RDF Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 April 2011

Seen
Alex Hall, Andy Seaborne, Antoine Zimmermann, Axel Polleres, Dan Brickley, David Wood, Fabien Gandon, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Lee Feigenbaum, Matteo Brunati, Mischa Tuffield, Nathan Rixham, Nicholas Humfrey, Olivier Corby, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Scott Bauer, Steve Harris, Ted Thibodeau, Thomas Steiner, William Waites, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
Chair
Guus Schreiber
Scribe
Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. to accept the minutes of the F2F (both days) link
  2. to accept the minutes of TC 2011-04-20 link
  3. "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission" link
  4. Close issue-34 without adding any features (syntactic sugar) to Turtle over what is in the submission link
Topics
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14:23:25 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 73394

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14:23:25 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDFWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 37 minutes

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14:23:26 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Working Group Teleconference
14:23:26 <trackbot> Date: 27 April 2011
14:23:32 <ivan> Chair: Guus
14:53:44 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started

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14:53:51 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aaaa - is perhaps Ronald

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.760.705.aaaa - is perhaps Ronald

14:54:04 <AZ> +1.760.705.aaaa, is me

Antoine Zimmermann: +1.760.705.aaaa, is me

14:54:27 <dwood4> Mini regrets - I'm on another call and may be a few minutes late.

David Wood: Mini regrets - I'm on another call and may be a few minutes late.

14:54:53 <Zakim> +Scott

Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott

14:57:01 <Zakim> +Jerome

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jerome

14:57:19 <FabGandon> Zakim, Jerome is me

Fabien Gandon: Zakim, Jerome is me

14:57:19 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it

14:57:21 <AZ> zkim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zkim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me

14:57:27 <AZ> zakim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, +1.760.705.aaaa is me

14:57:27 <Zakim> sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '+1.760.705.aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '+1.760.705.aaaa'

14:57:36 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

14:57:49 <AZ> zakim, 1.760.705.aaaa is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, 1.760.705.aaaa is me

14:57:49 <Zakim> sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '1.760.705.aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AZ, I do not recognize a party named '1.760.705.aaaa'

14:58:04 <AZ> zakim, Ronald is me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, Ronald is me

14:58:04 <Zakim> +AZ; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it

14:58:20 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

14:58:30 <Zakim> +danbri

Zakim IRC Bot: +danbri

14:58:31 <mischat> zakim, +P13 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, +P13 is me

14:58:31 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+P13'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '+P13'

14:58:44 <mischat> zakim, ??P13 is me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P13 is me

14:58:44 <Zakim> +mischat; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it

14:58:48 <mischat> zakim, mute me

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me

14:58:48 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted

14:59:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:59:18 <webr3> Zakim, i am IPcaller

Nathan Rixham: Zakim, i am IPcaller

14:59:18 <Zakim> ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, webr3, I now associate you with [IPcaller]

14:59:43 <Zakim> +OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: +OlivierCorby

14:59:51 <Guus> richard: are you ready to scribe?

Richard Cyganiak: are you ready to scribe? [ Scribe Assist by Guus Schreiber ]

15:00:17 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

15:00:17 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

15:00:18 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

15:00:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:00:34 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

15:00:43 <mbrunati> zakim, IPCaller.a is me

Matteo Brunati: zakim, IPCaller.a is me

15:00:43 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it

15:00:46 <Zakim> +gavinc

Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc

15:01:15 <Zakim> +tomayac

Zakim IRC Bot: +tomayac

15:01:18 <Guus> zakim, who is here?

Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here?

15:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see AZ, Scott, FabGandon, Peter_Patel-Schneider, mischat (muted), danbri, [IPcaller], OlivierCorby, Ivan, mbrunati, gavinc, tomayac,  yvesr, NickH

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AZ, Scott, FabGandon, Peter_Patel-Schneider, mischat (muted), danbri, [IPcaller], OlivierCorby, Ivan, mbrunati, gavinc, tomayac, yvesr, NickH

15:01:19 <Zakim> +AlexHall

Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall

15:01:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:01:32 <AndyS> zakim, IPcaller.a is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPcaller.a is me

15:01:34 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

15:01:39 <OlivierCorby> pass code 73394 is rejected by phone number 04 26 46 79 03, had to call UK number

Olivier Corby: pass code 73394 is rejected by phone number 04 26 46 79 03, had to call UK number

15:01:40 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

15:01:44 <Zakim> +zwu2

Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2

15:01:45 <ww> zakim, ??P2 is me

William Waites: zakim, ??P2 is me

15:01:52 <zwu2> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

15:01:58 <Zakim> +ww; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ww; got it

15:01:59 <ww> zakim, mute me

William Waites: zakim, mute me

15:02:02 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted

15:02:04 <Zakim> +yvesr, NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr, NickH; got it

15:02:10 <Zakim> ww should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ww should now be muted

15:02:24 <Zakim> +David_Wood

Zakim IRC Bot: +David_Wood

15:02:33 <ivan> zakim, mute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me

15:02:36 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted

15:02:51 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:03:37 <AndyS> me was alt last week

Andy Seaborne: me was alt last week

15:03:45 <AndyS> Sure -

Andy Seaborne: Sure -

15:03:52 <AndyS> scribe: AndyS

(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

15:04:21 <AndyS> topic: admin

1. admin

15:04:22 <Zakim> -AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: -AZ

15:04:42 <pfps> Minutes F2F look fine now.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes F2F look fine now.

15:04:48 <Zakim> + +1.760.705.aabb - is perhaps AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.760.705.aabb - is perhaps AZ

15:04:54 <AndyS> Minutes of F2F:

Minutes of F2F:

15:04:55 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-13

http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-13

15:04:58 <AndyS> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-14

http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-14

15:05:15 <ivan> second

Ivan Herman: second

15:05:16 <AndyS> Proposed to accept ...

Proposed to accept ...

15:05:24 <mischat> +1 to accept

Mischa Tuffield: +1 to accept

15:05:25 <Zakim> +??P40

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40

15:05:27 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

15:05:29 <mbrunati> +1

Matteo Brunati: +1

15:05:30 <tomayac> +1

Thomas Steiner: +1

15:05:31 <dwood4> +1

David Wood: +1

15:05:36 <AndyS> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the F2F (both days)

RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of the F2F (both days)

15:05:47 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres

15:05:58 <dwood4> Zakim, who is talking?

David Wood: Zakim, who is talking?

15:05:59 <pfps> Minutes last week look fine also.

Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes last week look fine also.

15:06:06 <dwood4> seconded

David Wood: seconded

15:06:07 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

15:06:08 <Zakim> +??P46

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P46

15:06:09 <AndyS> Minutes of last telecon:    http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-20

Minutes of last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/meeting/2011-04-20

15:06:10 <Zakim> dwood4, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (28%), danbri (24%), gavinc (9%)

Zakim IRC Bot: dwood4, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AZ (28%), danbri (24%), gavinc (9%)

15:06:27 <gavinc> zakim, mute me

Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me

15:06:27 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted

15:06:30 <AndyS> RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of TC 2011-04-20

RESOLVED: to accept the minutes of TC 2011-04-20

15:06:35 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

15:06:40 <SteveH_> Zakim, ??P9 is me

Steve Harris: Zakim, ??P9 is me

15:06:40 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveH_; got it

15:06:47 <AZ> zakim, mute me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me

15:06:47 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted

15:06:49 <AndyS> subtopic: Actions mgt

1.1. Actions mgt

15:07:30 <sandro> close action-27

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-27

15:07:30 <trackbot> ACTION-27 Make sure the resolution to issue-12 gets into semantics document closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-27 Make sure the resolution to ISSUE-12 gets into semantics document closed

15:07:37 <sandro> action-28?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-28?

15:07:37 <trackbot> ACTION-28 -- Steve Harris to make sure issue-12 resolution gets to SPARQL -- due 2011-04-20 -- CLOSED

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-28 -- Steve Harris to make sure ISSUE-12 resolution gets to SPARQL -- due 2011-04-20 -- CLOSED

15:07:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/28

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/28

15:07:47 <sandro> action-30?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-30?

15:07:47 <trackbot> ACTION-30 -- Guus Schreiber to put issue-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" -- due 2011-04-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 -- Guus Schreiber to put ISSUE-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" -- due 2011-04-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

15:07:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/30

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/30

15:07:52 <sandro> close action-30

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-30

15:07:52 <trackbot> ACTION-30 Put issue-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-30 Put ISSUE-34 on agenda for next time, proposed resolution "No" closed

15:08:02 <sandro> action-36?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-36?

15:08:02 <trackbot> ACTION-36 -- Guus Schreiber to ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics -- due 2011-04-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-36 -- Guus Schreiber to ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics -- due 2011-04-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW

15:08:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/36

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/36

15:08:15 <sandro> close action-36

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-36

15:08:15 <trackbot> ACTION-36 Ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-36 Ask Pat to be an editor of RDF Semantics closed

15:08:36 <Zakim> +LeeF

Zakim IRC Bot: +LeeF

15:08:44 <sandro> action-25?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-25?

15:08:44 <trackbot> ACTION-25 -- Richard Cyganiak to write up the different options re ISSUE-15 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-25 -- Richard Cyganiak to write up the different options re ISSUE-15 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN

15:08:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/25

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/25

15:08:47 <AndyS> Open issues progress ...

Open issues progress ...

15:08:58 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kingsley_Idehen

15:09:06 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software

15:09:08 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it

15:09:13 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:09:13 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:09:15 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:09:15 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:09:19 <sandro> action-26?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-26?

15:09:19 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of action-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-26 -- Patrick Hayes to write an description of ACTION-21 -- due 2011-04-13 -- OPEN

15:09:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/26

15:09:28 <sandro> action-32?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-32?

15:09:28 <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Sandro Hawke to make public-rdf-json@w3.org -- due 2011-04-20 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 -- Sandro Hawke to make public-rdf-json@w3.org -- due 2011-04-20 -- OPEN

15:09:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/32

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/32

15:09:33 <sandro> close action-32

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-32

15:09:33 <trackbot> ACTION-32 Make public-rdf-json@w3.org closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-32 Make public-rdf-json@w3.org closed

15:09:55 <sandro> action-33?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-33?

15:09:55 <trackbot> ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2011-08-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-33 -- Dan Brickley to danbri, you wanted to note a bug in RDFS spec; it references Primer example 16 -- an example that doesn't even use rdf:value. -- due 2011-08-21 -- OPEN

15:09:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/33

15:10:27 <AndyS> Danbri suggests setting up a test area

Danbri suggests setting up a test area

15:10:37 <danbri_> ok queued for later re editorial work: cvs/svn or (tada!) mercurial

Dan Brickley: ok queued for later re editorial work: cvs/svn or (tada!) mercurial

15:10:47 <sandro> action-39?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-39?

15:10:47 <trackbot> ACTION-39 -- Sandro Hawke to look at respec's handling of references -- due 2011-04-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-39 -- Sandro Hawke to look at respec's handling of references -- due 2011-04-21 -- OPEN

15:10:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/39

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/39

15:11:26 <AndyS> Mailing list is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/

Mailing list is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/

15:12:14 <AndyS> Sandro: need experts on respec

Sandro Hawke: need experts on respec

15:12:50 <AndyS> Guus: volunteers to investigate choices -- respec, wiki text

Guus Schreiber: volunteers to investigate choices -- respec, wiki text

15:13:02 <gavinc> Sure why not

Gavin Carothers: Sure why not

15:13:07 <AndyS> dwood4: Opportunity !

David Wood: Opportunity !

15:13:11 <ww> i'll help too

William Waites: i'll help too

15:13:17 <pchampin> I'd like to help as well

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'd like to help as well

15:14:05 <AndyS> sandro: unfamiliar with respec.  OWL2 used wiki mechanism

Sandro Hawke: unfamiliar with respec. OWL2 used wiki mechanism

15:14:20 <AndyS> ... can help with wiki, have not used respec

... can help with wiki, have not used respec

15:14:23 <pchampin> It has been used by the media-annotation WG as well

Pierre-Antoine Champin: It has been used by the media-annotation WG as well

15:14:28 <pchampin> it = respect

Pierre-Antoine Champin: it = respec

15:14:36 <pchampin> I can ask them about it as well

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I can ask them about it as well

15:14:40 <sandro> s/respect/respec/
15:14:41 <ivan> zakim, unmute me

Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me

15:14:41 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted

15:15:17 <gavinc> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html ?

Gavin Carothers: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html ?

15:15:42 <mischat> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html

Mischa Tuffield: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/ReSpec.js/documentation.html

15:15:52 <mischat> http://berjon.com/slides/20091104-respec/_respec.html <-- some slides

Mischa Tuffield: http://berjon.com/slides/20091104-respec/_respec.html <-- some slides

15:15:57 <AndyS> ivan: respec: javascript based. Edit HTML doc, with scripts, format for W3C e.g. status, boilerplate,

Ivan Herman: respec: javascript based. Edit HTML doc, with scripts, format for W3C e.g. status, boilerplate,

15:16:10 <AndyS> ... javascript to modify benehaviour

... javascript to modify benehaviour

15:16:25 <AndyS> ... generates pure HTML5 (pub form has no scripts)

... generates pure HTML5 (pub form has no scripts)

15:16:49 <AndyS> ... references: one big javascript file for refs for all W3C docs.

... references: one big javascript file for refs for all W3C docs.

15:16:59 <pfps> a big problem with the Wiki solution was performing edits while off line - is this also a problem with respec?

Peter Patel-Schneider: a big problem with the Wiki solution was performing edits while off line - is this also a problem with respec?

15:17:08 <AndyS> ... possible to have WG level DB for refs/drafts

... possible to have WG level DB for refs/drafts

15:18:18 <AndyS> ... missing - cross link to anchors in drafts. javascript coding needed to automate.

... missing - cross link to anchors in drafts. javascript coding needed to automate.

15:18:34 <AndyS> ... +ve: HTML - edit in HTML

... +ve: HTML - edit in HTML

15:18:45 <AndyS> ... browser with javascript

... browser with javascript

15:19:25 <AndyS> ... offline - edit locally works - scripts local

... offline - edit locally works - scripts local

15:19:38 <AndyS> sandro: how can I experiment with it?

Sandro Hawke: how can I experiment with it?

15:19:48 <AndyS> ivan: it's own doc is an example

Ivan Herman: it's own doc is an example

15:20:15 <AndyS> ivan: it's not an editor - its format support.

Ivan Herman: it's not an editor - its format support.

15:20:25 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

15:20:28 <AndyS> Guus: thanks for explaination

Guus Schreiber: thanks for explaination

15:20:29 <ww> i was actually looking for something like that earlier today

William Waites: i was actually looking for something like that earlier today

15:20:44 <AndyS> sandro: Conversion tools?

Sandro Hawke: Conversion tools?

15:20:59 <AndyS> ivan: no. Need section element of HTML5 and so get TOC

Ivan Herman: no. Need section element of HTML5 and so get TOC

15:21:11 <gavinc> uses the outline HTML5 method as well

Gavin Carothers: uses the outline HTML5 method as well

15:21:17 <pfps> I think that we should be OK wrt <section> as respec maps <hn> appropriately.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I think that we should be OK wrt <section> as respec maps <hn> appropriately.

15:21:43 <AndyS> One time pain to convert

One time pain to convert

15:21:44 <pchampin> and converting html4 to html5 seems easier than html4 to wiki...

Pierre-Antoine Champin: and converting html4 to html5 seems easier than html4 to wiki...

15:22:02 <AndyS> action-40?

ACTION-40?

15:22:02 <trackbot> ACTION-40 -- Mischa Tuffield to look into soton video conf facilities -- due 2011-04-27 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-40 -- Mischa Tuffield to look into soton video conf facilities -- due 2011-04-27 -- OPEN

15:22:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/40

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/actions/40

15:22:03 <mischat> yup, southampton are in theory happy

Mischa Tuffield: yup, southampton are in theory happy

15:22:07 <mischat> it is up to us

Mischa Tuffield: it is up to us

15:22:17 <sandro> close action-40

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-40

15:22:17 <trackbot> ACTION-40 Look into soton video conf facilities closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-40 Look into soton video conf facilities closed

15:22:26 <AndyS> topic: F2F2

2. F2F2

15:23:59 <AndyS> Guus: Not much change from last week in poll results

Guus Schreiber: Not much change from last week in poll results

15:24:10 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:24:23 <AndyS> ... there 4 F2F for the WG

... there 4 F2F for the WG

15:24:41 <AndyS> ... split to be fair to all

... split to be fair to all

15:25:02 <AndyS> ... west, east, EU, ?

... west, east, EU, ?

15:25:12 <AndyS> ... Ivan can make west coast dates only

... Ivan can make west coast dates only

15:25:40 <AndyS> ivan: sandro can make the East coast dates

Ivan Herman: sandro can make the East coast dates

15:26:06 <AndyS> ... linked to RDB2RDF , RDF web apps

... linked to RDB2RDF , RDF web apps

15:26:16 <AndyS> ... RDB2RDF - TPAC ??

... RDB2RDF - TPAC ??

15:26:31 <AndyS> ... RDF web apps - many invited experts so cost issus

... RDF web apps - many invited experts so cost issus

15:27:02 <AndyS> Guus: if video link, east coast location is better

Guus Schreiber: if video link, east coast location is better

15:27:12 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:27:12 <zwu2> can we change the date for the East coast?

Zhe Wu: can we change the date for the East coast?

15:27:43 <mischat> I like the idea of east coast + video link

Mischa Tuffield: I like the idea of east coast + video link

15:27:57 <mischat> southampton can host it

Mischa Tuffield: southampton can host it

15:28:01 <AndyS> ... weak case for TPAC currently, go East Coast, aim to go West coast for future US F2F

... weak case for TPAC currently, go East Coast, aim to go West coast for future US F2F

15:28:23 <yvesr> mischat, +1

Yves Raimond: mischat, +1

15:28:25 <gavinc> mmm, it's 1 person, not 2 or 3

Gavin Carothers: mmm, it's 1 person, not 2 or 3

15:28:37 <webr3> mischat, +1 here too

Nathan Rixham: mischat, +1 here too

15:29:12 <zwu2> can we swap East coast date with West coast date?

Zhe Wu: can we swap East coast date with West coast date?

15:29:19 <zwu2> yes

Zhe Wu: yes

15:29:21 <mischat> zakim, who is making noise ?

Mischa Tuffield: zakim, who is making noise ?

15:29:32 <Zakim> mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: danbri (96%), Sandro (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: mischat, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: danbri (96%), Sandro (4%)

15:29:34 <sandro> No, zwu2

Sandro Hawke: No, zwu2

15:29:41 <zwu2> yes

Zhe Wu: yes

15:29:52 <zwu2> Oracle has a conference that week

Zhe Wu: Oracle has a conference that week

15:30:09 <gavinc> Boston prefered to Murray Hill as well

Gavin Carothers: Boston prefered to Murray Hill as well

15:30:10 <AndyS> Results are at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/RDFWGFTF2/results

Results are at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/46168/RDFWGFTF2/results

15:30:59 <AndyS> Ivan: budget issues - EU link would help

Ivan Herman: budget issues - EU link would help

15:32:12 <NickH> UK satellite would work well for me and yvesr

Nicholas Humfrey: UK satellite would work well for me and yvesr

15:33:00 <pchampin> it would be easier for me as well

Pierre-Antoine Champin: it would be easier for me as well

15:33:35 <AndyS> (much discussion about alternative date possibilities)

(much discussion about alternative date possibilities)

15:34:35 <sandro> Proposed: F2F2 US/East Oct 11-12

PROPOSED: F2F2 US/East Oct 11-12

15:34:53 <zwu2> Oct 11-12 is fine for me

Zhe Wu: Oct 11-12 is fine for me

15:34:58 <pfps> That week (Canadian Thanksgiving) is not ideal for me.

Peter Patel-Schneider: That week (Canadian Thanksgiving) is not ideal for me.

15:35:08 <AndyS> 9 days before ISWC

9 days before ISWC

15:36:45 <gavinc> Canadian Thanksgiving

Gavin Carothers: Canadian Thanksgiving

15:37:03 <sandro> new poll - oct 4-5 vs oct 12-13,

Sandro Hawke: new poll - oct 4-5 vs oct 12-13,

15:37:11 <AndyS> Guus: new poll: two choices: in oct, East Coast

Guus Schreiber: new poll: two choices: in oct, East Coast

15:37:22 <AndyS> video conf facilities?

video conf facilities?

15:37:35 <mischat> i wonder if a video link up is going to be on the table

Mischa Tuffield: i wonder if a video link up is going to be on the table

15:37:38 <mischat> ?

Mischa Tuffield: ?

15:37:48 <gavinc> Cambridge has lots of hotels.

Gavin Carothers: Cambridge has lots of hotels.

15:39:03 <AndyS> Do we know the numbers at each end roughly?

Do we know the numbers at each end roughly?

15:39:29 <AndyS> pfps: Our best room holds 110 - too big for practical purposes?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Our best room holds 110 - too big for practical purposes?

15:39:46 <AndyS> sandro: who would go where?

Sandro Hawke: who would go where?

15:39:54 <AndyS> Guus: will add to poll

Guus Schreiber: will add to poll

15:39:59 <sandro> guus, ask another question about who would be where, if we do a video link.

Sandro Hawke: guus, ask another question about who would be where, if we do a video link.

15:40:37 <sandro> action: guus to set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13.

ACTION: guus to set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13.

15:40:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-05-04].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-41 - Set up poll about which site you'd use if we have a video link, pref murray hill vs cambridge/mit, and oct 4-5 vs oct-12-13. [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-05-04].

15:41:10 <AndyS> Topic: list discussion

3. list discussion

15:41:33 <AndyS> Guus: pls us WG list for WG work mainly - general discussions to general lists

Guus Schreiber: pls us WG list for WG work mainly - general discussions to general lists

15:42:23 <AndyS> topic: Reconcile various forms of string literals

4. Reconcile various forms of string literals

15:42:27 <AndyS> Issue-12?

ISSUE-12?

15:42:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Reconcile various forms of string literals (time permitting) -- open

15:42:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/12

15:43:09 <AndyS> ivan: I raised the issue to make sure it got done.

Ivan Herman: I raised the issue to make sure it got done.

15:43:22 <AndyS> ... pfps suggests this is a non-issue

... pfps suggests this is a non-issue

15:44:13 <AndyS> pfps: It it not a non-issue - semantics says xsd:string are  same as plain literals no lang tag

Peter Patel-Schneider: It it not a non-issue - semantics says xsd:string are same as plain literals no lang tag

15:44:28 <pfps> s/it it/it is/

Peter Patel-Schneider: s/it it/it is/ (warning: replacement failed)

15:44:32 <AZ> +q

Antoine Zimmermann: +q

15:44:33 <Zakim> -OlivierCorby

Zakim IRC Bot: -OlivierCorby

15:44:48 <AZ> zakim, unmute

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, unmute

15:44:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', AZ

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', AZ

15:44:51 <AndyS> ivan: F2F1 was that simple literals preferred

Ivan Herman: F2F1 was that simple literals preferred

15:44:56 <AndyS> ... some push back

... some push back

15:45:05 <mischat> zakime, unmute AZ

Mischa Tuffield: zakime, unmute AZ

15:45:06 <AZ> zakim, unmute me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, unmute me

15:45:06 <Zakim> AZ should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should no longer be muted

15:45:52 <AndyS> ... status is that F2F resolution has some -1's

... status is that F2F resolution has some -1's

15:45:57 <AndyS> Guus: where are we?

Guus Schreiber: where are we?

15:46:48 <AndyS> AZ: my prob with resolution is "archaic" means "do not use" but I want to use in rdfs:range.

Antoine Zimmermann: my prob with resolution is "archaic" means "do not use" but I want to use in rdfs:range.

15:47:04 <AZ> "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed  literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to  plain literals without language tag."

Antoine Zimmermann: "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to plain literals without language tag."

15:47:10 <AndyS> ... I think that archaic suggest don't do that.

... I think that archaic suggest don't do that.

15:47:18 <AndyS> ... (suggests text)

... (suggests text)

15:47:32 <LeeF> q+

Lee Feigenbaum: q+

15:47:35 <sandro> Yes, agreed -- the intention was this -- it wasn't about disallowing xs:string as a range constraint

Sandro Hawke: Yes, agreed -- the intention was this -- it wasn't about disallowing xs:string as a range constraint

15:47:37 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

15:47:41 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

15:47:53 <ivan> ack AZ

Ivan Herman: ack AZ

15:48:23 <AndyS> LeeF: Want range thing and SPARQL datatype is already xsd:string

Lee Feigenbaum: Want range thing and SPARQL datatype is already xsd:string

15:48:28 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:48:32 <ivan> ack LeeF

Ivan Herman: ack LeeF

15:48:37 <AndyS> ... goal of align is desirable

... goal of align is desirable

15:48:46 <sandro> lee: I want the sparql DATATYPE function to return xs:string on these things, but it might already be.

Lee Feigenbaum: I want the sparql DATATYPE function to return xs:string on these things, but it might already be. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:49:10 <Guus> ack ivan

Guus Schreiber: ack ivan

15:49:37 <pfps> The datatype rdf:PlainLiteral is bigger than xsd:string

Peter Patel-Schneider: The datatype rdf:PlainLiteral is bigger than xsd:string

15:49:42 <AndyS> ivan: rdf:PlainLiteral usable?

Ivan Herman: rdf:PlainLiteral usable?

15:49:53 <AndyS> sandro: No - includes language tage

Sandro Hawke: No - includes language tage

15:50:06 <AZ> "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed  literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to  plain literals without language tag."

Antoine Zimmermann: "Recommend that publishers use plain literals instead of xs:string typed literals and tell systems to silently convert xs:string literals to plain literals without language tag."

15:50:13 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-datatype -- it is the case that datatype("foo") = xsd:string

Lee Feigenbaum: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#func-datatype -- it is the case that datatype("foo") = xsd:string

15:50:27 <yvesr> AZ, +1

Yves Raimond: AZ, +1

15:50:34 <LeeF> q+

Lee Feigenbaum: q+

15:50:47 <ivan> ack LeeF

Ivan Herman: ack LeeF

15:50:53 <AndyS> Guus: please propose on the list

Guus Schreiber: please propose on the list

15:51:08 <AndyS> LeeF: need to check experts in CSI

Lee Feigenbaum: need to check experts in CSI

15:51:19 <pchampin> q+ to ask ask a clarification

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+ to ask ask a clarification

15:51:25 <AndyS> Guus: One week on the list, bring to WG next week.

Guus Schreiber: One week on the list, bring to WG next week.

15:51:51 <AndyS> action: AZ Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings

ACTION: AZ Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings

15:51:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2011-05-04].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-42 - Propose text for resolution on archaic xsd:strings [on Antoine Zimmermann - due 2011-05-04].

15:52:12 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

15:52:13 <AZ> zakim, mute me

Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me

15:52:13 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted

15:52:19 <webr3> issue-34?

Nathan Rixham: ISSUE-34?

15:52:19 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Do we need to add syntactic sugar to turtle, beyond what's in the Submission (such as inverse paths and =)? -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Do we need to add syntactic sugar to turtle, beyond what's in the Submission (such as inverse paths and =)? -- open

15:52:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/34

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/34

15:52:30 <AndyS> topic: syntactic sugar to turtle

5. syntactic sugar to turtle

15:52:52 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

15:53:25 <Danbri> Q+ to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally?

Dan Brickley: Q+ to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally?

15:53:36 <AndyS> Guus: Please phrase as proposal then bring to TC next week

Guus Schreiber: Please phrase as proposal then bring to TC next week

15:53:47 <Guus> ack danbri

Guus Schreiber: ack danbri

15:53:47 <Zakim> Danbri, you wanted to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally?

Zakim IRC Bot: Danbri, you wanted to ask if sparql 1.1 paths are useful assertionally?

15:53:51 <AndyS> danbri: SPARQL paths?

Dan Brickley: SPARQL paths?

15:54:05 <AndyS> q+

q+

15:54:07 <yvesr> Danbri, I mentioned that at the f2f, consensus was to not do it i think

Yves Raimond: Danbri, I mentioned that at the f2f, consensus was to not do it i think

15:54:12 <SteveH> propose - "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission"

Steve Harris: propose - "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission"

15:54:26 <yvesr> Danbri, although i see the point and why it could be useful

Yves Raimond: Danbri, although i see the point and why it could be useful

15:54:34 <AndyS> steveH: paths only in SPARQL where clause

Steve Harris: paths only in SPARQL where clause

15:54:45 <Guus> ack AndyS

Guus Schreiber: ack AndyS

15:54:58 <yvesr> yep

Yves Raimond: yep

15:55:05 <pchampin> and what about '*' paths :-/

Pierre-Antoine Champin: and what about '*' paths :-/

15:55:06 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres

Zakim IRC Bot: -AxelPolleres

15:55:08 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:55:17 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

15:55:17 <mischat> AndyS: if you wanted to add the paths to turtle, there would be issues re: bnodes

Andy Seaborne: if you wanted to add the paths to turtle, there would be issues re: bnodes [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ]

15:55:18 <AndyS> AndyS: need to decide what intermediate nodes are

Andy Seaborne: need to decide what intermediate nodes are

15:55:22 <AndyS> q-

q-

15:55:32 <AndyS> Guus: any more input?

Guus Schreiber: any more input?

15:55:37 <ivan> second it

Ivan Herman: second it

15:55:55 <mischat> any objections to the proposal

Mischa Tuffield: any objections to the proposal

15:56:00 <mischat> ?

Mischa Tuffield: ?

15:56:21 <AndyS> RESOLVED: "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission"

RESOLVED: "to not add any features to Turtle over what is in the submission"

15:56:37 <Danbri> I would be interested to hear more re paths, but maybe off wg list for now

Dan Brickley: I would be interested to hear more re paths, but maybe off wg list for now

15:56:54 <sandro> RESOLVED: Close issue-34 without adding any features (syntactic sugar) to Turtle over what is in the submission

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-34 without adding any features (syntactic sugar) to Turtle over what is in the submission

15:57:15 <AndyS> topic: Turtle and SPARQL-WG LC timing

6. Turtle and SPARQL-WG LC timing

15:57:17 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas

15:57:27 <cygri_> zakim, mhausenblas is me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is me

15:57:27 <Zakim> +cygri_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri_; got it

15:57:46 <AndyS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Apr/0470.html

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Apr/0470.html

15:57:59 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:58:14 <AndyS> LeeF: SPARQL-WG has decided to make 18. change inc fix tests

Lee Feigenbaum: SPARQL-WG has decided to make 18. change inc fix tests

15:58:46 <AndyS> ... so now is the Turtle features going to change (see email for diffs)

... so now is the Turtle features going to change (see email for diffs)

15:59:17 <AndyS> See - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle

See - http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle

15:59:45 <AndyS> sandro: could put "at risk" so end of LC is latest to resolve

Sandro Hawke: could put "at risk" so end of LC is latest to resolve

16:00:08 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:00:10 <AndyS> LeeF: OK but not favorite - many items - confusing

Lee Feigenbaum: OK but not favorite - many items - confusing

16:01:07 <Zakim> +??P49

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49

16:01:34 <Zakim> +yvesr, NickH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr, NickH; got it

16:01:43 <sandro> AndyS: Of the difference on the wiki page I did, probably the biggest is freestanding bnode property lists

Andy Seaborne: Of the difference on the wiki page I did, probably the biggest is freestanding bnode property lists [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:01:45 <mischat> Guus: what are the main issues this wg will have in terms of syncing with turtle

Guus Schreiber: what are the main issues this wg will have in terms of syncing with turtle [ Scribe Assist by Mischa Tuffield ]

16:01:56 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

16:02:11 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#bNode_property_lists

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#bNode_property_lists

16:02:11 <sandro> sandro: how to move forward on this, Andy?

Sandro Hawke: how to move forward on this, Andy? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:02:38 <sandro> AndyS: Two options -- publish turtle exactly matching sparql, or adopt principle of aligning them

Andy Seaborne: Two options -- publish turtle exactly matching sparql, or adopt principle of aligning them [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:03:12 <gavinc> Prefer the 2nd to the first?

Gavin Carothers: Prefer the 2nd to the first?

16:03:16 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: We agree in principle to align TURTLE and SPARQL

STRAWPOLL: We agree in principle to align TURTLE and SPARQL

16:03:17 <zwu2> +1 to consistency

Zhe Wu: +1 to consistency

16:03:23 <AndyS> +1

+1

16:03:26 <sandro> guus: no one speaking against it

Guus Schreiber: no one speaking against it [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:03:26 <dwood4> +1

David Wood: +1

16:03:32 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

16:03:32 <yvesr> +1

Yves Raimond: +1

16:03:33 <LeeF> +1

Lee Feigenbaum: +1

16:03:34 <NickH> +1

Nicholas Humfrey: +1

16:03:37 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

16:03:38 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

16:03:39 <Danbri> If we do leave wiggle room between the specs, we can also include notes on the subtle differences in our spec

Dan Brickley: If we do leave wiggle room between the specs, we can also include notes on the subtle differences in our spec

16:03:39 <gavinc> +1

Gavin Carothers: +1

16:03:41 <mbrunati> +1

Matteo Brunati: +1

16:03:49 <Danbri> +1

Dan Brickley: +1

16:03:50 <cygri> +1 to consistency, but still requires case-by-case consideration

Richard Cyganiak: +1 to consistency, but still requires case-by-case consideration

16:03:50 <AZ> +1

Antoine Zimmermann: +1

16:04:14 <FabGandon> +1

Fabien Gandon: +1

16:04:18 <SteveH> +1

Steve Harris: +1

16:04:20 <sandro> AndyS: I'm not sure of the state of current implementations on these corner cases.

Andy Seaborne: I'm not sure of the state of current implementations on these corner cases. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:04:29 <LeeF> I'd like that the default state be "align Turtle to SPARQL", and that there have to be a strong technical compelling case in order to go in the other direction

Lee Feigenbaum: I'd like that the default state be "align Turtle to SPARQL", and that there have to be a strong technical compelling case in order to go in the other direction

16:04:56 <sandro> AndyS: I'd be happy to remove free-standing lists from SPARQL

Andy Seaborne: I'd be happy to remove free-standing lists from SPARQL [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:05:36 <sandro> guus: So, there might be some detailed features at risk, but they are pretty well aligned so far

Guus Schreiber: So, there might be some detailed features at risk, but they are pretty well aligned so far [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:05:52 <sandro> guus: So, do you want us to put these on a priority list?

Guus Schreiber: So, do you want us to put these on a priority list? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:06:02 <sandro> AndyS: I'd rather NOT go through them feature-by-feature.

Andy Seaborne: I'd rather NOT go through them feature-by-feature. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:06:26 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF "compelling" case needed

+1 to LeeF "compelling" case needed

16:06:48 <dwood4> +1 to needing a compelling case to diviate

David Wood: +1 to needing a compelling case to diviate

16:06:58 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: -Peter_Patel-Schneider

16:06:59 <sandro> sandro: Is the proposal that SPARQL last call  (next week) is last call for any changes to TURTLE???

Sandro Hawke: Is the proposal that SPARQL last call (next week) is last call for any changes to TURTLE??? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:07:14 <Danbri> Zakim, who is on the call

Dan Brickley: Zakim, who is on the call

16:07:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', Danbri

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', Danbri

16:07:20 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider

Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider

16:07:40 <sandro> AndyS: That would be nice, but that's not it.

Andy Seaborne: That would be nice, but that's not it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:07:55 <sandro> guus: The spirit is to align them

Guus Schreiber: The spirit is to align them [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:08:34 <sandro> ivan: I understand the freestanding list, the bnode brackets, I have no problem deciding now that TURTLE should adopt those and move on.   I fail to grasp the backslash-u issue.

Ivan Herman: I understand the freestanding list, the bnode brackets, I have no problem deciding now that TURTLE should adopt those and move on. I fail to grasp the backslash-u issue. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:08:47 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#Escape_Processing

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Diff_SPARQL_Turtle#Escape_Processing

16:09:43 <sandro> AndyS: SPARQL and TURTLE have an escape mechanism that works slightly differently, in addition Eric is proposing adding them to prefix names.

Andy Seaborne: SPARQL and TURTLE have an escape mechanism that works slightly differently, in addition Eric is proposing adding them to prefix names. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:09:45 <cygri> q+

Richard Cyganiak: q+

16:09:52 <ivan> q-

Ivan Herman: q-

16:10:36 <sandro> guus: Is this the only item where you (Andy) and Eric disagree?  If so, it seems like a good thing to mark At Risk.

Guus Schreiber: Is this the only item where you (Andy) and Eric disagree? If so, it seems like a good thing to mark At Risk. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:11:16 <sandro> AndyS: Are you talking about the difference in escape processing, or about eric's SPARQL feature request.

Andy Seaborne: Are you talking about the difference in escape processing, or about eric's SPARQL feature request. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:11:25 <Guus> q?

Guus Schreiber: q?

16:11:28 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

16:11:46 <Zakim> -FabGandon

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16:11:50 <sandro> ivan: is it just these three things?

Ivan Herman: is it just these three things? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:11:57 <ivan> ack cygri

Ivan Herman: ack cygri

16:12:04 <sandro> AndyS: I think so, no one else has brought anything else up

Andy Seaborne: I think so, no one else has brought anything else up [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:12:57 <sandro> cygri: I have concerns about this unicode escape issue -- this needs more discussion.    I think the current sparql approach isnt optimal for turtle.  I don't have a strong opinion about whether this means SPARQL should change, or the two should deviate on this.

Richard Cyganiak: I have concerns about this unicode escape issue -- this needs more discussion. I think the current sparql approach isnt optimal for turtle. I don't have a strong opinion about whether this means SPARQL should change, or the two should deviate on this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:13:27 <sandro> ... I also agree all the other issues, TURTLE should follow SPARQL, except maybe on final-dot at end of document.

Sandro Hawke: ... I also agree all the other issues, TURTLE should follow SPARQL, except maybe on final-dot at end of document.

16:13:39 <Danbri> Ivan/sandro, can you investigate shared filespace issue for the wg? Mercurial etc...? I'd like to close my rdfs issue... by opening an editors draft

Dan Brickley: Ivan/sandro, can you investigate shared filespace issue for the wg? Mercurial etc...? I'd like to close my rdfs issue... by opening an editors draft

16:13:47 <sandro> cygri: So unicode escape is the one place there might still be a need for SPARQL to change.

Richard Cyganiak: So unicode escape is the one place there might still be a need for SPARQL to change. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:14:06 <sandro> Danbri, we can get mercurial space, yes.

Sandro Hawke: Danbri, we can get mercurial space, yes.

16:14:22 <Danbri> Please :)

Dan Brickley: Please :)

16:14:26 <sandro> guus: So, Lee, it sounds like you should mark the unicode stuff at risk.

Guus Schreiber: So, Lee, it sounds like you should mark the unicode stuff at risk. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

16:14:42 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

16:14:44 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

16:14:48 <AndyS> yvesr - currently yes

yvesr - currently yes

16:14:56 <AndyS> yvesr - currently correct

yvesr - currently correct

16:15:00 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:15:06 <SteveH> there is a wiki page

Steve Harris: there is a wiki page

16:15:12 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Skolemization

16:15:32 <AndyS> topic: skolemization meta-discussion

7. skolemization meta-discussion

16:16:01 <AndyS> Guus: next two weeks - be clear about options

Guus Schreiber: next two weeks - be clear about options

16:16:07 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/mid/0B4851C8-3017-4295-9F95-38347A4BF0D1@cyganiak.de

Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/mid/0B4851C8-3017-4295-9F95-38347A4BF0D1@cyganiak.de

16:16:09 <AndyS> ... then we can get to resolution

... then we can get to resolution

16:16:15 <ivan> zakim, drop me

Ivan Herman: zakim, drop me

16:16:15 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected

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16:16:15 <AndyS> adjourned

adjourned

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16:16:18 <zwu2> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

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16:16:24 <Zakim> -MacTed

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16:16:24 <mbrunati> bye

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16:16:27 <yvesr> bye

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16:16:28 <Zakim> -ww

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16:16:32 <LeeF> thanks, Guus

Lee Feigenbaum: thanks, Guus

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16:24:19 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.760.705.aaaa, Scott, FabGandon, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AZ, danbri, mischat, [IPcaller], OlivierCorby, Ivan, mbrunati, gavinc, tomayac, AlexHall, AndyS, zwu2, ww,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.760.705.aaaa, Scott, FabGandon, Peter_Patel-Schneider, AZ, danbri, mischat, [IPcaller], OlivierCorby, Ivan, mbrunati, gavinc, tomayac, AlexHall, AndyS, zwu2, ww,

16:24:22 <Zakim> ... yvesr, NickH, David_Wood, Sandro, +1.760.705.aabb, pchampin, AxelPolleres, SteveH_, LeeF, MacTed, cygri_

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