RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 02 November 2011

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14:23:49 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:23:49 <trackbot> Date: 02 November 2011
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14:54:55 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

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14:56:39 <gavinc> Good morning

Gavin Carothers: Good morning

15:00:38 <Zakim> +??P3

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15:00:44 <swh> Zakim, ??P3 is [Garlik]

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15:00:44 <Zakim> +[Garlik]; got it

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15:01:10 <swh> Zakim, [Garlik] has me, mischat

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15:01:10 <Zakim> +swh, mischat; got it

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15:01:11 <Zakim> +bhyland

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15:01:15 <Zakim> + +1.707.318.aaaa

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15:01:20 <davidwood> Zakim, bhyland is me

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15:01:20 <Zakim> +davidwood; got it

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15:01:41 <Zakim> +??P7

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15:01:43 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see guus, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, Ivan, [Garlik], davidwood, +1.707.318.aaaa, ??P7

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15:01:45 <Zakim> [Garlik] has swh, mischat

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15:01:45 <Zakim> -??P7

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15:01:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see mischat_, AndyS, swh, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, MacTed, danbri, mischat, mox601, AndyS1, ivan, davidwood, manu1, manu, NickH, ericP, trackbot, sandro

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15:01:52 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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15:01:59 <Scott_Bauer> Scribe: Scott_Bauer

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15:02:06 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:02:06 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

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15:02:08 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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15:02:09 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:02:17 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me

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15:02:31 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

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15:02:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see guus, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, Ivan, [Garlik], davidwood, +1.707.318.aaaa, MacTed (muted), AndyS

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15:02:34 <Zakim> [Garlik] has swh, mischat

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15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see PatH, mischat, AndyS, swh, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, MacTed, danbri, mox601, AndyS1, ivan, davidwood, manu1, manu, NickH, ericP, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PatH, mischat, AndyS, swh, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, MacTed, danbri, mox601, AndyS1, ivan, davidwood, manu1, manu, NickH, ericP, trackbot, sandro

15:03:02 <Zakim> +PatH

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15:04:01 <Zakim> +AlexHall

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15:04:18 <Scott_Bauer> scribenick: Scott_Bauer
15:04:27 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:04:38 <PatH> zakim, mute me

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15:04:38 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

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15:05:18 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

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15:05:23 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

15:05:23 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

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15:05:25 <Scott_Bauer> PROPOSED:  accept last weeks minutes

PROPOSED: accept last weeks minutes

15:05:54 <Guus> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-19

Guus Schreiber: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-10-19

15:06:02 <Scott_Bauer> guus: should be 19 rather than 5

Guus Schreiber: should be 19 rather than 5

15:06:10 <Scott_Bauer> … of October

… of October

15:06:32 <PatH> mhausenblas owl:sameAs cygri?

Patrick Hayes: mhausenblas owl:sameAs cygri?

15:06:35 <davidwood> (fixed link to old minutes in agenda)

David Wood: (fixed link to old minutes in agenda)

15:06:40 <Scott_Bauer> RESOLVED: minutes are accepted

RESOLVED: minutes are accepted

15:06:57 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Action Items

2. Action Items

15:07:24 <Zakim> +Souri

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15:07:31 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  Action-3 to be closed

Guus Schreiber: ACTION-3 to be closed

15:07:43 <Zakim> +ericP

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15:07:56 <Zakim> +zwu2

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15:08:09 <PatH> zakim, unmute me

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15:08:09 <Zakim> PatH should no longer be muted

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15:08:20 <gavinc> Looks like Sandro and Richard have a lot to do ;)

Gavin Carothers: Looks like Sandro and Richard have a lot to do ;)

15:08:22 <Scott_Bauer> guus: quite a number of open items

Guus Schreiber: quite a number of open items

15:09:06 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  need to discuss the primer with Fabien

Guus Schreiber: need to discuss the primer with Fabien

15:10:05 <Scott_Bauer> guus: will continue all for Richard, Sandro

Guus Schreiber: will continue all for Richard, Sandro

15:11:17 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  issue three was an attempt to close issues at the end of the face to face.

Sandro Hawke: issue three was an attempt to close issues at the end of the face to face.

15:11:34 <Scott_Bauer> … need to find student to go through old comments

… need to find student to go through old comments

15:11:51 <Scott_Bauer> … suggest we reopen issue 3

… suggest we reopen ISSUE-3

15:12:13 <cygri> ISSUE-3?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-3?

15:12:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-3 -- Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata) -- open

15:12:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/3

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/3

15:13:03 <Scott_Bauer> guus: if you could edit issue 3

Guus Schreiber: if you could edit ISSUE-3

15:13:18 <PatH> zakim, mute me

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15:13:18 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

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15:13:49 <davidwood> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/111 updated to be more clear.

David Wood: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/111 updated to be more clear.

15:14:00 <Scott_Bauer> Topic:  Telecon next week

3. Telecon next week

15:14:01 <Zakim> -ericP

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15:14:18 <Zakim> +ericP

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15:14:38 <Scott_Bauer> guus: time change noted for next week -- back to the same time.

Guus Schreiber: time change noted for next week -- back to the same time.

15:14:56 <cygri> ISSUE-71?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-71?

15:14:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-71 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-71 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- pending review

15:14:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/71

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/71

15:15:02 <Scott_Bauer> Topic:  Issue 71

4. ISSUE-71

15:15:31 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  amendment proposal from Jerermy Carrroll

Guus Schreiber: amendment proposal from Jerermy Carrroll

15:15:51 <PatH> zakim, unmute me

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15:16:11 <Scott_Bauer> … Richard is the amendment ok for you?

… Richard is the amendment ok for you?

15:16:15 <gavinc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Oct/0385.html

Gavin Carothers: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Oct/0385.html

15:16:53 <Scott_Bauer> … Jeremy is an expert in the language labels.

… Jeremy is an expert in the language labels.

15:17:00 <AndyS> +1 to proposal

Andy Seaborne: +1 to proposal

15:17:03 <PatH> +q

Patrick Hayes: +q

15:17:09 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: this looks ok, it's just a clarification.

Richard Cyganiak: this looks ok, it's just a clarification.

15:17:47 <swh> I find the wording a bit strange

Steve Harris: I find the wording a bit strange

15:17:56 <swh> +1 to PatH

Steve Harris: +1 to PatH

15:18:00 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I have no objections to the modification but I do to the other.

Patrick Hayes: I have no objections to the modification but I do to the other.

15:18:22 <AlexHall> i guess that's why RIF uses "symbol space" instead of "datatype"

Alex Hall: i guess that's why RIF uses "symbol space" instead of "datatype"

15:19:03 <Scott_Bauer> cygri:  Two separate concepts that deal with datatype IRIS.   Typed datatype iri and a lexicalform

Richard Cyganiak: Two separate concepts that deal with datatype IRIS. Typed datatype iri and a lexicalform

15:19:31 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  Data type IRI used as an IRI?

Patrick Hayes: Data type IRI used as an IRI?

15:19:34 <Zakim> -ericP

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15:19:41 <Scott_Bauer> cygri: it's just an IRI

Richard Cyganiak: it's just an IRI

15:19:45 <Zakim> +ericP

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15:19:55 <Scott_Bauer> … nothing that requires it to be a datatype.

… nothing that requires it to be a datatype.

15:20:07 <Scott_Bauer> … not syntactically invalid

… not syntactically invalid

15:20:31 <Scott_Bauer> … the intention is that this is IRI is exceptional

… the intention is that this is IRI is exceptional

15:20:40 <AlexHall> q+

Alex Hall: q+

15:20:59 <Scott_Bauer> … used in a datatype position but just an IRI

… used in a datatype position but just an IRI

15:21:28 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  That seems to be wrong to put it in that position

Patrick Hayes: That seems to be wrong to put it in that position

15:21:35 <gavinc> Zakim, mute me

Gavin Carothers: Zakim, mute me

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15:22:07 <Scott_Bauer> cygri:  I don't think we can really improve on the design

Richard Cyganiak: I don't think we can really improve on the design

15:22:25 <Scott_Bauer> … I don't' think we want to revisit the design

… I don't' think we want to revisit the design

15:22:35 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: I agree

Patrick Hayes: I agree

15:24:02 <Scott_Bauer> cygri:  RDF concepts, section 5 on datatypes denoted by one or more uri references.  There is nothing that requires them to be connected

Richard Cyganiak: RDF concepts, section 5 on datatypes denoted by one or more uri references. There is nothing that requires them to be connected

15:24:25 <swh> Zakim, who is speaking?

Steve Harris: Zakim, who is speaking?

15:24:35 <Zakim> swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (9%), PatH (70%)

Zakim IRC Bot: swh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AndyS (9%), PatH (70%)

15:24:58 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  I find this design unacceptable

Patrick Hayes: I find this design unacceptable

15:25:41 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: This is called a datatype thats not a datatype.

Patrick Hayes: This is called a datatype thats not a datatype.

15:25:47 <AndyS> q+ to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish)

Andy Seaborne: q+ to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish)

15:25:53 <Scott_Bauer> … let's take it off line

… let's take it off line

15:26:19 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:26:34 <PatH> zakim, mute me

Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me

15:26:34 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

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15:26:36 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS:  Is that going to be the URI?

Andy Seaborne: Is that going to be the URI?

15:27:00 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:27:03 <PatH> but that iri will not actually occur in the literal...

Patrick Hayes: but that iri will not actually occur in the literal...

15:27:04 <Scott_Bauer> cygri:  There was no discussion of the specific URI

Richard Cyganiak: There was no discussion of the specific URI

15:27:35 <Scott_Bauer> cygri:  Should it be called something different?

Richard Cyganiak: Should it be called something different?

15:27:45 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:27:45 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish)

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask if we have formally decided on the URI as rdf:langString (helps SPARQL finish)

15:27:47 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:27:48 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me

15:28:00 <PatH> no objections to the label..

Patrick Hayes: no objections to the label..

15:28:02 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  I suggest we keep the label. Is that ok Andy?

Guus Schreiber: I suggest we keep the label. Is that ok Andy?

15:28:19 <ericP> q-

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q-

15:28:34 <PatH> q-

Patrick Hayes: q-

15:29:29 <Scott_Bauer> AlexHall: Datatype IRI that's not and IRI reminds me of how REST defines the simple space.  Some of these are also datatypes.

Alex Hall: Datatype IRI that's not and IRI reminds me of how RIF defines the symbol space. Some of these are also datatypes.

15:29:50 <AlexHall> s/REST/RIF/
15:30:02 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: issue 77

5. ISSUE-77

15:30:10 <AlexHall> s/simple/symbol/
15:30:16 <cygri> ISSUE-77?

Richard Cyganiak: ISSUE-77?

15:30:16 <trackbot> ISSUE-77 -- Should we mark rdf:Seq as archaic (cf ISSUE-24) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-77 -- Should we mark rdf:Seq as archaic (cf ISSUE-24) -- open

15:30:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/77

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/77

15:30:33 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  RDF seq and lists discussion

Guus Schreiber: RDF seq and lists discussion

15:31:19 <swh> I don't think there's much consensus

Steve Harris: I don't think there's much consensus

15:31:56 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS:  I don't see a consensus forming.

Andy Seaborne: I don't see a consensus forming.

15:32:32 <PatH> link to wikipage?

Patrick Hayes: link to wikipage?

15:32:37 <gavinc> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Ordered

Gavin Carothers: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Ordered

15:32:50 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  First Proposal just call them sequence and list downplay as containers.  Consensus on this?

Guus Schreiber: First Proposal just call them sequence and list downplay as containers. Consensus on this?

15:33:14 <Scott_Bauer> Andy:  I haven't seen push back or support.

Andy Seaborne: I haven't seen push back or support.

15:33:22 <PatH> people DO call them sequence and list, in fact.

Patrick Hayes: people DO call them sequence and list, in fact.

15:33:40 <swh> yeah

Steve Harris: yeah

15:33:41 <gavinc> I think there is some level of consensus on well formedness as well

Gavin Carothers: I think there is some level of consensus on well formedness as well

15:33:43 <PatH> zakim, unmute me.

Patrick Hayes: zakim, unmute me.

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15:33:50 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Semantics proposal is just to remove the semantics.

Guus Schreiber: Semantics proposal is just to remove the semantics.

15:34:32 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:34:34 <AndyS> well formedness for Seqs was pushed back at : two rdf:_1 to indicate equal rank

Andy Seaborne: well formedness for Seqs was pushed back at : two rdf:_1 to indicate equal rank

15:34:41 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  We may not need to remove that.  We may just not need so many at once (containers)

Patrick Hayes: We may not need to remove that. We may just not need so many at once (containers)

15:34:45 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:35:26 <AlexHall> q-

Alex Hall: q-

15:35:31 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:35:40 <Guus> ack AlexHall

Guus Schreiber: ack AlexHall

15:35:54 <Guus> ack ivan

Guus Schreiber: ack ivan

15:36:24 <Scott_Bauer> Ivan: The current semantics would define an infinite amount of axiomatic triples.

Ivan Herman: The current semantics would define an infinite amount of axiomatic triples.

15:37:26 <Scott_Bauer> … we get interoperability issues.

… we get interoperability issues.

15:38:10 <Scott_Bauer> … certain conclusions in semantics are used in those properties?

… certain conclusions in semantics are used in those properties?

15:38:47 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  I agree is would be better if there was a clearer normative statement.

Patrick Hayes: I agree is would be better if there was a clearer normative statement.

15:38:49 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:39:30 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  We should amend the text.

Guus Schreiber: We should amend the text.

15:39:40 <Scott_Bauer> Ivan:  We should do this quickly

Ivan Herman: We should do this quickly

15:40:07 <Scott_Bauer> … sparql does define one approach to this.

… sparql does define one approach to this.

15:40:28 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:40:29 <Scott_Bauer> … look at this and see if we can use it to define it.

… look at this and see if we can use it to define it.

15:40:40 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:40:52 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:41:34 <ivan> -> the SPARQL document to look at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/

Ivan Herman: -> the SPARQL document to look at http://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-entailment/

15:42:28 <Scott_Bauer> Action:  PatH  review the sparql specifications  for consistency with  rdf semantics for container properties

ACTION: PatH review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties

15:42:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 -  review the sparql specifications  for consistency with  rdf semantics for container properties [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09].

15:42:45 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:42:47 <PatH> zakim, mute me

Patrick Hayes: zakim, mute me

15:42:47 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: PatH should now be muted

15:43:23 <Scott_Bauer> Ivan:  We have one major user that uses the container properties -- Adobe

Ivan Herman: We have one major user that uses the container properties -- Adobe

15:43:35 <swh> q+

Steve Harris: q+

15:43:40 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:43:42 <Scott_Bauer> … Should we contact them regarding these changes.

… Should we contact them regarding these changes.

15:43:49 <gavinc> Hi Sandro!

Gavin Carothers: Hi Sandro!

15:43:53 <davidwood> +1 to Ivan.  We have been presuming that Adobe will care about terminology.

David Wood: +1 to Ivan. We have been presuming that Adobe will care about terminology.

15:44:17 <swh> q-

Steve Harris: q-

15:44:25 <PatH> i think there was a consensus not to deprecate or otherwise be rude about containers?

Patrick Hayes: i think there was a consensus not to deprecate or otherwise be rude about containers?

15:44:37 <swh> not consensus

Steve Harris: not consensus

15:44:49 <PatH> OK

Patrick Hayes: OK

15:45:25 <Scott_Bauer> Action: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe.

ACTION: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe.

15:45:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [on Sandro Hawke - due 2011-11-09].

15:45:49 <swh> q+

Steve Harris: q+

15:46:37 <PatH> it means if they do use it they have to take a shower afterwards.

Patrick Hayes: it means if they do use it they have to take a shower afterwards.

15:47:04 <swh> q?

Steve Harris: q?

15:47:11 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Well Formed Lists

6. Well Formed Lists

15:47:33 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

15:47:40 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Is there consensus on this

Guus Schreiber: Is there consensus on this

15:47:58 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  I think so -- question is what would we do with the definition.

Sandro Hawke: I think so -- question is what would we do with the definition.

15:48:02 <PatH> zakim, unmute me

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15:48:40 <Scott_Bauer> SteveH:  It's not ok to ask Adobe if its ok to deprectate

Steve Harris: It's not ok to ask Adobe if its ok to deprectate

15:49:03 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:49:05 <Scott_Bauer> … the containers

… the containers

15:49:24 <cygri> q-

Richard Cyganiak: q-

15:49:27 <PatH> +q re wellformed lists. Is the idea to have wellformed triples or a different 'native' structure?

Patrick Hayes: +q re wellformed lists. Is the idea to have wellformed triples or a different 'native' structure?

15:49:47 <swh> q-

Steve Harris: q-

15:49:58 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS:  Lists cannot be shared.  Can't have two triples pointing to the same object.

Andy Seaborne: Lists cannot be shared. Can't have two triples pointing to the same object.

15:50:26 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  can you clarify that?

Patrick Hayes: can you clarify that?

15:50:48 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS:  It's linked specifically on the turtle page.

Andy Seaborne: It's linked specifically on the turtle page.

15:50:49 <gavinc> I think PatH it's that IF they are well formed triples they CAN be implemented as a 'native' structure

Gavin Carothers: I think PatH it's that IF they are well formed triples they CAN be implemented as a 'native' structure

15:51:17 <Zakim> +ericP

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15:51:33 <AndyS> """ Each list node has exactly one inbound arc; for all but the first node, it's an rdf:rest arc from the previous node. """

Andy Seaborne: """ Each list node has exactly one inbound arc; for all but the first node, it's an rdf:rest arc from the previous node. """

15:51:55 <PatH> ok, clearly we need to check the definition very carefully.

Patrick Hayes: ok, clearly we need to check the definition very carefully.

15:52:19 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  I don't hear anybody saying it is a problem.

Guus Schreiber: I don't hear anybody saying it is a problem.

15:52:28 <gavinc> "(Perhaps there is a clearer definition using more math.) " ;)

Gavin Carothers: "(Perhaps there is a clearer definition using more math.) " ;)

15:52:45 <Scott_Bauer> … leaving this to further list discussion.

… leaving this to further list discussion.

15:52:47 <PatH> gavinc, yes. in fact there are several...

Patrick Hayes: gavinc, yes. in fact there are several...

15:53:05 <PatH> zakim, mute me

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15:53:21 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  would like to approach Adobe for feedback on the possibility.

Sandro Hawke: would like to approach Adobe for feedback on the possibility.

15:54:04 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: To mark Lists as archaic or not.

7. To mark Lists as archaic or not.

15:54:25 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  see Steve's summary

Sandro Hawke: see Steve's summary

15:54:44 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  If we are stuck we go with the minimal option.

Guus Schreiber: If we are stuck we go with the minimal option.

15:54:59 <Scott_Bauer> … proposal one.

… proposal one.

15:55:09 <PatH> lists archaic??

Patrick Hayes: lists archaic??

15:55:45 <PatH> +1 to guus. minimal change.

Patrick Hayes: +1 to guus. minimal change.

15:56:18 <Scott_Bauer> Sandro you may need to self scribe I'm not hearing you well

Sandro you may need to self scribe I'm not hearing you well

15:56:53 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  should we get rid of one of them?

Sandro Hawke: should we get rid of one of them?

15:57:06 <Scott_Bauer> … sequences or lists?

… sequences or lists?

15:57:27 <PatH> not clear to me what the alternative(s?) are.

Patrick Hayes: not clear to me what the alternative(s?) are.

15:57:40 <cygri> sandro: no one is happy with containers, no one is happy with collections. should we try to actually fix the problem? is there will in the wg to approach this?

Sandro Hawke: no one is happy with containers, no one is happy with collections. should we try to actually fix the problem? is there will in the wg to approach this? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

15:57:55 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

15:58:03 <AndyS> ack me

Andy Seaborne: ack me

15:58:11 <PatH> ah. not obvious to me that this is a problem to solve here.

Patrick Hayes: ah. not obvious to me that this is a problem to solve here.

15:58:15 <PatH> q-

Patrick Hayes: q-

15:58:31 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:59:07 <Scott_Bauer> cygri:  The other proposals include a list ontology and a datatype that is a list of UI/s

Richard Cyganiak: The other proposals include a list ontology and a datatype that is a list of UI/s

15:59:24 <PatH> +1 cygri

Patrick Hayes: +1 cygri

15:59:32 <Guus> +1 to Richard: not really in scope for this WG

Guus Schreiber: +1 to Richard: not really in scope for this WG

15:59:42 <swh> +1

Steve Harris: +1

15:59:49 <Scott_Bauer> … seems like this should be carefully considered and explored in some other venue.

… seems like this should be carefully considered and explored in some other venue.

15:59:53 <swh> good for an XG (or whatever the current thing is)

Steve Harris: good for an XG (or whatever the current thing is)

15:59:55 <ivan> +1 to richard

Ivan Herman: +1 to richard

16:00:06 <cygri> ack me

Richard Cyganiak: ack me

16:00:33 <gavinc> +☃ to cygri

Gavin Carothers: +☃ to cygri

16:00:33 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Proposal one the most likely option.

Guus Schreiber: Proposal one the most likely option.

16:01:18 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  We are taking a big step by endorsing turtle and it will be painful to have all these turtle lists out there.

Sandro Hawke: We are taking a big step by endorsing turtle and it will be painful to have all these turtle lists out there.

16:01:26 <PatH> i dont see any simple way to get this tidied up now. whatever we do will be a crock at this stage.

Patrick Hayes: i dont see any simple way to get this tidied up now. whatever we do will be a crock at this stage.

16:02:03 <gavinc> ... ( 1, 2, 3) ?type .

Gavin Carothers: ... ( 1, 2, 3) ?type .

16:02:22 <AndyS> Turtle exists in the wild already - I worry about changing current meaning.

Andy Seaborne: Turtle exists in the wild already - I worry about changing current meaning.

16:02:23 <Scott_Bauer> … could perhaps use parenthesis for rdf list

… could perhaps use parenthesis for rdf list

16:02:39 <swh> +1 to AndyS

Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS

16:02:43 <PatH> list datatype, maybe.

Patrick Hayes: list datatype, maybe.

16:02:47 <gavinc> +1000 to AndyS

Gavin Carothers: +1000 to AndyS

16:02:56 <PatH> +1 andy

Patrick Hayes: +1 andy

16:03:04 <AndyS> ():List ():Seq with () as list MIGHT work.

Andy Seaborne: ():List ():Seq with () as list MIGHT work.

16:03:34 <PatH> lists can have sublists?

Patrick Hayes: lists can have sublists?

16:03:50 <Scott_Bauer> Topic: Named Graph Issues

8. Named Graph Issues

16:03:50 <AndyS> PatH - yes

Andy Seaborne: PatH - yes

16:04:43 <AndyS> PatH, an object of rdf:first can be a list by Sandro's wording and by Turtle syntax.  Unusual but legal.

Andy Seaborne: PatH, an object of rdf:first can be a list by Sandro's wording and by Turtle syntax. Unusual but legal.

16:04:44 <gavinc> +q what TriG draft currently says

Gavin Carothers: +q what TriG draft currently says

16:04:50 <Scott_Bauer> guus: Consensus model for moving forward is to agree on the minimal model.

Guus Schreiber: Consensus model for moving forward is to agree on the minimal model.

16:04:52 <gavinc> +q to say what TriG draft currently says

Gavin Carothers: +q to say what TriG draft currently says

16:05:07 <gavinc> Zakim, unmute me

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16:05:25 <gavinc> A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made about that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}.

Gavin Carothers: A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made about that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}.

16:05:50 <PatH> zakim, unmute me

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16:05:57 <PatH> +q

Patrick Hayes: +q

16:06:05 <AndyS> I like the approach Guus outlines.  Document different practices.

Andy Seaborne: I like the approach Guus outlines. Document different practices.

16:06:05 <ivan> ack gavinc

Ivan Herman: ack gavinc

16:06:05 <Zakim> gavinc, you wanted to say what TriG draft currently says

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16:06:09 <Guus> ack gavinc

Guus Schreiber: ack gavinc

16:06:14 <Guus> ack patH

Guus Schreiber: ack patH

16:06:26 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  The second sentence "made using that IRI" would be better

Patrick Hayes: The second sentence "made using that IRI" would be better

16:06:40 <gavinc> A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}.

Gavin Carothers: A graph statement pairs an IRI with a RDF Graph. It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph. The triple statements that make up the graph are enclosed in {}.

16:06:40 <PatH> zakim, mute me

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16:06:40 <Zakim> PatH should now be muted

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16:06:51 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  informal that the IRI denotes the graph

Sandro Hawke: informal that the IRI denotes the graph

16:07:11 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc:  We match that grammar in a number of places.

Gavin Carothers: We match that grammar in a number of places.

16:07:16 <ericP> can i simplify

Eric Prud'hommeaux: can i simplify

16:07:16 <ericP>   SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 }

16:07:16 <ericP>     SERVICE <S1> { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SERVICE <S1> { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } }

16:07:16 <ericP> to

Eric Prud'hommeaux: to

16:07:16 <ericP>   SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } }

16:07:19 <ericP> ?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ?

16:07:39 <sandro> Yeah, "using that IRI" not "*about* that IRI".

Sandro Hawke: Yeah, "using that IRI" not "*about* that IRI".

16:08:12 <Scott_Bauer> ericP:  One persons notion of a graph doesn't have to match another's.  Sandro seems to say they probably should.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: One persons notion of a graph doesn't have to match another's. Sandro seems to say they probably should.

16:08:36 <swh> I'm not even sure that's an ideal world

Steve Harris: I'm not even sure that's an ideal world

16:08:37 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  That's probably going farther than we can right now.

Sandro Hawke: That's probably going farther than we can right now.

16:08:44 <gavinc> In a TriG document a graph IRI must not be used to label more then one graph. The IRI of a graph statement may be omitted. In this case the graph is considered the default graph of the RDF Dataset.

Gavin Carothers: In a TriG document a graph IRI must not be used to label more then one graph. The IRI of a graph statement may be omitted. In this case the graph is considered the default graph of the RDF Dataset.

16:08:47 <swh> -∞ to those being equivalent

Steve Harris: -∞ to those being equivalent

16:08:51 <PatH> zakim, unmute me

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16:08:57 <PatH> +q

Patrick Hayes: +q

16:09:04 <AndyS> Not the same - need extra assumptions.

Andy Seaborne: Not the same - need extra assumptions.

16:09:16 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc:  TRIG doesn't deal with transactions

Gavin Carothers: TRIG doesn't deal with transactions

16:09:41 <ericP> can i simplify

Eric Prud'hommeaux: can i simplify

16:09:41 <ericP>   SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 }

16:09:41 <ericP>                  { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p2> ?o2 } } }

16:09:41 <ericP> to

Eric Prud'hommeaux: to

16:09:41 <ericP>   SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } }

Eric Prud'hommeaux: SELECT * WHERE { GRAPH <G1> { ?s <p1> ?o1 ; <p2> ?o2 } }

16:09:44 <ericP> ?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ?

16:09:55 <PatH> IRIs have globsal scope, so they must be the same according to the semantics.

Patrick Hayes: IRIs have global scope, so they must be the same according to the semantics.

16:10:01 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc:  It says you can't label them twice.

Gavin Carothers: It says you can't label them twice.

16:10:02 <Guus> ack PatH

Guus Schreiber: ack PatH

16:10:13 <AndyS> That is OK.

Andy Seaborne: That is OK.

16:10:14 <Scott_Bauer> ericP:  I'll retract this line of reasoning.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I'll retract this line of reasoning.

16:10:14 <Souri> s/globsal /global /
16:10:33 <swh> what if one dataset is a canned state from 1 year ago?

Steve Harris: what if one dataset is a canned state from 1 year ago?

16:10:37 <gavinc> I agree for versions of global that include everyone getting to have their own globe

Gavin Carothers: I agree for versions of global that include everyone getting to have their own globe

16:10:40 <swh> or just hasn't been updated

Steve Harris: or just hasn't been updated

16:10:54 <swh> yet

Steve Harris: yet

16:10:56 <Scott_Bauer> PatH: We have an IRI and it denotes a graph.  Nothing about only inside a data set.

Patrick Hayes: We have an IRI and it denotes a graph. Nothing about only inside a data set.

16:11:03 <cygri> it's not the deployed RDF world either

Richard Cyganiak: it's not the deployed RDF world either

16:11:26 <swh> it's not representative of how technology actually works

Steve Harris: it's not representative of how technology actually works

16:11:40 <gavinc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html#sec-trig-intro current TriG draft

Gavin Carothers: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdf/raw-file/default/trig/index.html#sec-trig-intro current TriG draft

16:11:58 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  it would be nice if an IRI refers to the same graph but that's not how sparql works.

Sandro Hawke: it would be nice if an IRI refers to the same graph but that's not how sparql works.

16:12:00 <AndyS> +1 to cygri -- not just SPARQL, just easier to write down currently.

Andy Seaborne: +1 to cygri -- not just SPARQL, just easier to write down currently.

16:12:20 <Scott_Bauer> … can't just mandate this (Consensus at the face to face)

… can't just mandate this (Consensus at the face to face)

16:12:21 <AndyS> ... in fact predates SPARQL.

Andy Seaborne: ... in fact predates SPARQL.

16:13:02 <Scott_Bauer> PatH:  I thought a resolution was made to have the IRI denote the graph.

Patrick Hayes: I thought a resolution was made to have the IRI denote the graph.

16:13:38 <AndyS> History - SPARQL followed/consensus of subset of deployed usage even back then.

Andy Seaborne: History - SPARQL followed/consensus of subset of deployed usage even back then.

16:13:45 <Scott_Bauer> gavinc:  No one could agree on denotes

Gavin Carothers: No one could agree on denotes

16:13:50 <swh> +1 to AndyS

Steve Harris: +1 to AndyS

16:14:32 <Scott_Bauer> sandro:  You can't stop the IRI's from denoting something in RDF, but does it denote the graph.

Sandro Hawke: You can't stop the IRI's from denoting something in RDF, but does it denote the graph.

16:15:16 <Scott_Bauer> … Maybe something at the top of the TRIG document that says how this works.

… Maybe something at the top of the TRIG document that says how this works.

16:15:35 <gavinc> I'm not hearing anyone complain about "It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph."

Gavin Carothers: I'm not hearing anyone complain about "It is intended that triple statements made using that IRI are being made about the graph."

16:15:52 <Scott_Bauer> guus:  You could give guidance on what the relationship would identify.  Can we reach consensus?

Guus Schreiber: You could give guidance on what the relationship would identify. Can we reach consensus?

16:16:27 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS:  The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement.

Andy Seaborne: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement.

16:16:36 <AndyS> Not AndyS

Andy Seaborne: Not AndyS

16:16:48 <AndyS> q+

Andy Seaborne: q+

16:16:58 <cygri> PatH: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement.

Patrick Hayes: The IRI denotes the graph is what I get out of the statement. [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ]

16:17:02 <Scott_Bauer> swh:  What Gavin said doesn't ring any alarm bells.

Steve Harris: What Gavin said doesn't ring any alarm bells.

16:17:04 <PatH> tnx

Patrick Hayes: tnx

16:17:24 <Guus> ack AndyS

Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS

16:17:29 <sandro> sandro: Maybe we can try to flush out the implications of gavin's text.

Sandro Hawke: Maybe we can try to flush out the implications of gavin's text. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:18:02 <AndyS> q-

Andy Seaborne: q-

16:18:40 <AndyS> Need to use IRI in triple and IRI-graph association consistently but it's easy to get it wrong.

Andy Seaborne: Need to use IRI in triple and IRI-graph association consistently but it's easy to get it wrong.

16:19:16 <Scott_Bauer> AndyS:  The chief problem is this is global.  Don't say denote if that isn't' what's meant.

Patrick Hayes: The chief problem is this is global. Don't say denote if that isn't' what's meant.

16:19:23 <gavinc> Sure, PatH but people can something else about that IRI and the world will be happily inconsistent

Gavin Carothers: Sure, PatH but people can something else about that IRI and the world will be happily inconsistent

16:19:39 <AndyS> s/AndyS/PatH/
16:19:47 <AndyS> e.g. <iri> : size "57 bytes"  using <iri> to denote the g-snap

Andy Seaborne: e.g. <iri> : size "57 bytes" using <iri> to denote the g-snap

16:19:52 <swh> bye

Steve Harris: bye

16:19:54 <Zakim> -Souri

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16:19:55 <AndyS> bye

Andy Seaborne: bye

16:19:56 <Zakim> -PatH

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16:19:57 <Zakim> -[Garlik]

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16:19:58 <Zakim> -cygri

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16:19:59 <zwu2> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

16:19:59 <Zakim> -Sandro

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16:19:59 <Zakim> -MacTed

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16:19:59 <Zakim> -davidwood

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16:20:02 <Zakim> -AlexHall

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16:20:03 <Zakim> -ericP

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16:20:05 <Zakim> -Ivan

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16:20:05 <Zakim> -gavinc

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16:20:16 <Zakim> - +1.707.318.aaaa

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16:20:42 <Zakim> -AndyS

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16:20:43 <PatH> Me too

Patrick Hayes: Me too

16:20:50 <PatH> Us brits all sound alike

Patrick Hayes: Us brits all sound alike

16:21:39 <Scott_Bauer> Action: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's

ACTION: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's

16:21:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-11-09].

16:22:04 <Scott_Bauer> trackbot, end meeting

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16:22:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been guus, Scott_Bauer, gavinc, Ivan, swh, mischat, +1.707.318.aaaa, davidwood, MacTed, AndyS, PatH, AlexHall, cygri, Souri, ericP, zwu2, Sandro

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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/11/02-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :

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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH  review the sparql specifications  for consistency with  rdf semantics for container properties [1]

ACTION: PatH review the sparql specifications for consistency with rdf semantics for container properties [1]

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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [2]

ACTION: sandro will discuss the issue of the container properties and deprecation with Adobe. [2]

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16:22:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [3]

ACTION: PatH Send message to list about consequences of TRIG document statements about graph RI's [3]

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