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14:56:42 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/03/14-rdf-wg-irc
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14:56:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:56:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be 73394 ←
14:56:46 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes ←
14:56:47 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:56:47 <trackbot> Date: 14 March 2012
14:57:31 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started ←
14:57:32 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aaaa ←
14:57:38 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
14:57:39 <Zakim> -Tony
Scribe problem: the name 'Tony' does not match any of the 47 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Charles Greer Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Arnaud Le Hors Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tony ←
14:57:39 <Zakim> +Tony
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tony ←
14:57:45 <gavinc> Zakim, aaaa is me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:57:45 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
14:58:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:58:05 <Zakim> +sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro ←
14:58:13 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
14:58:13 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:59:22 <ScottB> Zakim, Tony is temporarily me
Scott Bauer: Zakim, Tony is temporarily me ←
14:59:22 <Zakim> +ScottB; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ScottB; got it ←
15:00:03 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aabb ←
15:00:52 <AlexHall> zakim, aabb is me
Alex Hall: zakim, aabb is me ←
15:00:52 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall; got it ←
15:00:58 <Zakim> +Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> + +1.213.271.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.213.271.aacc ←
15:01:48 <AZ> zakim, aacc is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, aacc is me ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:02:35 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud, AlexHall, Guus, AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud, AlexHall, Guus, AZ ←
15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see LeeF, AlexHall, Arnaud, SteveH, AZ, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, pchampin, Guus, ScottB, danbri, AndyS_, yvesr, NickH, trackbot, mdmdm, manu, manu1, sandro, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see LeeF, AlexHall, Arnaud, SteveH, AZ, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, pchampin, Guus, ScottB, danbri, AndyS_, yvesr, NickH, trackbot, mdmdm, manu, manu1, sandro, ericP ←
15:03:28 <pchampin> stuck in my previous meeting, can not dial in for the moment, sorry
Pierre-Antoine Champin: stuck in my previous meeting, can not dial in for the moment, sorry ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> +??P41
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P41 ←
15:03:53 <SteveH> Zakim, ??P41 is me
Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P41 is me ←
15:03:56 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH; got it ←
15:04:57 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:05:48 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:05:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2 ←
15:06:31 <Zakim> +zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2 ←
15:06:39 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
15:06:39 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
15:06:45 <danbri> regrets from me; on a trip
Dan Brickley: regrets from me; on a trip ←
15:07:09 <AlexHall> i'll scribe.
15:07:34 <AlexHall> scribe: alexhall
(Scribe set to Alex Hall)
15:07:45 <AlexHall> topic: Admin
15:08:30 <AlexHall> guus: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 7 Mar telecon
Guus Schreiber: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 7 Mar telecon ←
15:08:31 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink] ←
15:08:39 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
15:08:39 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:08:41 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:08:41 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:08:43 <AlexHall> RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 7 Mar telecon
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 7 Mar telecon ←
15:09:52 <AlexHall> topic: Action Item review
15:10:04 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open ←
15:10:12 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:10:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud (muted), AlexHall, Guus, AZ, SteveH, EricP, zwu2 (muted), MacTed (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud (muted), AlexHall, Guus, AZ, SteveH, EricP, zwu2 (muted), MacTed (muted) ←
15:10:57 <AlexHall> sandro: nobody here has open action item
Sandro Hawke: nobody here has open action item ←
15:11:37 <AlexHall> ... (aside from guus and sandro, and these aren't done).
... (aside from guus and sandro, and these aren't done). ←
15:11:39 <Zakim> +cgreer
Zakim IRC Bot: +cgreer ←
15:12:02 <AlexHall> guus: reminder, 1 hour earlier for europeans next week, then back to regular schedule
Guus Schreiber: reminder, 1 hour earlier for europeans next week, then back to regular schedule ←
15:12:05 <AlexHall> topic: Turtle
15:12:37 <ericP> ISSUE-67: \xxxx escaping in prefixed names
Scribe problem: the name 'ISSUE-67' does not match any of the 47 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Jean-François Baget Adrien BASSE Scott Bauer Dan Brickley Matteo Brunati Gaoussou CAMARA Gavin Carothers Jeremy Carroll Pierre-Antoine Champin Kiu Ching Chieh Olivier Corby Richard Cyganiak Souripriya Das Lee Feigenbaum Fabien Gandon Charles Greer Alex Hall Steve Harris Michael Hausenblas Sandro Hawke Patrick Hayes Ivan Herman Nicholas Humfrey Kingsley Idehen Arnaud Le Hors Dickson Lukose Christopher Matheus Ivan Mikhailov Peter Patel-Schneider Eric Prud'hommeaux Yves Raimond Nathan Rixham Guus Schreiber Andy Seaborne Manu Sporny Thomas Steiner Mouhamadou THIAM Ted Thibodeau William Waites Jan Wielemaker David Wood Zhe Wu Mohamed ZERGAOUI Antoine Zimmermann Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ISSUE-67: \xxxx escaping in prefixed names [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ] ←
15:12:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-67 \xxxx escaping in prefixed names notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 \xxxx escaping in prefixed names notes added ←
15:13:16 <AlexHall> guus: would like to close issue 67 before moving on
Guus Schreiber: would like to close ISSUE-67 before moving on ←
15:13:38 <gavinc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes
Gavin Carothers: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes ←
15:13:49 <AlexHall> eric: text has been committed to hg
Eric Prud'hommeaux: text has been committed to hg ←
15:13:52 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:14:18 <AlexHall> ... believe this text addresses that by saying \uxxxx is a numeric escape, and that these are allowed in IRIs but not in other places
... believe this text addresses that by saying \uxxxx is a numeric escape, and that these are allowed in IRIs but not in other places ←
15:14:59 <AndyS> Strings?
Andy Seaborne: Strings? ←
15:15:04 <AlexHall> guus: add link to minutes where we discussed this in the issue notes, close the issue
Guus Schreiber: add link to minutes where we discussed this in the issue notes, close the issue ←
15:16:26 <AlexHall> gavin: we do allow numeric escapes in strings, this disagrees with the text
Gavin Carothers: we do allow numeric escapes in strings, this disagrees with the text ←
15:17:16 <AlexHall> eric: history is that richard didn't want escapes in prefix names, claimed it needlessly complicated things
Eric Prud'hommeaux: history is that richard didn't want escapes in prefix names, claimed it needlessly complicated things ←
15:17:18 <AlexHall> q+
q+ ←
15:17:22 <AndyS> SPARQL allows \u in strings (and local parts for that matter). Must keep strings.
Andy Seaborne: SPARQL allows \u in strings (and local parts for that matter). Must keep strings. ←
15:18:08 <AlexHall> ... thought we agreed to eliminate escapes from prefix names to align with SPARQL
... thought we agreed to eliminate escapes from prefix names to align with SPARQL ←
15:18:33 <AlexHall> andy: unicode numeric escapes allowed in IRIs, strings, local part of prefix names in SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: unicode numeric escapes allowed in IRIs, strings, local part of prefix names in SPARQL ←
15:19:06 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
15:19:35 <AlexHall> ... they are needed in IRIs and strings to account for N-Triples
... they are needed in IRIs and strings to account for N-Triples ←
15:19:43 <Guus> ack AlexHall
Guus Schreiber: ack AlexHall ←
15:20:27 <gavinc> AlexHall: I thought the original disagreement was to allow numeric escapes in prefix names. I thought we agreed not to do that, but allow the reserved char escapes.
Alex Hall: I thought the original disagreement was to allow numeric escapes in prefix names. I thought we agreed not to do that, but allow the reserved char escapes. [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
15:21:41 <AndyS> As of today's grammar update \u is not permitted in SPARQL local names.
Andy Seaborne: As of today's grammar update \u is not permitted in SPARQL local names. ←
15:21:52 <gavinc> AlexHall: I thought we'd agreed that numeric escapes should not be allowed in local names
Alex Hall: I thought we'd agreed that numeric escapes should not be allowed in local names [ Scribe Assist by Gavin Carothers ] ←
15:22:42 <AlexHall> andy: preference is to allow numeric escapes in IRIs and strings for SPARQL
Andy Seaborne: preference is to allow numeric escapes in IRIs and strings for SPARQL ←
15:22:54 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar
PROPOSED: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar ←
15:23:54 <AlexHall> sandro: are qnames/prefixed names allowed in n-triples?
Sandro Hawke: are qnames/prefixed names allowed in n-triples? ←
15:24:21 <AlexHall> gavin: no, they are not, but part of the grammar is in there as bnode labels
Gavin Carothers: no, they are not, but part of the grammar is in there as bnode labels ←
15:24:59 <AlexHall> ... use cases for having numeric escapes in IRI/string literals is to support people with ASCII-only editors
... use cases for having numeric escapes in IRI/string literals is to support people with ASCII-only editors ←
15:25:30 <AlexHall> ... and to support existing documents to be used unchanged
... and to support existing documents to be used unchanged ←
15:26:35 <sandro> I'm surprised to see \\ is not a reserved character escape sequence.
Sandro Hawke: I'm surprised to see \\ is not a reserved character escape sequence. ←
15:27:10 <PatH> Apologies for lateness, dialling in ASAP.
Patrick Hayes: Apologies for lateness, dialling in ASAP. ←
15:27:32 <AlexHall> alexhall: the turtle grammar does not match the sparql grammar for prefixed names
Alex Hall: the turtle grammar does not match the sparql grammar for prefixed names ←
15:27:37 <sandro> PatH, no worries, we just talking about character escaping in Turtle at the moment.
Sandro Hawke: PatH, no worries, we just talking about character escaping in Turtle at the moment. ←
15:28:10 <PatH> Oh then I might just go back to bed...
Patrick Hayes: Oh then I might just go back to bed... ←
15:28:28 <sandro> +0 either way is fine with me
Sandro Hawke: +0 either way is fine with me ←
15:28:32 <AlexHall> guus: think we've talked enough about this, can we go ahead and make a proposal?
Guus Schreiber: think we've talked enough about this, can we go ahead and make a proposal? ←
15:28:40 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar. Eg, remove \u escaping from Prefixed Local Names
PROPOSED: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar. Eg, remove \u escaping from Prefixed Local Names ←
15:28:49 <sandro> PatH, I think we're almost done, the'll we'll be ready to argue with you.
Sandro Hawke: PatH, I think we're almost done, the'll we'll be ready to argue with you. ←
15:28:52 <sandro> +0 either way is fine with me
Sandro Hawke: +0 either way is fine with me ←
15:28:58 <ericP> +0 want consensus
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +0 want consensus ←
15:29:19 <gavinc> +1 for text agreeing with grammar
Gavin Carothers: +1 for text agreeing with grammar ←
15:29:59 <AlexHall> RESOLVED�01: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar. Eg, remove \u escaping from Prefixed Local Name�
RESOLVED�01: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar. Eg, remove \u escaping from Prefixed Local Name� ←
15:30:34 <gavinc> ACTION gavinc to fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names
Gavin Carothers: ACTION gavinc to fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names ←
15:30:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - gavinc
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - gavinc ←
15:30:40 <gavinc> ACTION Gavin to fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names
Gavin Carothers: ACTION Gavin to fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names ←
15:30:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-150 - Fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-150 - Fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21]. ←
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