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14:57:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394
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14:57:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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14:57:57 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:57:57 <trackbot> Date: 21 September 2011
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14:58:31 <Zakim> +AZ
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14:58:39 <Zakim> +bhyland
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14:58:55 <davidwood> Zakim, bhyland is me
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14:59:23 <Zakim> +gavinc
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15:01:31 <gavinc> zakim, who is talking
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15:01:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', gavinc
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15:01:46 <davidwood> Zakim, +P14 is Arnaud
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15:01:46 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named '+P14'
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15:01:57 <davidwood> Zakim, P14 is Arnaud
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15:01:57 <Zakim> sorry, davidwood, I do not recognize a party named 'P14'
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15:02:15 <gavinc> zakim, ??P14 is Arnaud
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15:03:29 <mischat> Zakim, ??P25 is me
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15:03:32 <pchampin> zakim, mute me
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15:04:18 <cygri> zakim, what's the code?
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15:04:18 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
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15:04:30 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
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15:04:35 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is me
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15:04:35 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
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15:04:58 <AZ> topic: Admin
15:05:22 <davidwood> Proposed to accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14
David Wood: Proposed to accept http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14 ←
15:05:24 <zwu2> zakim, code?
15:05:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), zwu2
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15:05:38 <AZ> PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 14 Sep telecon
PROPOSED: to accept the minutes of the 14 Sep telecon ←
15:05:58 <Zakim> +zwu2
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15:06:03 <AZ> davidwood: The meeting was adjourned before the minutes were issued
David Wood: The meeting was adjourned before the minutes were issued [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:06:06 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
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15:06:10 <mischat> the minutes do state where the telecon adjourned
Mischa Tuffield: the minutes do state where the telecon adjourned ←
15:06:43 <AZ> davidwood: we'll close Guus action
David Wood: we'll close Guus action [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:07:32 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:07:33 <AZ> cygri: will do my action later today
Antoine Zimmermann: cygri: will do my action later today ←
15:08:07 <AZ> topic: FTF planning
15:08:17 <ericP> davidwood, Guus, i'm on another call. RDF WG has dibs so you can ping "ericP" in irc and I'll switch focus
Eric Prud'hommeaux: davidwood, Guus, i'm on another call. RDF WG has dibs so you can ping "ericP" in irc and I'll switch focus ←
15:08:23 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2 ←
15:09:24 <AZ> davidwood: talks on hotels difficult to find
David Wood: talks on hotels difficult to find [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:10:09 <AZ> davidwood: we'll have the F2F split in 2 places (EU and US)
David Wood: we'll have the F2F split in 2 places (EU and US) [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:11:02 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda ←
15:11:08 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:11:25 <AZ> davidwood: we have to figure out 2 things,
David Wood: we have to figure out 2 things, [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:11:36 <AZ> ...: manage the timezones
Antoine Zimmermann: ...: manage the timezones ←
15:12:04 <AZ> ...: when London adjourn, we use the time left in Boston to do useful things
Antoine Zimmermann: ...: when London adjourn, we use the time left in Boston to do useful things ←
15:12:25 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:12:32 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:12:33 <AZ> ...: we make progress on the RDF primer
Antoine Zimmermann: ...: we make progress on the RDF primer ←
15:12:55 <AZ> cygri: I was surprised by the strong titles in the agenda
Richard Cyganiak: I was surprised by the strong titles in the agenda [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:13:21 <AZ> ... I wasn't expecting the two would work apart
Antoine Zimmermann: ... I wasn't expecting the two would work apart ←
15:13:37 <gavinc> Issue seems to be that far more people will be in London then in Boston :\
Gavin Carothers: Issue seems to be that far more people will be in London then in Boston :\ ←
15:13:40 <AZ> ... there are advantages in doing that, more stuff gets done,
Antoine Zimmermann: ... there are advantages in doing that, more stuff gets done, ←
15:13:51 <AZ> .... but advantages having shared time
Antoine Zimmermann: .... but advantages having shared time ←
15:14:07 <AZ> ... we should maximise shared time
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we should maximise shared time ←
15:14:36 <pchampin> +1 to try to align schedule as much as possible
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to try to align schedule as much as possible ←
15:14:37 <AZ> davidwood: I hope we can get in MIT earlier
David Wood: I hope we can get in MIT earlier [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:14:47 <mischat> cygri: i agree too, but iirc yvesr_ and NickH mentioned that there was end time to when we had to get out of their buildings
Richard Cyganiak: i agree too, but iirc yvesr_ and NickH mentioned that there was end time to when we had to get out of their buildings [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ] ←
15:14:52 <gavinc> there are 5 solid confirmations in Boston, and 11 in London
Gavin Carothers: there are 5 solid confirmations in Boston, and 11 in London ←
15:15:06 <AZ> ... and we can't be in BBC late
Antoine Zimmermann: ... and we can't be in BBC late ←
15:15:14 <LeeF> I'm sorry that my phone has decided to act up, but I wanted to say that I'm not sure that a group editing of the primer will be a good way to edit the primer. I think we might be more successful identifying goals for the updated primer and then enlisting 1 or 2 editors to do the actual updating.
Lee Feigenbaum: I'm sorry that my phone has decided to act up, but I wanted to say that I'm not sure that a group editing of the primer will be a good way to edit the primer. I think we might be more successful identifying goals for the updated primer and then enlisting 1 or 2 editors to do the actual updating. ←
15:15:31 <AZ> ... the current agenda is (sort of) a worst case scenario
Antoine Zimmermann: ... the current agenda is (sort of) a worst case scenario ←
15:15:58 <AZ> cygri: currently, we'll adjourn in London at 5pm
Richard Cyganiak: currently, we'll adjourn in London at 5pm [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:16:04 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:16:04 <mischat> cygri++
Mischa Tuffield: cygri++ ←
15:16:13 <AZ> ... we could shift everything 2 hours backward
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we could shift everything 2 hours backward ←
15:16:45 <davidwood> Yves Raimond
David Wood: Yves Raimond ←
15:16:47 <davidwood> (BBC)
David Wood: (BBC) ←
15:17:01 <mischat> davidwood: to email yvesr_ about how late we can stay at the BBC's london location
David Wood: to email yvesr_ about how late we can stay at the BBC's london location [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ] ←
15:17:13 <AZ> ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later
ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later ←
15:17:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [on David Wood - due 2011-09-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-90 - Mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [on David Wood - due 2011-09-28]. ←
15:17:20 <mischat> davidwood, LeeF had a point above
Mischa Tuffield: davidwood, LeeF had a point above ←
15:17:23 <LeeF> q+
Lee Feigenbaum: q+ ←
15:17:30 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:17:31 <davidwood> ack LeeF
David Wood: ack LeeF ←
15:18:20 <AZ> LeeF: we should get consensus on what to put in Primer then assign writing to 2 people
Lee Feigenbaum: we should get consensus on what to put in Primer then assign writing to 2 people [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:18:42 <Zakim> -LeeF
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15:18:52 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Editors ←
15:18:57 <mischat> editors doc ^^
Mischa Tuffield: editors doc ^^ ←
15:19:20 <Zakim> +LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF ←
15:19:22 <AZ> davidwood: with neither editors of Primer on the call we can't really decide how to proceed wrt Primer
David Wood: with neither editors of Primer on the call we can't really decide how to proceed wrt Primer [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:19:49 <LeeF> Great! (i was just confused by what it said in the agenda)
Lee Feigenbaum: Great! (i was just confused by what it said in the agenda) ←
15:19:54 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:19:58 <AZ> ...: we will just suggest updates for Primer at the Boston meeting
Antoine Zimmermann: ...: we will just suggest updates for Primer at the Boston meeting ←
15:20:24 <AZ> cygri: we should spend time on the documents the WG has to update and produce
Richard Cyganiak: we should spend time on the documents the WG has to update and produce [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:20:54 <davidwood> Changed agenda wording for the RDF Primer task
David Wood: Changed agenda wording for the RDF Primer task ←
15:21:01 <AZ> ... a number of documents have not yet been touch in terms of editing
Antoine Zimmermann: ... a number of documents have not yet been touch in terms of editing ←
15:21:16 <LeeF> I will attend at MIT - I didn't realize I wasn't already on the list. Sorry!
Lee Feigenbaum: I will attend at MIT - I didn't realize I wasn't already on the list. Sorry! ←
15:21:40 <AZ> ... it's not clear what's going to happen wrt the JSON document
Antoine Zimmermann: ... it's not clear what's going to happen wrt the JSON document ←
15:21:58 <AZ> ... we should discuss the JSON doc at the meeting
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we should discuss the JSON doc at the meeting ←
15:22:14 <AZ> davidwood: there should be someone reviewing the JSON doc
David Wood: there should be someone reviewing the JSON doc [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:22:24 <AZ> ... and present the review to the group on the ML
Antoine Zimmermann: ... and present the review to the group on the ML ←
15:23:03 <AZ> cygri: there was a decision at the F2F1 that we have 2 documents
Richard Cyganiak: there was a decision at the F2F1 that we have 2 documents [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:23:21 <AZ> ... is there still this consensus?
Antoine Zimmermann: ... is there still this consensus? ←
15:23:29 <mischat> zakim, who is on the call?
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:23:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, pchampin (muted), mischat, cygri, zwu2 (muted), LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Arnaud, Scott_Bauer, pchampin (muted), mischat, cygri, zwu2 (muted), LeeF ←
15:23:41 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:23:49 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:23:49 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:23:51 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:23:51 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:24:41 <AZ> davidwood: we have 2 actions to do for the F2F:
David Wood: we have 2 actions to do for the F2F: [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:24:54 <AZ> ... 1. whether BC can be accessible late and;
Antoine Zimmermann: ... 1. whether BBC can be accessible late and; ←
15:25:03 <AZ> ... 2. review JSON LD
Antoine Zimmermann: ... 2. review JSON LD ←
15:25:04 <MacTed> s/BC/BBC/
15:25:40 <davidwood> TO DO for the Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda
David Wood: TO DO for the Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/F2F2#Agenda ←
15:25:45 <mischat> i was wrong about a json-ld review, I was thinking of all the json-ld related chat on the mailing list that is all
Mischa Tuffield: i was wrong about a json-ld review, I was thinking of all the json-ld related chat on the mailing list that is all ←
15:26:05 <AZ> davidwood: I'll update the agenda accordingly
David Wood: I'll update the agenda accordingly [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:26:20 <AZ> topic: Liaison with Provenance WG
15:26:32 <AZ> davidwood: there was a telecon last Thursday
David Wood: there was a telecon last Thursday [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:26:47 <AZ> ... there is a mailing list for RDF / Prov liaison
Antoine Zimmermann: ... there is a mailing list for RDF / Prov liaison ←
15:27:00 <AZ> public-rdf-prov@lists.w3.org
Antoine Zimmermann: public-rdf-prov@lists.w3.org ←
15:27:10 <mischat> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-prov/
Mischa Tuffield: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-prov/ ←
15:27:22 <AZ> ... anyone interested in Graph TF should take a look and join the discussions
Antoine Zimmermann: ... anyone interested in Graph TF should take a look and join the discussions ←
15:27:26 <mischat> and the minutes to the meeting last week http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-15
Mischa Tuffield: and the minutes to the meeting last week http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-15 ←
15:28:06 <AZ> ... the Prov WG make good progress but it's not clear exactly there use cases
Antoine Zimmermann: ... the Prov WG make good progress but it's not clear exactly there use cases ←
15:28:30 <davidwood> Discussed http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC
David Wood: Discussed http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC ←
15:28:59 <AZ> ... we (RDF WG) have a provenance use case
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we (RDF WG) have provenance use cases ←
15:29:01 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC#Provenance_Use_Cases
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-Graphs-UC#Provenance_Use_Cases ←
15:29:12 <AZ> s/a provenance use case/provenance use cases/
15:29:38 <AZ> ... we need an agreement on the g-* terminology
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we need an agreement on the g-* terminology ←
15:29:48 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Graph_Terminology
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Graph_Terminology ←
15:29:53 <AZ> ... it must be fixed after the F2F2
Antoine Zimmermann: ... it must be fixed after the F2F2 ←
15:29:55 <mischat> g-box
Mischa Tuffield: g-box ←
15:30:35 <AZ> ... the Prov WG is waiting for our final terminology
Antoine Zimmermann: ... the Prov WG is waiting for our final terminology ←
15:30:41 <Arnaud> got it, thanks
Arnaud Le Hors: got it, thanks ←
15:30:42 <AZ> ... and they need their final use cases
Antoine Zimmermann: ... and they need their final use cases ←
15:31:04 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:31:45 <AZ> topic: Status RDF Dataset proposal
15:32:31 <AZ> davidwood: Richard, can you answer Sandro's criticism wrt the Dataset proposal?
David Wood: Richard, can you answer Sandro's criticism wrt the Dataset proposal? [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:33:05 <davidwood> Sandro's criticism: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14#RDF_Dataset_proposal
David Wood: Sandro's criticism: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-09-14#RDF_Dataset_proposal ←
15:33:06 <AZ> ... in the minutes of the last meeting
Antoine Zimmermann: ... in the minutes of the last meeting ←
15:33:51 <AZ> cygri: the proposal is not based on use cases, but based on SPARQL specs
Richard Cyganiak: the proposal is not based on use cases, but based on SPARQL specs [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:34:20 <AZ> ... these concepts are already implemented in SPARQL graph stores
Antoine Zimmermann: ... these concepts are already implemented in SPARQL graph stores ←
15:34:31 <AZ> ... this addresses a lot of use cases
Antoine Zimmermann: ... this addresses a lot of use cases ←
15:34:50 <AZ> ... but it's worth looking at it in more details
Antoine Zimmermann: ... but it's worth looking at it in more details ←
15:35:15 <AZ> ... we have to define what cannot be addressed by the proposal
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we have to define what cannot be addressed by the proposal ←
15:35:52 <AZ> ... People who think it is not sufficient should point out which use cases are not addressed
Antoine Zimmermann: ... People who think it is not sufficient should point out which use cases are not addressed ←
15:37:15 <pchampin> q+ to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal
Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal ←
15:37:18 <AZ> ... I still think that the proposal is enough for all use cases
Antoine Zimmermann: ... I still think that the proposal is enough for all use cases ←
15:38:21 <AZ> davidwood: we are not sure the prov use case we have are use cases for the Prov WG (?)
David Wood: we are not sure the prov use case we have are use cases for the Prov WG (?) [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:38:23 <mischat> q?
Mischa Tuffield: q? ←
15:39:19 <AZ> ... we need Sandro to discuss his criticism and he's not here
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we need Sandro to discuss his criticism and he's not here ←
15:39:47 <pchampin> +1 to Richard
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to Richard ←
15:39:51 <AZ> cygri: versioning is related somehow to provenance too
Richard Cyganiak: versioning is related somehow to provenance too [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:39:54 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:39:57 <pchampin> ack me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ack me ←
15:39:59 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal
Zakim IRC Bot: pchampin, you wanted to ask a question to Richard about the dataset proposal ←
15:40:02 <davidwood> ack pchampin
David Wood: ack pchampin ←
15:40:05 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case
ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case ←
15:40:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Respond to Sandro's trust use case [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-09-28].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-91 - Respond to Sandro's trust use case [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2011-09-28]. ←
15:40:45 <AZ> Pierre-Antoine: in the dataset proposal, things are very specific to queries
Pierre-Antoine Champin: in the dataset proposal, things are very specific to queries [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:40:54 <AZ> ... eg, default graph
Antoine Zimmermann: ... eg, default graph ←
15:41:25 <AZ> ... shouldn't we clear the proposal from this focus (which comes from SPARQL)
Antoine Zimmermann: ... shouldn't we clear the proposal from this focus (which comes from SPARQL) ←
15:41:47 <AZ> cygri: true, default graph comes from SPARQL and may not be necessary
Richard Cyganiak: true, default graph comes from SPARQL and may not be necessary [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:42:25 <AZ> ... it's still open to discussion whether to keep it
Antoine Zimmermann: ... it's still open to discussion whether to keep it ←
15:42:47 <AZ> ... but it's good to take what SPARQL has and make as little changes as possible
Antoine Zimmermann: ... but it's good to take what SPARQL has and make as little changes as possible ←
15:43:42 <AZ> ... if we diverge from SPARQL, we should have a good explanation for it
Antoine Zimmermann: ... if we diverge from SPARQL, we should have a good explanation for it ←
15:44:38 <AZ> pchampin: I agree but some things in the Dataset proposal seem strange from RDF pov
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I agree but some things in the Dataset proposal seem strange from RDF pov [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:45:04 <gavinc> The strange thing to me is that there can't be more then one ;)
Gavin Carothers: The strange thing to me is that there can't be more then one ;) ←
15:45:16 <AZ> cygri: pchampin, if something seems weird, please find a cocnrete example to explain the reason
Richard Cyganiak: pchampin, if something seems weird, please find a cocnrete example to explain the reason [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:45:21 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:45:22 <AZ> pchampin: I'll do that
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'll do that [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:46:15 <AZ> davidwood: we may not be able to address the tagged literals issue
David Wood: we may not be able to address the tagged literals issue [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:46:27 <davidwood> <mailto:public-rdf-prov@w3.org>
David Wood: <mailto:public-rdf-prov@w3.org> ←
15:46:33 <AZ> ... everyone, please discuss the F2F agenda,
Antoine Zimmermann: ... everyone, please discuss the F2F agenda, ←
15:46:36 <davidwood> ^^ Please join if you are interested in graphs
David Wood: ^^ Please join if you are interested in graphs ←
15:46:45 <MacTed> what's the link/address by which to join?
Ted Thibodeau: what's the link/address by which to join? ←
15:47:00 <AZ> ... and join the Prov / RDF ML if interested in graphs
Antoine Zimmermann: ... and join the Prov / RDF ML if interested in graphs ←
15:47:06 <gavinc> <public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org> SUBSCRIBE
Gavin Carothers: <public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org> SUBSCRIBE ←
15:47:07 <mischat> public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org Subject: subscribe
Mischa Tuffield: public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org Subject: subscribe ←
15:47:18 <gavinc> NOT the mailing list address
Gavin Carothers: NOT the mailing list address ←
15:47:19 <zwu2> q+
15:47:27 <MacTed> -request is key! we don't want 17 "subscribe" messages going to the list...
Ted Thibodeau: -request is key! we don't want 17 "subscribe" messages going to the list... ←
15:47:29 <cygri> q+ to mention R2RML last call
Richard Cyganiak: q+ to mention R2RML last call ←
15:47:32 <zwu2> zakim, unmute me
15:47:32 <Zakim> zwu2 should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should no longer be muted ←
15:47:44 <davidwood> ack zwu
David Wood: ack zwu ←
15:48:18 <MacTed> <mailto:public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org?subject=SUBSCRIBE>
Ted Thibodeau: <mailto:public-rdf-prov-request@w3.org?subject=SUBSCRIBE> ←
15:48:20 <MacTed> that will work
Ted Thibodeau: that will work ←
15:48:33 <AZ> zwu2: is it possible to change the schedule a bit to have more overlapping time
Zhe Wu: is it possible to change the schedule a bit to have more overlapping time [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:48:40 <davidwood> ack cygri
David Wood: ack cygri ←
15:48:40 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to mention R2RML last call
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri, you wanted to mention R2RML last call ←
15:48:53 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/TR/r2rml/
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/TR/r2rml/ ←
15:48:57 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb-direct-mapping/
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb-direct-mapping/ ←
15:49:01 <AZ> cygri: RDB2RDF has turned their docs to last call
Richard Cyganiak: RDB2RDF has turned their docs to last call [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:49:44 <AZ> ... we invite comments, especially open questions,
Antoine Zimmermann: ... we invite comments, especially open questions, ←
15:50:10 <AZ> ... 1. whether the mapping language require a specific syntax or should it be just a vocabulary
Antoine Zimmermann: ... 1. whether the mapping language require a specific syntax or should it be just a vocabulary ←
15:50:51 <AZ> ... 2. how to get to specific parts of URIs
Antoine Zimmermann: ... 2. how to get to specific parts of URIs ←
15:51:55 <AZ> ... There are also issues related to Turtle etc wrt punctuation
Antoine Zimmermann: ... There are also issues related to Turtle etc wrt punctuation ←
15:52:19 <davidwood> q?
David Wood: q? ←
15:52:43 <AZ> davidwood: we'll adjourn (early due to lack of participants)
David Wood: we'll adjourn (early due to lack of participants) [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:53:34 <AZ> davidwood: cygri, please discuss Sandro's criticism and bring this to the list
David Wood: cygri, please discuss Sandro's criticism and bring this to the list [ Scribe Assist by Antoine Zimmermann ] ←
15:54:05 <gavinc> <People/ID-7> rdf:type <People> .
Gavin Carothers: <People/ID-7> rdf:type <People> . ←
15:55:52 <Zakim> -zwu2
Zakim IRC Bot: -zwu2 ←
15:55:54 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:55:55 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
15:55:55 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
15:55:57 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
15:55:57 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
15:55:59 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:56:04 <pchampin> bye all
Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye all ←
15:56:05 <Zakim> -Scott_Bauer
Zakim IRC Bot: -Scott_Bauer ←
15:56:20 <davidwood> RRSAgent, make minutes
David Wood: RRSAgent, make minutes ←
15:56:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html davidwood
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html davidwood ←
15:56:24 <mischat> :)
Mischa Tuffield: :) ←
15:56:28 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
15:56:29 <Zakim> -AZ
Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ ←
15:57:05 <davidwood> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
David Wood: RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
15:57:17 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
15:57:18 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended ←
15:57:20 <Zakim> Attendees were AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, Arnaud, pchampin, mischat, cygri, zwu2, LeeF, MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were AZ, davidwood, gavinc, Scott_Bauer, Arnaud, pchampin, mischat, cygri, zwu2, LeeF, MacTed ←
16:07:16 <AZ> argh, the scribe was not specified
(No events recorded for 9 minutes)
Antoine Zimmermann: argh, the scribe was not specified ←
16:07:49 <AZ> the generated minutes are not ok
Antoine Zimmermann: the generated minutes are not ok ←
16:09:23 <mischat> should do the trick
Mischa Tuffield: should do the trick ←
16:18:26 <mischat> can you not go in and edit the editable logs and add `scribe: XXXX and scribenick: XXX`
(No events recorded for 9 minutes)
Mischa Tuffield: can you not go in and edit the editable logs and add `scribe: XXXX and scribenick: XXX` ←
16:18:29 <mischat> AZ: ?
Antoine Zimmermann: ? [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ] ←
16:28:55 <MacTed> scribenick: AZ
(No events recorded for 10 minutes)
(Scribe set to Antoine Zimmermann)
16:29:01 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:29:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed ←
16:29:56 <MacTed> that may be enough...
Ted Thibodeau: that may be enough... ←
16:31:02 <MacTed> chair: davidwood
16:31:05 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:31:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html MacTed ←
16:31:47 <MacTed> RRSAgent, help
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, help ←
16:32:53 <gavinc> RRSAgent isn't what we use for Minutes BTW
Gavin Carothers: RRSAgent isn't what we use for Minutes BTW ←
16:33:02 <MacTed> chair: David Wood
16:33:12 <MacTed> bah.
Ted Thibodeau: bah. ←
16:33:49 <MacTed> competing systems that do the same thing... I loves them! :-/
Ted Thibodeau: competing systems that do the same thing... I loves them! :-/ ←
16:37:16 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
Ted Thibodeau: trackbot, end meeting ←
16:37:16 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:37:16 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
16:37:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:37:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:37:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:37:18 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-actions.rdf : ←
16:37:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [1]
ACTION: david to mail Yves if we can get to BBC later [1] ←
16:37:18 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-17-13
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-17-13 ←
16:37:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case [2]
ACTION: cygri to respond to Sandro's trust use case [2] ←
16:37:18 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-40-05
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/21-rdf-wg-irc#T15-40-05 ←
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This revision (#1) generated 2011-09-21 16:54:14 UTC by 'tthibodeau', comments: 'cleaned it up a bit... fixed scribe, etc.'