RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 10 October 2012

Seen
Alex Hall, Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Arnaud Le Hors, Charles Greer, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Gavin Carothers, Gregg Kellogg, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Souripriya Das, Ted Thibodeau, Thomas Baker, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. accept the minutes of 2012-10-03 (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-10-03) link
  2. i18n-178 wedge in a not-too-contrived ref in section 7 Parsing: "and an optional language tag [BCP47] or datatype IRI" per editor's draft. link
  3. i18n-179 Turtle will not add a method to declare the language of the document. link
  4. i18n-180 add this markup [[ (<span class="codepoint">#005E</span>)"]] to the first reference to each character per the editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals>. link
  5. add example of non-ASCII IRI link
  6. i18n-182 -- No change link
  7. i18n-183 -- EricP to respond with "no change unless you have further input" link
  8. i18n-184 -- Use the text U+xx form [[ U+B7, U+300 to U+36F and U+203F to U+2040 are permitted anywhere except the first character. ]] per the editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#BNodes> link
  9. i18n-185 Alter the text introducing the 4th example in §3 to say " The line breaks in this example are LINE FEED characters (U+0A)." per editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-examples> link
  10. i18n-187 Turtle will continue to use \u \U escape syntax. link
  11. i18n-188 no change -- special handling of % in IRI link
  12. i18n-190 -- No change - follow XML ed 5 link
  13. i18n-191 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Oct/0017.html link
  14. i18n-192 Update ReSpec for doc. link
  15. i18n-193 - no change link
  16. i18n-186 : keep Turtle as UTF-8 link
  17. Leave Turtle in HTML in appendix, add stuff about escaping link
Topics
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14:55:51 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:55:51 <trackbot> Date: 10 October 2012
15:00:20 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:00:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see tbaker, AndyS, gavinc, Guus, Sandro

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15:00:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, AndyS, gkellogg, ivan, MacTed, tbaker, Guus, SteveH, mischat, gavinc, Arnaud, davidwood, manu1, manu, yvesr, trackbot, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, AndyS, gkellogg, ivan, MacTed, tbaker, Guus, SteveH, mischat, gavinc, Arnaud, davidwood, manu1, manu, yvesr, trackbot, ericP, sandro

15:04:01 <AZ> Zakim, who is here please?

Antoine Zimmermann: Zakim, who is here please?

15:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see tbaker, AndyS, gavinc, Guus, Sandro, yvesr, pchampin, cgreer, MacTed (muted), ivan, AZ, pfps, Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see tbaker, AndyS, gavinc, Guus, Sandro, yvesr, pchampin, cgreer, MacTed (muted), ivan, AZ, pfps, Arnaud

15:04:04 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aabb

15:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Souri, pfps, AlexHall, AZ, cgreer, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, gkellogg, ivan, MacTed, tbaker, Guus, SteveH, mischat, gavinc, Arnaud, davidwood, manu1, manu,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Souri, pfps, AlexHall, AZ, cgreer, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, gkellogg, ivan, MacTed, tbaker, Guus, SteveH, mischat, gavinc, Arnaud, davidwood, manu1, manu,

15:04:08 <Zakim> ... yvesr, trackbot, ericP, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... yvesr, trackbot, ericP, sandro

15:05:00 <Guus> chair: Guus
15:05:02 <AndyS> scribenick: AndyS

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

15:05:38 <AndyS> agenda - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.10.10

agenda - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.10.10

15:05:57 <AndyS> topic: admin

1. admin

15:06:24 <AndyS> minutes of last meeting -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-10-03

minutes of last meeting -- http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-10-03

15:06:30 <pfps> minutes look ok

Peter Patel-Schneider: minutes look ok

15:06:35 <AndyS> guus: accepted

Guus Schreiber: accepted

15:06:58 <AndyS> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of 2012-10-03 (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-10-03)

RESOLVED: accept the minutes of 2012-10-03 (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-10-03)

15:07:14 <AndyS> subtopic: action items

1.1. action items

15:08:08 <AndyS> no telecon 31 Oct (same week as face-to-face)

no telecon 31 Oct (same week as face-to-face)

15:08:18 <AndyS> topic: Turtle Last Call

2. Turtle Last Call

15:08:34 <AndyS> next meeting next week : 17 Oct

next meeting next week : 17 Oct

15:08:58 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments

15:09:01 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments

15:09:03 <AndyS> Guus: issue numbers are in I18N tracker.

Guus Schreiber: issue numbers are in I18N tracker.

15:10:07 <AndyS> (the proposals are linked to by Nack/ack)

(the proposals are linked to by Nack/ack)

15:10:20 <Zakim> + +1.650.265.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.650.265.aadd

15:10:34 <zwu2> zakim, +1.650.265.aadd is me

Zhe Wu: zakim, +1.650.265.aadd is me

15:10:34 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it

15:10:48 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:10:48 <Zakim> ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan should now be muted

15:10:55 <AndyS> ericP: 178 -- BCP 47 reference

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 178 -- BCP 47 reference

15:11:24 <Guus> PROPOSAL: wedge in a not-too-contrived ref in section 7 Parsing: "and an optional language tag [BCP47] or datatype IRI" per editor's draft.

PROPOSED: wedge in a not-too-contrived ref in section 7 Parsing: "and an optional language tag [BCP47] or datatype IRI" per editor's draft.

15:11:34 <gavinc> +1 already completed in ED

Gavin Carothers: +1 already completed in ED

15:11:54 <Zakim> +PatH

Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH

15:11:55 <AndyS> Guus: any discussion? no ...

Guus Schreiber: any discussion? no ...

15:12:04 <pfps> go for it

Peter Patel-Schneider: go for it

15:12:06 <MacTed> issue-178?

Ted Thibodeau: ISSUE-178?

15:12:06 <trackbot> ISSUE-178 does not exist

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-178 does not exist

15:12:18 <AndyS> ... resolved

... resolved

15:12:19 <gavinc> I18N-ISSUE-178?

Gavin Carothers: I18N-ISSUE-178?

15:12:35 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-178 wedge in a not-too-contrived ref in section 7 Parsing: "and an optional language tag [BCP47] or datatype IRI" per editor's draft.

RESOLVED: i18n-178 wedge in a not-too-contrived ref in section 7 Parsing: "and an optional language tag [BCP47] or datatype IRI" per editor's draft.

15:12:52 <AndyS> Guus: 179 ...

Guus Schreiber: 179 ...

15:13:13 <AndyS> gavinc: scope of language e.g. common langauge for all doc.

Gavin Carothers: scope of language e.g. common langauge for all doc.

15:13:20 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: Turtle will not add a method to declare the language of the document.

PROPOSED: Turtle will not add a method to declare the language of the document.

15:13:22 <AndyS> ... proposal - not to add

... proposal - not to add

15:13:24 <pfps> good idea to not do it

Peter Patel-Schneider: good idea to not do it

15:13:56 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-179 Turtle will not add a method to declare the language of the document.

RESOLVED: i18n-179 Turtle will not add a method to declare the language of the document.

15:14:09 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals

15:14:15 <patH> zakim, mute me

Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me

15:14:15 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: PatH should now be muted

15:14:17 <AndyS> guus: next ... 180 ...

Guus Schreiber: next ... 180 ...

15:14:46 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: add this markup [[ (<span class="codepoint">#005E</span>)"]]  to the first reference to each character per the editor's draft  <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals>.

PROPOSED: add this markup [[ (<span class="codepoint">#005E</span>)"]] to the first reference to each character per the editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals>.

15:15:06 <pfps> obnoxious, but probably a good idea

Peter Patel-Schneider: obnoxious, but probably a good idea

15:15:46 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-180 add this markup [[ (<span class="codepoint">#005E</span>)"]]  to the first reference to each character per the editor's draft  <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals>.

RESOLVED: i18n-180 add this markup [[ (<span class="codepoint">#005E</span>)"]] to the first reference to each character per the editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals>.

15:15:58 <patH> good+obnoxious = medicinal?

Patrick Hayes: good+obnoxious = medicinal?

15:16:05 <AndyS> guus: ... 181 ...

Guus Schreiber: ... 181 ...

15:16:20 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#turtle-literals

15:16:26 <pfps> sounds reasonable

Peter Patel-Schneider: sounds reasonable

15:17:01 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: i18n-181 add  example of non-ASCII IRI

PROPOSED: i18n-181 add example of non-ASCII IRI

15:17:09 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:17:16 <AndyS> RESOLVED: add  example of non-ASCII IRI

RESOLVED: add example of non-ASCII IRI

15:17:32 <AndyS> guus: ... 182 ...

Guus Schreiber: ... 182 ...

15:18:09 <AndyS> ericP: need a sublanguage example.  Don't see how it can be better.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: need a sublanguage example. Don't see how it can be better.

15:18:20 <pchampin> well for the record, we had this TV show in France :)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: well for the record, we had this TV show in France :)

15:18:28 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:18:30 <pfps> ok by me

Peter Patel-Schneider: ok by me

15:18:32 <patH> agree this is a good example.

Patrick Hayes: agree this is a good example.

15:19:23 <AndyS> pchampin: could use colour/color in @en

Pierre-Antoine Champin: could use colour/color in @en

15:19:47 <gavinc> ack pchampin

Gavin Carothers: ack pchampin

15:19:54 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: 182 -- No change

PROPOSED: 182 -- No change

15:20:03 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-182 -- No change

RESOLVED: i18n-182 -- No change

15:20:14 <ericP> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#abbrev

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#abbrev

15:21:02 <AndyS> ericP: 183 -- work in progress

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 183 -- work in progress

15:21:18 <AZ> example -- my:productInStock   :hasQuantity  10

Antoine Zimmermann: example -- my:productInStock :hasQuantity 10

15:21:26 <pfps> you could always cheat and have the property be something like usdebtindollars

Peter Patel-Schneider: you could always cheat and have the property be something like usdebtindollars

15:22:25 <AndyS> gavinc: good relations as a source of examples? Need xsd:double as well.

Gavin Carothers: good relations as a source of examples? Need xsd:double as well.

15:22:30 <gkellogg> Avagadro's Number?

Gregg Kellogg: Avagadro's Number?

15:22:34 <patH> engineering data uses doubles somewhere?

Patrick Hayes: engineering data uses doubles somewhere?

15:23:03 <patH> Check out ISO definition of a mole.

Patrick Hayes: Check out ISO definition of a mole.

15:23:27 <patH> Aaaarghhhh

Patrick Hayes: Aaaarghhhh

15:23:35 <patH> I will attempt it.

Patrick Hayes: I will attempt it.

15:23:51 <pfps> along the same lines, one could use dimensionless constants

Peter Patel-Schneider: along the same lines, one could use dimensionless constants

15:24:04 <AndyS> gavinc: 183 still open at the moment

Gavin Carothers: 183 still open at the moment

15:24:09 <AndyS> guus: need a plan

Guus Schreiber: need a plan

15:24:29 <AndyS> ericP: ping with nack unless you (i18n) have an example

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ping with nack unless you (i18n) have an example

15:24:37 <pfps> fine, as long as we close the issue pending further input

Peter Patel-Schneider: fine, as long as we close the issue pending further input

15:24:52 <ivan> +1 to pfps

Ivan Herman: +1 to pfps

15:25:24 <AndyS> PROPOSED: i18n-183 -- EricP to respond with "no change unless you have further input"

PROPOSED: i18n-183 -- EricP to respond with "no change unless you have further input"

15:25:37 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-183 -- EricP to respond with "no change unless you have further input"

RESOLVED: i18n-183 -- EricP to respond with "no change unless you have further input"

15:25:46 <AndyS> guus: ... 184 ...

Guus Schreiber: ... 184 ...

15:25:51 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/mid/20121002044103.GD27799@w3.org

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/mid/20121002044103.GD27799@w3.org

15:26:14 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

15:26:33 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:26:39 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-184 -- Use the text U+xx form [[ U+B7, U+300 to U+36F and U+203F to U+2040 are permitted anywhere except the first character. ]] per the editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#BNodes>

RESOLVED: i18n-184 -- Use the text U+xx form [[ U+B7, U+300 to U+36F and U+203F to U+2040 are permitted anywhere except the first character. ]] per the editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#BNodes>

15:27:03 <AndyS> ACTION EricP Respond to i18n for issue 183

ACTION EricP Respond to i18n for ISSUE-183

15:27:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Respond to i18n for issue 183 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-10-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-188 - Respond to i18n for ISSUE-183 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-10-17].

15:27:42 <AndyS> ericP: line terminators 185

Eric Prud'hommeaux: line terminators 185

15:27:45 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: Alter the text introducing the 4th example in §3 to say " The  line breaks in this example are LINE FEED characters (U+0A)." per  editor's draft  <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-examples>

PROPOSED: Alter the text introducing the 4th example in §3 to say " The line breaks in this example are LINE FEED characters (U+0A)." per editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-examples>

15:27:47 <pfps> picky, but works for me

Peter Patel-Schneider: picky, but works for me

15:28:03 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-185 Alter the text introducing the 4th example in §3 to say " The  line breaks in this example are LINE FEED characters (U+0A)." per  editor's draft  <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-examples>

RESOLVED: i18n-185 Alter the text introducing the 4th example in §3 to say " The line breaks in this example are LINE FEED characters (U+0A)." per editor's draft <http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-examples>

15:28:29 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: Turtle will continue to use \u \U escape syntax.

PROPOSED: Turtle will continue to use \u \U escape syntax.

15:28:32 <AndyS> gavinc: 187 -- \u escape

Gavin Carothers: 187 -- \u escape

15:28:35 <pfps> agreed, we are not going to fix this issue

Peter Patel-Schneider: agreed, we are not going to fix this issue

15:28:40 <patH> +1

Patrick Hayes: +1

15:28:58 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-187 Turtle will continue to use \u \U escape syntax.

RESOLVED: i18n-187 Turtle will continue to use \u \U escape syntax.

15:29:07 <pfps> well, we are following the crowd, which may not be going in the "right" direction

Peter Patel-Schneider: well, we are following the crowd, which may not be going in the "right" direction

15:29:50 <AndyS> ericP: 188 - special handling of % in IRI

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 188 - special handling of % in IRI

15:30:19 <AndyS> ... what we have is correct - discussion has happened already.

... what we have is correct - discussion has happened already.

15:30:28 <gavinc> damn, ISSUE-186 is for us

Gavin Carothers: damn, ISSUE-186 is for us

15:31:01 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments#189:_.5BS.5D_reference_obs-language-tag_instead_of_defining_your_own

Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/I18n-Comments#189:_.5BS.5D_reference_obs-language-tag_instead_of_defining_your_own

15:31:08 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-188 no change -- special handling of % in IRI

RESOLVED: i18n-188 no change -- special handling of % in IRI

15:31:51 <AndyS> ericP: ... 189 ... advice from BCP 47 for language tags

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... 189 ... advice from BCP 47 for language tags

15:32:07 <AndyS> ... ABNF is quite complicated and much more than RFC.

... ABNF is quite complicated and much more than RFC.

15:32:43 <AndyS> ... historical was 8 char/numbers per section between the "-"

... historical was 8 char/numbers per section between the "-"

15:33:24 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: Use {1,8} in lang tag production and {..} for \u \U escapes

PROPOSED: Use {1,8} in lang tag production and {..} for \u \U escapes

15:33:51 <AndyS> (variation to SPARQL) Minor

(variation to SPARQL) Minor

15:33:51 <gavinc> +q to say nothing is wrong

Gavin Carothers: +q to say nothing is wrong

15:34:48 <AndyS> gavinc: adding {1,8} does not make full checking happen so nothing changes really.

Gavin Carothers: adding {1,8} does not make full checking happen so nothing changes really.

15:35:08 <AndyS> ... already have to do further checking so little value in adding to Turtle

... already have to do further checking so little value in adding to Turtle

15:35:15 <patH> could pont that out in the prose, though.

Patrick Hayes: could pont that out in the prose, though.

15:35:18 <AndyS> ... no need to complicate the grammar

... no need to complicate the grammar

15:35:26 <AndyS> (c.f. RD/XML)

(c.f. RD/XML)

15:35:27 <patH> since apparently they missed it.

Patrick Hayes: since apparently they missed it.

15:35:29 <AndyS> (c.f. RDF/XML)

(c.f. RDF/XML)

15:35:41 <gavinc> Zakim, who is talking

Gavin Carothers: Zakim, who is talking

15:35:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', gavinc

15:35:43 <gavinc> Zakim, who is talking?

Gavin Carothers: Zakim, who is talking?

15:35:45 <AndyS> ack gavinc

ack gavinc

15:35:45 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to say nothing is wrong

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to say nothing is wrong

15:35:53 <Zakim> gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (14%)

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (14%)

15:36:45 <AndyS> guus: one more week to agree and on agenda next week

Guus Schreiber: one more week to agree and on agenda next week

15:36:54 <AndyS> sandro: what moves this on?

Sandro Hawke: what moves this on?

15:37:04 <AndyS> ericP: ericP and gavinc to email on list

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ericP and gavinc to email on list

15:37:14 <AndyS> guus: editors to agree

Guus Schreiber: editors to agree

15:37:23 <AndyS> ... i18n 190

... i18n 190

15:37:37 <AndyS> ... " attempting to erase combining marks?"

... " attempting to erase combining marks?"

15:38:56 <AndyS> PROPOSAL: i18n-190 -- No change - follow XML ed 5

PROPOSED: i18n-190 -- No change - follow XML ed 5

15:39:27 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-190 -- No change - follow XML ed 5

RESOLVED: i18n-190 -- No change - follow XML ed 5

15:39:35 <AndyS> guus: ... 191 ...

Guus Schreiber: ... 191 ...

15:39:52 <AndyS> ericP: editorial matters

Eric Prud'hommeaux: editorial matters

15:40:16 <AndyS> ... one change proposed otherwise already covered

... one change proposed otherwise already covered

15:40:55 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-191 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Oct/0017.html

RESOLVED: i18n-191 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Oct/0017.html

15:41:29 <ericP> https://github.com/darobin/respec/blob/f7f242642de460e73dcbbb509efb582925b4c6ac/bibref/biblio.js

Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://github.com/darobin/respec/blob/f7f242642de460e73dcbbb509efb582925b4c6ac/bibref/biblio.js

15:41:30 <AndyS> guus: ... 192 ...

Guus Schreiber: ... 192 ...

15:41:53 <gkellogg> Issue a pull request against robin's Git repo

Gregg Kellogg: Issue a pull request against robin's Git repo

15:42:05 <AndyS> gavinc: will do it (ReSpec and reference issue)

Gavin Carothers: will do it (ReSpec and reference issue)

15:42:27 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-192 Update ReSpec for doc.

RESOLVED: i18n-192 Update ReSpec for doc.

15:42:57 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin to finish i18n-192

Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin to finish i18n-192

15:42:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Finish i18n-192 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-10-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-189 - Finish i18n-192 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-10-17].

15:42:58 <AndyS> action: gavinc - send an ack to the comments list an di18n for 192

ACTION: gavinc - send an ack to the comments list an di18n for 192

15:42:58 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find gavinc. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/users>.

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15:43:24 <patH> "anack" (noun): a state of total confusion about what to do next.

Patrick Hayes: "anack" (noun): a state of total confusion about what to do next.

15:43:59 <AndyS> ericP: 193 - no change

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 193 - no change

15:44:11 <AndyS> ... good to have someone double check.

... good to have someone double check.

15:44:25 <AndyS> ... the escape processing text

... the escape processing text

15:44:40 <AndyS> gavinc: 3rd party confirms it works

Gavin Carothers: 3rd party confirms it works

15:44:55 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-193 - no change

RESOLVED: i18n-193 - no change

15:45:05 <AndyS> guus: ... missed 186 ...

Guus Schreiber: ... missed 186 ...

15:45:26 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

15:45:26 <Zakim> ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ivan should no longer be muted

15:45:29 <AndyS> gavinc: i18n suggests not just UTF-8

Gavin Carothers: i18n suggests not just UTF-8

15:45:38 <AndyS> ... XML is not a good example.

... XML is not a good example.

15:45:52 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/186

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/186

15:45:58 <AndyS> ericP: agree - no change

Eric Prud'hommeaux: agree - no change

15:46:27 <AndyS> PROPOSED: i18n-186 : keep Turtle as UTF-8

PROPOSED: i18n-186 : keep Turtle as UTF-8

15:47:18 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:47:52 <AndyS> andys: a perma-issue on support lists

Andy Seaborne: a perma-issue on support lists

15:48:11 <AndyS> ivan: deployed practice is UTF-8

Ivan Herman: deployed practice is UTF-8

15:48:23 <AndyS> RESOLVED: i18n-186 : keep Turtle as UTF-8

RESOLVED: i18n-186 : keep Turtle as UTF-8

15:49:12 <AndyS> action: gavin -- respond for i18n 187

ACTION: gavin -- respond for i18n 187

15:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-190 - -- respond for i18n 187 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-10-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-190 - -- respond for i18n 187 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-10-17].

15:49:40 <AndyS> ACTION-190 respond for i18n 186

ACTION-190 respond for i18n 186

15:49:40 <trackbot> ACTION-190 -- respond for i18n 187 notes added

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-190 -- respond for i18n 187 notes added

15:50:07 <AndyS> guus: other comments

Guus Schreiber: other comments

15:51:02 <AndyS> gavinc: already done .. no response

Gavin Carothers: already done .. no response

15:51:15 <AndyS> ... rest minor editorial

... rest minor editorial

15:51:48 <AndyS> ... except TTL+HTML section to separate Note

... except TTL+HTML section to separate Note

15:52:16 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:53:38 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:54:07 <AndyS> guus: prefer appendix

Guus Schreiber: prefer appendix

15:54:23 <AndyS> sandro: use of script tag?

Sandro Hawke: use of script tag?

15:54:24 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:54:55 <AndyS> gavinc: problem is Turtle with an end script tag in content.

Gavin Carothers: problem is Turtle with an end script tag in content.

15:54:56 <gkellogg> Or CDATA?

Gregg Kellogg: Or CDATA?

15:55:14 <gkellogg> :-P

Gregg Kellogg: :-P

15:55:52 <AndyS> sandro: useful to put into the spec as good practice

Sandro Hawke: useful to put into the spec as good practice

15:56:27 <AndyS> gkellogg: JSON-LD does not talk about this - not TTL specific - generic for embedding in <script>

Gregg Kellogg: JSON-LD does not talk about this - not TTL specific - generic for embedding in <script>

15:56:41 <AndyS> ... e.g. n-triples

... e.g. n-triples

15:57:02 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

15:57:43 <patH> Not following all of the detail, but I hear violent agreement and people saying the spec should draw attention to it. So, editorial. Case closed?

Patrick Hayes: Not following all of the detail, but I hear violent agreement and people saying the spec should draw attention to it. So, editorial. Case closed?

15:57:46 <AndyS> sandro: give an escaping example

Sandro Hawke: give an escaping example

15:58:11 <AndyS> gavinc: I can add it

Gavin Carothers: I can add it

15:59:37 <AndyS> guus: propose to be an appendix

Guus Schreiber: propose to be an appendix

15:59:45 <gavinc> RESOLVED: Leave Turtle in HTML in appendix, add stuff about escaping

RESOLVED: Leave Turtle in HTML in appendix, add stuff about escaping

16:00:17 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin add escaping to Turtle in HTML

Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin add escaping to Turtle in HTML

16:00:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-191 - Add escaping to Turtle in HTML [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-10-17].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-191 - Add escaping to Turtle in HTML [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-10-17].

16:01:10 <gavinc> ISSUE Turtle in HTML doesn't explain escaping

Gavin Carothers: ISSUE Turtle in HTML doesn't explain escaping

16:01:15 <gavinc> ISSUE: Turtle in HTML doesn't explain escaping

ISSUE: Turtle in HTML doesn't explain escaping

16:01:16 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-100 - Turtle in HTML doesn't explain escaping ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/100/edit .

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-100 - Turtle in HTML doesn't explain escaping ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/100/edit .

16:01:31 <AndyS> guus: What is then the status of Turtle?

Guus Schreiber: What is then the status of Turtle?

16:01:45 <Zakim> +Sandro.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro.a

16:01:45 <AndyS> ... do we need 2LC or can we go to CR?

... do we need 2LC or can we go to CR?

16:01:47 <AndyS> q+

q+

16:01:50 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

16:02:20 <AndyS> ack me

ack me

16:02:26 <AndyS> andys: test suite?

Andy Seaborne: test suite?

16:02:47 <AndyS> guus: I believe we do not need 2LC

Guus Schreiber: I believe we do not need 2LC

16:03:51 <AndyS> ... we are in a position to ask for CR when responds come in.

... we are in a position to ask for CR when responds come in.

16:03:56 <AndyS> ... test suite

... test suite

16:04:06 <AndyS> ... needed for CR

... needed for CR

16:04:35 <AndyS> ericP: test suite -- original submission had some tests.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: test suite -- original submission had some tests.

16:05:27 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:05:28 <AndyS> ... in SPARQL - separate test doc - inputs, outputs, there is N-triples as a reference

... in SPARQL - separate test doc - inputs, outputs, there is N-triples as a reference

16:05:42 <AndyS> ... in SPARQL - separate test doc .  For TTL, inputs, outputs, there is N-triples as a reference

... in SPARQL - separate test doc . For TTL, inputs, outputs, there is N-triples as a reference

16:06:19 <Guus> ack ivan

Guus Schreiber: ack ivan

16:06:23 <AndyS> q+ to suggest splitting into syntax (yes/no) and triple output

q+ to suggest splitting into syntax (yes/no) and triple output

16:07:21 <AndyS> ivan: may be tricky to get an impl report because already widely deployed so not really watching closely.  They will update later, not during W3C process

Ivan Herman: may be tricky to get an impl report because already widely deployed so not really watching closely. They will update later, not during W3C process

16:07:33 <Guus> ack AndyS

Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS

16:07:33 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to suggest splitting into syntax (yes/no) and triple output

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to suggest splitting into syntax (yes/no) and triple output

16:08:39 <gavinc> +q to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

Gavin Carothers: +q to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

16:08:47 <AndyS> andys: Jena will run the tests.

Andy Seaborne: Jena will run the tests.

16:09:05 <Guus> ack gavin

Guus Schreiber: ack gavin

16:09:05 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

16:09:10 <gavinc> +q to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

Gavin Carothers: +q to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

16:09:28 <Guus> ack gavin

Guus Schreiber: ack gavin

16:09:28 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc, you wanted to NOT specify in the tests what to do for invalidity

16:09:29 <AndyS> ack gavinc

ack gavinc

16:10:02 <AndyS> gavinc: want to be loose to be outside bad TTL and do recovery or graceful non-spec usage

Gavin Carothers: want to be loose to be outside bad TTL and do recovery or graceful non-spec usage

16:10:29 <patH> Whoa. I think having optional recovery is a BAD idea.

Patrick Hayes: Whoa. I think having optional recovery is a BAD idea.

16:11:08 <patH> There are lots of published warnings about how this ruins interoperability and leads to nonstandard-creep.

Patrick Hayes: There are lots of published warnings about how this ruins interoperability and leads to nonstandard-creep.

16:11:29 <patH> I vote AGAINST this.

Patrick Hayes: I vote AGAINST this.

16:11:34 <AndyS> sandro: describe in the conformance section - just need to be clear what the spec says

Sandro Hawke: describe in the conformance section - just need to be clear what the spec says

16:11:54 <patH> PLease record my negative vote.

Patrick Hayes: PLease record my negative vote.

16:12:05 <AndyS> path - we do not specify what the recovery is -- this is not fortran 4

path - we do not specify what the recovery is -- this is not fortran 4

16:12:06 <ericP> patH, i think you'd be content with the mechanics

Eric Prud'hommeaux: patH, i think you'd be content with the mechanics

16:12:47 <ericP> that is, the negative syntax tests are specifically not turtle, but you don't have to reject them all to be a conformant turtle parser

Eric Prud'hommeaux: that is, the negative syntax tests are specifically not turtle, but you don't have to reject them all to be a conformant turtle parser

16:13:02 <AndyS> sandro: timescale? CR start end Oct?  For ISWC

Sandro Hawke: timescale? CR start end Oct? For ISWC

16:13:12 <ericP> (having uttered that, i'm not confident that you'd agree with that)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: (having uttered that, i'm not confident that you'd agree with that)

16:13:40 <AndyS> ivan: exit crtieria? test organisation?

Ivan Herman: exit crtieria? test organisation?

16:14:39 <AndyS> ... TPAC non-publish period

... TPAC non-publish period

16:15:05 <AndyS> guus: chairs+team will sort out the timing

Guus Schreiber: chairs+team will sort out the timing

16:15:24 <AndyS> ... ericP and gavinc to complete actions in a timely fashion.

... ericP and gavinc to complete actions in a timely fashion.

16:15:50 <AndyS> gavinc: will need help on test suite

Gavin Carothers: will need help on test suite

16:17:06 <AndyS> sandro: do we approve en mass?

Sandro Hawke: do we approve en mass?

16:17:14 <gkellogg> do you have a reference to the test suite?

Gregg Kellogg: do you have a reference to the test suite?

16:17:55 <AndyS> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED

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16:18:54 <Guus> trackbot, end meeting

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16:19:03 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/10-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

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16:19:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavinc - send an ack to the comments list an di18n for 192 [1]

ACTION: gavinc - send an ack to the comments list an di18n for 192 [1]

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16:19:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: gavin -- respond for i18n 187 [2]

ACTION: gavin -- respond for i18n 187 [2]

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