limits the scope of the construction of a dataset either via the SPARQL Protocol, with FROM/FROM NAMED clauses in a query, or with USING/USING NAMED in an update request."
<kasei> ("__usable__" wording is mine)
<AndyS> I'm +1 to reply whether SD doc changes and leave the decision to the editor.
<AndyS> I'm +1 to reply whether SD doc changes or not and leave the decision to the editor.
kasei: will make change about wording if everyone is ok
<kasei> current wording: "Relates an instance of <a href="#sd-Service"><code>sd:Service</code></a> to a description of the graphs that may be used in the construction of a dataset either via the SPARQL Protocol, with FROM/FROM NAMED clauses in a query, or with USING/USING NAMED in an update request."
<AxelPolleres> ACTION: kasei to draft a reply to MO-1 with better wording to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-sparql-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-588 - Draft a reply to MO-1 with better wording to the list [on Gregory Williams - due 2012-02-14].
<AxelPolleres> ACTION: Andy to ping lee on ACTION-579 and in case draft a respective mail to comments/dev lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-sparql-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-589 - Ping lee on ACTION-579 and in case draft a respective mail to comments/dev lists [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-02-14].
<Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to note action 579
<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve test cases http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#exists01-http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#exists05
<AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve test cases http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#exists01-http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#exists05
AxelPolleres: next topic : update TC
… discussion on COPY and MOVE
… can approve all TC except COPY-5 and MOVE-5
<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve non-classified update use cases, except http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#move05 and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#copy05
<swh> I'm not confident about MOVE COPY at the moment
<AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: approve non-classified update use cases, except http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#move?? and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#copy??
<AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: approve non-classified update use cases, except http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#move?? and http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/summary.html#copy??
<AxelPolleres> can we approve json-res/manifest#jsonres01
<kasei> I have no idea why we didn't approve it before, but that certainly seems like it would be relevant...
<AndyS> kasei, the triple for non-classified wasn't removed. Will fix.
<AndyS> kasei: the triple for non-classified wasn't removed. Will fix.
<AxelPolleres> we'll discuss the copy and move test cases next week and I'll drop paul a mail where he is regarding the update rewording.
<kasei> I'll update the test manifests with the new approval status.
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