IRC log of rdf-wg on 2012-03-14

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 73394
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ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 14 March 2012
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+ +1.707.861.aaaa
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+Tony
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-Tony
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+Tony
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Zakim, aaaa is me
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+gavinc; got it
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+[IPcaller]
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+sandro
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zakim, IPCaller is me
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+AndyS; got it
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Zakim, Tony is temporarily me
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+ScottB; got it
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+Arnaud
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+ +1.443.212.aabb
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zakim, aabb is me
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+AlexHall; got it
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+Guus
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+ +1.213.271.aacc
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zakim, aacc is me
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+AZ; got it
15:02:35 [Guus]
zakim, who is here?
15:02:35 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud, AlexHall, Guus, AZ
15:02:37 [Zakim]
On IRC I see LeeF, AlexHall, Arnaud, SteveH, AZ, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, pchampin, Guus, ScottB, danbri, AndyS_, yvesr, NickH, trackbot, mdmdm, manu, manu1, sandro, ericP
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15:03:28 [pchampin]
stuck in my previous meeting, can not dial in for the moment, sorry
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+??P41
15:03:53 [SteveH]
Zakim, ??P41 is me
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+SteveH; got it
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+EricP
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zakim, code?
15:05:48 [Zakim]
the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
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+zwu2
15:06:39 [zwu2]
zakim, mute me
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zwu2 should now be muted
15:06:45 [danbri]
regrets from me; on a trip
15:07:09 [AlexHall]
i'll scribe.
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scribe: alexhall
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topic: Admin
15:08:30 [AlexHall]
guus: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 7 Mar telecon
15:08:31 [Zakim]
+[OpenLink]
15:08:39 [MacTed]
Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
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+MacTed; got it
15:08:41 [MacTed]
Zakim, mute me
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MacTed should now be muted
15:08:43 [AlexHall]
RESOLVED to accept the minutes of the 7 Mar telecon
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topic: Action Item review
15:10:04 [sandro]
http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/open
15:10:12 [sandro]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:10:12 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud (muted), AlexHall, Guus, AZ, SteveH, EricP, zwu2 (muted), MacTed (muted)
15:10:57 [AlexHall]
sandro: nobody here has open action item
15:11:37 [AlexHall]
... (aside from guus and sandro, and these aren't done).
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+cgreer
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15:12:02 [AlexHall]
guus: reminder, 1 hour earlier for europeans next week, then back to regular schedule
15:12:05 [AlexHall]
topic: Turtle
15:12:37 [ericP]
ISSUE-67: \xxxx escaping in prefixed names
15:12:37 [trackbot]
ISSUE-67 \xxxx escaping in prefixed names notes added
15:13:16 [AlexHall]
guus: would like to close issue 67 before moving on
15:13:38 [gavinc]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes
15:13:49 [AlexHall]
eric: text has been committed to hg
15:13:52 [Zakim]
+LeeF
15:14:18 [AlexHall]
... believe this text addresses that by saying \uxxxx is a numeric escape, and that these are allowed in IRIs but not in other places
15:14:59 [AndyS]
Strings?
15:15:04 [AlexHall]
guus: add link to minutes where we discussed this in the issue notes, close the issue
15:16:26 [AlexHall]
gavin: we do allow numeric escapes in strings, this disagrees with the text
15:17:16 [AlexHall]
eric: history is that richard didn't want escapes in prefix names, claimed it needlessly complicated things
15:17:18 [AlexHall]
q+
15:17:22 [AndyS]
SPARQL allows \u in strings (and local parts for that matter). Must keep strings.
15:18:08 [AlexHall]
... thought we agreed to eliminate escapes from prefix names to align with SPARQL
15:18:33 [AlexHall]
andy: unicode numeric escapes allowed in IRIs, strings, local part of prefix names in SPARQL
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q?
15:19:35 [AlexHall]
... they are needed in IRIs and strings to account for N-Triples
15:19:43 [Guus]
ack AlexHall
15:20:27 [gavinc]
AlexHall: I thought the original disagreement was to allow numeric escapes in prefix names. I thought we agreed not to do that, but allow the reserved char escapes.
15:21:41 [AndyS]
As of today's grammar update \u is not permitted in SPARQL local names.
15:21:52 [gavinc]
AlexHall: I thought we'd agreed that numeric escapes should not be allowed in local names
15:22:42 [AlexHall]
andy: preference is to allow numeric escapes in IRIs and strings for SPARQL
15:22:54 [gavinc]
PROPOSAL: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar
15:23:54 [AlexHall]
sandro: are qnames/prefixed names allowed in n-triples?
15:24:21 [AlexHall]
gavin: no, they are not, but part of the grammar is in there as bnode labels
15:24:59 [AlexHall]
... use cases for having numeric escapes in IRI/string literals is to support people with ASCII-only editors
15:25:30 [AlexHall]
... and to support existing documents to be used unchanged
15:26:35 [sandro]
I'm surprised to see \\ is not a reserved character escape sequence.
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15:27:10 [PatH]
Apologies for lateness, dialling in ASAP.
15:27:32 [AlexHall]
alexhall: the turtle grammar does not match the sparql grammar for prefixed names
15:27:37 [sandro]
PatH, no worries, we just talking about character escaping in Turtle at the moment.
15:28:10 [PatH]
Oh then I might just go back to bed...
15:28:28 [sandro]
+0 either way is fine with me
15:28:32 [AlexHall]
guus: think we've talked enough about this, can we go ahead and make a proposal?
15:28:40 [gavinc]
PROPOSAL: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar. Eg, remove \u escaping from Prefixed Local Names
15:28:49 [sandro]
PatH, I think we're almost done, the'll we'll be ready to argue with you.
15:28:52 [sandro]
+0 either way is fine with me
15:28:58 [ericP]
+0 want consensus
15:29:19 [gavinc]
+1 for text agreeing with grammar
15:29:59 [AlexHall]
RESOLVED01: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-escapes should be reflected in the grammar. Eg, remove \u escaping from Prefixed Local Name
15:30:34 [gavinc]
ACTION gavinc to fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names
15:30:34 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - gavinc
15:30:40 [gavinc]
ACTION Gavin to fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names
15:30:40 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-150 - Fail to update Turtle/N-Triples grammar to not use \u escaping in the local part of prefix names [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21].
15:31:18 [Zakim]
+PatH
15:31:21 [AlexHall]
guus: moving on to issue 74, that seemed to be mostly editorial?
15:31:37 [AlexHall]
eric: yes, andy gavin and i talked and came to consensus
15:31:38 [AndyS]
I changed SPARQL draft today. (Please check.)
15:31:44 [gavinc]
ACTION Gavin to update issue 74 with new escaping rules
15:31:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-151 - Update issue 74 with new escaping rules [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21].
15:31:59 [AlexHall]
guus: next issue...
15:32:48 [gavinc]
ACTION Gavin Create new issue for :'s in the local part of prefix names
15:32:48 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-152 - Create new issue for :'s in the local part of prefix names [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21].
15:32:57 [sandro]
ericP, the link you want now works: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2012-03-14#resolution_1
15:33:36 [AlexHall]
guus: revisiting issue from last week (n-triples)
15:33:49 [AlexHall]
... andy proposed a way forward last week
15:34:09 [AlexHall]
gavin: most of this proposal is reflected in the current editors draft, so i like it
15:34:32 [gavinc]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/c43ac715dde2/rdf-turtle/index.html#sec-triples
15:34:49 [AlexHall]
guus: would like comment from the oracle people. have they had a chance to review it?
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+??P5
15:35:19 [Guus]
zakim, who is here?
15:35:19 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ScottB, gavinc, AndyS, sandro, Arnaud (muted), AlexHall, Guus, AZ, SteveH, EricP, zwu2 (muted), MacTed (muted), cgreer, LeeF, PatH, ??P5
15:35:21 [zwu2]
zakim, unmute me
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On IRC I see PatH, pfps, cgreer, zwu2, LeeF, AlexHall, Arnaud, SteveH, AZ, AndyS, Zakim, RRSAgent, gavinc, Guus, ScottB, danbri, AndyS_, yvesr, NickH, trackbot, mdmdm, manu, manu1,
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... sandro, ericP
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zwu2 should no longer be muted
15:35:48 [PatH]
zakim, mute me.
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PatH should now be muted
15:36:01 [AlexHall]
zwu2: have been busy with customers, no chance to review it
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15:36:38 [AlexHall]
ACTION: zhe to review Andy's email from last week re N-Triples and comment on it.
15:36:38 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-153 - Review Andy's email from last week re N-Triples and comment on it. [on Zhe Wu - due 2012-03-21].
15:36:49 [zwu2]
thanks guus
15:37:10 [AlexHall]
guus: let's look at planning for Turtle LC
15:37:23 [pchampin]
what's the deadline?
15:37:33 [AlexHall]
... andy indicated willingness to review Turtle draft for last call. any other volunteers?
15:38:08 [AlexHall]
guus: editors, what is a reasonable deadline for reviewers?
15:38:43 [AlexHall]
eric: Trying to think of changes. There's removal of \u escapes from prefix names
15:39:02 [AlexHall]
gavin: change to reference ourselves for n-triples definition
15:39:21 [AlexHall]
... change grammar to reflect text per today's resolution
15:39:27 [Zakim]
+??P7
15:39:39 [AlexHall]
... editorial changes that Andy collected in an email
15:39:46 [NickH]
Zakim, mute me
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NickH should now be muted
15:40:01 [AlexHall]
... do we need issues for all of these?
15:40:33 [AlexHall]
eric: think we can edit as needed to address these items before review, once it's reviewed we need wg consensus
15:40:42 [PatH]
what?
15:40:52 [AlexHall]
gavin: another issue is case-insensitivity of boolean true/false
15:40:59 [PatH]
ah.
15:41:10 [gavinc]
ACTION Gavin Figure out what happened with case-independent true/false
15:41:10 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-154 - Figure out what happened with case-independent true/false [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21].
15:41:18 [AlexHall]
guus: don't see this noted anywhere, need to track it
15:41:53 [AlexHall]
gavin: can somebody confirm that we've covered all feedback from comments mailing list?
15:42:19 [AlexHall]
guus: i think we have tracked all that, we can go back and verify in parallel with group review
15:42:40 [AlexHall]
gavin: what are we writing changes relative to?
15:42:57 [AlexHall]
guus: since no previous standard, use original wg note as a reference point
15:43:13 [AlexHall]
eric: did we decide that true/false are case-insensitive?
15:43:37 [AlexHall]
gavin: sparql says that they are case insensitive, but grammar isn't
15:43:59 [Zakim]
-AndyS
15:44:01 [PatH]
sound of head exploding?
15:44:18 [ericP]
sound of infinite recursion?
15:44:25 [PatH]
lol
15:44:37 [AlexHall]
guus: i'm happy with anything you guys agree on
15:45:02 [AndyS]
skype bug is attempting to take over all my machine
15:45:20 [AlexHall]
gavin: trying to agree on grammar keyword, but in either case they will map to canonical (lower-case) "true" or "false" for the actual literal value
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15:45:35 [AlexHall]
eric: correct
15:46:12 [AlexHall]
guus: is 2 weeks realistic for a review?
15:46:35 [AlexHall]
gavin: 2 weeks should be ok
15:46:59 [AlexHall]
guus: have draft available in 2 weeks, then give reviewers another 2 weeks to respond after that
15:47:14 [AlexHall]
... sound ok to editors?
15:47:23 [ericP]
AndyS1, would you prefer that the keywords were case-sensitive or insensitive?
15:48:14 [pchampin]
ok, count me in as a reviewer
15:49:12 [AlexHall]
guus: let's make this our tentative schedule. mar 28 draft available, discuss reviews at apr 11 telecon
15:50:05 [AlexHall]
... andy and pierre-antoine, would be best if reviews available by apr 9
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15:50:23 [AndyS]
Not sure it's a big deal - compatibility for SPARQL is insensitive but not sure it happens in the wild much (indeed even using true/false at all)
15:50:35 [AlexHall]
ACTION: gavin to prepare Turtle LC draft by March 28
15:50:35 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-155 - Prepare Turtle LC draft by March 28 [on Gavin Carothers - due 2012-03-21].
15:50:48 [AlexHall]
ACTION: eric to prepare Turtle LC draft by March 28
15:50:48 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-156 - Prepare Turtle LC draft by March 28 [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2012-03-21].
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15:51:05 [AlexHall]
ACTION: andy to review Turtle LC draft by April 9
15:51:05 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-157 - Review Turtle LC draft by April 9 [on Andy Seaborne - due 2012-03-21].
15:51:26 [AlexHall]
01ACTION: pchampin to review Turtle LC draft by April 9
15:51:52 [AlexHall]
... discuss testing approach in the coming weeks
15:52:05 [AlexHall]
... hope to have document published by end of april
15:52:19 [AlexHall]
ACTION: pchampin to review Turtle LC draft by April 9
15:52:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-158 - Review Turtle LC draft by April 9 [on Pierre-Antoine Champin - due 2012-03-21].
15:53:03 [Guus]
15:53:06 [AlexHall]
guus: SPARQL wg coordination -- think we're ok on this
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15:53:26 [Zakim]
-EricP
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+[IPcaller]
15:53:37 [AlexHall]
topic: named graphs semantics
15:53:43 [PatH]
zakim, unmute me.
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PatH should no longer be muted
15:53:47 [AndyS]
zakim, IPCaller is me
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+AndyS; got it
15:53:54 [AlexHall]
zakim, mute AndyS
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AndyS should now be muted
15:54:07 [PatH]
im getting bad sound here.
15:54:34 [Zakim]
+??P38
15:54:40 [AlexHall]
guus: pat sent out note on contexts, can we take a few minutes to ask clarification questions?
15:54:43 [PatH]
sound ok now
15:55:19 [AlexHall]
... in the 3 cases, particularly case 2 where dataset has time of context
15:55:52 [AlexHall]
... my reply was that this is orthogonal to case 3. is this correct?
15:55:57 [yvesr]
Zakim, ??P38 is me
15:55:57 [Zakim]
+yvesr; got it
15:56:43 [AlexHall]
pat: they can't coexist casually. if you think of the 4th column IRI as a label in a graph store, in case 3 the IRI denotes the graph, in case 2 the IRI denotes the context
15:57:28 [PatH]
i forgive you already
15:57:30 [AlexHall]
guus: other questions about this?
15:57:47 [AlexHall]
... if not, would like to give pat the floor to discuss latest message
15:58:13 [AZ]
Pat's last long email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2012Mar/0086.html
15:58:40 [AlexHall]
pat: the latest email was a sort of epiphany about this whole thing -- whether the scope of IRI labels should be local to a graph or global to the web, etc.
15:59:00 [AlexHall]
... both sides seem blindingly obvious to their proponents
15:59:22 [AlexHall]
... think of RDF as have always been a context logic all along, where the context was implicit
15:59:40 [AlexHall]
... i.e. there was a global RDF context but we never actually acknowledged it
15:59:57 [AZ]
q+
16:00:25 [AlexHall]
... suggest that we make this explicit in RDF, with the assumption that if a context is not explicitly named it's assumed to be the global RDF context
16:00:44 [AlexHall]
... allows authors to fix their data in a hierarchy of contexts
16:01:02 [AlexHall]
... this suits the cyc approach, which has been doing this for a while
16:01:14 [zwu2]
I like the idea of importing another context
16:01:29 [AlexHall]
... also works well with owl:imports, sort of importing another context
16:02:02 [AlexHall]
... can add this machinery to RDF by modifying the semantics and syntax, with datasets as the syntax
16:02:21 [AlexHall]
... allow people to grow this global network of contexts
16:02:54 [AlexHall]
... supports andy's notion of islands and allows people to explicitly link their islands to participate in other contexts
16:03:12 [Guus]
q+
16:03:13 [AlexHall]
... seems to give us a good story to tell on how it all links together
16:03:28 [AlexHall]
... and is an extension of the current RDF, not a modification of it
16:04:26 [AlexHall]
az: pat, you say we could integrate in RDF semantics the notion of context. couldn't we just keep RDF as it is, a context-less logic & data model, and define another contextual data model
16:04:52 [AlexHall]
... people would explicitly opt into it if they don't want the context-less RDF
16:05:13 [sandro]
q?
16:05:32 [AlexHall]
pat: yes, we could do that. would like to give people a way to publish data in a context and provide the machinery for people to explicitly declare their context
16:05:55 [AlexHall]
... could certainly be done in two layers as you say
16:06:38 [AlexHall]
az: if it's all one layer and you publish something in a context, don't you run into issues of contexts of contexts, quints, etc?
16:06:52 [AlexHall]
pat: had the same worry, but there's a way to stop that from happening.
16:07:34 [AZ]
ack AZ
16:08:01 [AlexHall]
guus: if i look at your trig, everything except the first line is the same as what others have suggested
16:08:12 [AlexHall]
... but what's the point of the rdf:DatasetMeta in the first line?
16:08:14 [Guus]
ack Guus
16:09:06 [AlexHall]
pat: the IRI identifies a context. an IRI can both name something but also reference a context.
16:09:37 [Arnaud]
did he just say "meta context"??
16:09:37 [Zakim]
+EricP
16:09:38 [AlexHall]
... rdf:DatasetMeta is a special IRI that allows us to denote the actual context, and refer to it in other places as the actual context
16:09:48 [AZ]
this makes sense to me
16:10:27 [AlexHall]
... addresses the issue where people want to use the 4th column as a context but have it denote something else (a person, etc)
16:10:43 [AlexHall]
sandro: so far this sounds encouraging. a lot more details to work out.
16:11:03 [AlexHall]
guus: yes, many more details. would like to work out some examples.
16:11:42 [AlexHall]
sandro: the term that you use for importing something, is this actually asserting something to be true?
16:12:07 [AlexHall]
... can you use this to make statements about the truth of the stuff in a context?
16:12:09 [LeeF]
consistent
16:12:12 [LeeF]
?
16:12:19 [zwu2]
compatible contexts?
16:12:34 [AlexHall]
pat: i think of this more as an endorsement or agreement.
16:13:08 [Arnaud]
re: meta context, I hope we're only talking about one level of context
16:13:23 [AlexHall]
... phrasing it in terms of absolute truth is a bit misleading. seems like you want to claim that something is globally true, which seems counter to the point of all this
16:13:42 [Guus]
q?\
16:13:49 [AlexHall]
sandro: but if i'm in a context and i say something is true, the truth of that can't be any stronger than my own context
16:14:11 [AlexHall]
pat: exactly. we want to avoid the perception that we're trying to state something as globally true.
16:14:54 [AlexHall]
sandro: what about the school of thought that if you're using a URI, you're accepting the document named by that URI? is that OK to do here?
16:15:27 [AlexHall]
pat: I'm aware of that convention. but it often doesn't work. you could think of it as an implicit version of what i'm trying to make explicit here.
16:16:05 [AlexHall]
... you could encourage as good practice that if you use a URI, you're accepting as true the contexts mentioned by that document.
16:16:35 [AlexHall]
guus: at the end of the telecon time. would like to see more email conversation on this, especially about how it relates to the example use cases.
16:17:03 [Zakim]
-MacTed
16:17:24 [zwu2]
bye
16:17:28 [Zakim]
-SteveH
16:17:29 [AlexHall]
... adjourned.
16:17:29 [Zakim]
-ScottB
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-zwu2
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-PatH
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-yvesr
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-sandro
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-Arnaud
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-AZ
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-AlexHall
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-cgreer
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-??P5
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-Guus
16:18:07 [AlexHall]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:18:07 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/03/14-rdf-wg-minutes.html AlexHall
16:18:19 [AlexHall]
RRSAgent, make logs public
16:18:31 [Zakim]
-NickH
16:20:30 [PatH]
Arnaud, "meta context" is a copntext for using RDF as a metalanguage (using a deviant convention for IRI meanings) not something meta of contexts themselves.
16:21:11 [Arnaud]
ok, thanks
16:21:20 [AndyS]
err - SPARQL has lots of keywords
16:21:36 [AndyS]
isBlank(..) for example.
16:22:08 [AndyS]
Yes - seems I am muted by software bug
16:22:55 [AndyS]
yES
16:23:05 [AndyS]
(accident)
16:23:33 [Zakim]
-LeeF
16:23:41 [AndyS]
"1"^^xsd:boolean
16:23:55 [AndyS]
:-)
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16:24:18 [AndyS]
When do I need to review by?
16:24:54 [AndyS]
No
16:25:10 [AndyS]
Seems a hard way to go. Just write it seems easier.
16:25:47 [AndyS]
Cool
16:26:29 [AndyS]
GTG - see you next week.
16:26:33 [Zakim]
-AndyS
16:30:22 [gavinc]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PER-xml-20080205/#sec-suggested-names
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-EricP
16:47:39 [Zakim]
-gavinc
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