Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 04 April 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.04
Seen
Christine Runnegar, Craig Trim, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stephen Cresswell, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Ted Thibodeau, Tom De Nies
Chair
Paul Groth
Scribe
Christine Runnegar
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon link
  2. release prov-primer as a final note link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Minutes of March 28, 2013 meetings were approved. All action items were closed.

  2. AC Rep Reminder

    The group went over the current AC Rep voting. Currently 16 replies. Encouraged members to reach out to their AC Reps or AC Reps they know.

  3. Blog Posts

    Blog posts on dublic core and edbt tutorials were posted. Blog post on PAQ and RDFa will go up next week. Thanks to Daniel, Stian, Paolo for writing posts.

  4. PROV-Overview

    Paul is still working on it hopes to send by Monday

  5. PROV-XML

    Stephan just published a version for review. FAQ on JAXB will come later. Paul, Luc, Tom to review. James will ask Henry Thompson about possibly reviewing. Reviews are due by Thursday.

  6. PROV-AQ

    Reviews have been received from Stian and Luc. Sam's review will be received after the call. The reviews have no blocking issues but there are issues to be addressed. Graham will circulate information in the coming week.

  7. PROV-SEM

    Draft is almost done. Made available for reviewers to begin to review. Simon, Tom and Satya will review. Tom has asked a colleague to have a look as well. Reviews are due by Thursday. Luc will attempt a quick review.

  8. PROV-Primer

    All reviews were positive with only minor changes. The group voted to release the primer as a final working group note.

  9. PROV-DC

    all reviews were received for prov-dc. Stian had one concern about the mapping of version. The group agreed to continue the discussion on this to the mailing list. Vote will be had next telcon.

  10. PROV-Dictionary

    There were no blocking issues but quite some changes to address, thus the vote was delayed till next week.

  11. PROV-Links

    4 reviews were received, Luc will read and respond in detail later.

  12. PROV Implementations

    No change to implementations except for the need to rerun scripts to update the tables. The group agreed that there was no need for a re-review.

  13. Provenance of Docs

    Luc created a full provenance trace for all the documents. We discussed the issue of identifying authors. There was some consensus to use the working group wiki page's to identify people. Editors can either use this provenance trace or create their own.

14:40:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-prov-irc

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14:40:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:40:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:40:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 20 minutes

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14:40:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:40:21 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2013
14:53:45 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.04

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Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.04

14:55:14 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:55:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:55:36 <pgroth> trackbot, start telcon

Paul Groth: trackbot, start telcon

14:55:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

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14:55:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:55:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

14:55:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:55:41 <trackbot> Date: 04 April 2013
14:55:43 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:55:44 <Zakim> ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pgroth, I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM already started

14:56:19 <pgroth> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.04
14:56:30 <pgroth> Chair: Paul Groth
14:56:37 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

Paul Groth: rrsagent, make logs public

14:56:42 <pgroth> zakim, who is on the call?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is on the call?

14:56:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see [IPcaller]

14:56:50 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:56:50 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

14:57:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:58:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

14:59:15 <pgroth> can anyone scribe?

Paul Groth: can anyone scribe?

14:59:17 <christine> Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is christine

Christine Runnegar: Zakim, [IPcaller.a] is christine

14:59:17 <Zakim> +christine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +christine; got it

14:59:33 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

14:59:48 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

14:59:49 <GK> zakim, ??p6 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p6 is me

14:59:51 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

14:59:56 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P10 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P10 is me

14:59:56 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:00:13 <pgroth> scribe: christine

(Scribe set to Christine Runnegar)

15:00:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:00:32 <Zakim> + +1.661.748.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.661.748.aaaa

15:00:46 <pgroth> Zakim, who is on  the call?

Paul Groth: Zakim, who is on the call?

15:00:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, [IPcaller], christine, GK, dgarijo, [IPcaller.a], +1.661.748.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, [IPcaller], christine, GK, dgarijo, [IPcaller.a], +1.661.748.aaaa

15:00:53 <stain> zakim, « and » is me

Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, « and » is me

15:00:53 <Zakim> I don't understand '« and » is me', stain

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '« and » is me', stain

15:00:56 <stain> args!

Stian Soiland-Reyes: args!

15:01:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa]

15:01:12 <smiles> zakim, +1.661.748.aaaa is me

Simon Miles: zakim, +1.661.748.aaaa is me

15:01:12 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

15:01:13 <Luc_> zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, +[IPcaller.aa] is me

15:01:13 <Zakim> sorry, Luc_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Luc_, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller.aa]'

15:01:17 <stain> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

15:01:17 <Zakim> +stain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it

15:01:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:01:22 <pgroth> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Minutes of March 28, 2013 meetings were approved. All action items were closed.

<pgroth> Summary: Minutes of March 28, 2013 meetings were approved. All action items were closed.
15:01:28 <Luc_> zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me

Luc Moreau: zakim, [IPcaller.aa] is me

15:01:28 <Zakim> +Luc_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc_; got it

15:01:29 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-03-28

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-03-28

15:01:36 <pgroth> Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon

Paul Groth: Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon

15:01:41 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:01:45 <christine> Vote on minutes of last week

Vote on minutes of last week

15:01:48 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:01:51 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:01:58 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:02:01 <khalidBelhajjame> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

Khalid Belhajjame: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me

15:02:02 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:02:03 <Zakim> +khalidBelhajjame; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +khalidBelhajjame; got it

15:02:23 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

15:02:26 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:02:26 <pgroth> accepted: Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon

RESOLVED: Minutes of March 28, 2013 Telcon

15:02:38 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aabb

15:02:38 <christine> Review of Open Action Items

Review of Open Action Items

15:02:48 <christine> Update to editorial (for Paul)

Update to editorial (for Paul)

15:02:49 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:02:54 <ivan> zakim, code?

Ivan Herman: zakim, code?

15:02:54 <Zakim> the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7768 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

15:02:59 <christine> Closed - Graham took care of this

Closed - Graham took care of this

15:03:14 <Zakim> +ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +ivan

15:03:16 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:03:16 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:03:18 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:03:18 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:03:21 <christine> Blog post action items are also closed

Blog post action items are also closed

15:03:38 <pgroth> Topic: AC Rep Reminder

2. AC Rep Reminder

Summary: The group went over the current AC Rep voting. Currently 16 replies. Encouraged members to reach out to their AC Reps or AC Reps they know.

<pgroth> Summary: The group went over the current AC Rep voting. Currently 16 replies. Encouraged members to reach out to their AC Reps or AC Reps they know.
15:03:52 <pgroth> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/provpf/results

Paul Groth: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/provpf/results

15:04:01 <christine> Results of current voting see link above

Results of current voting see link above

15:04:07 <christine> 16 votes so far

16 votes so far

15:04:25 <christine> Quite good. It would be good to have more votes.

Quite good. It would be good to have more votes.

15:04:43 <christine> Still waiting for some replies. We may get up to 19 votes by next week.

Still waiting for some replies. We may get up to 19 votes by next week.

15:04:58 <Zakim> +TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN

15:05:06 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:05:06 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:05:09 <christine> Paul: Please make sure your AC Reps vote.

Paul Groth: Please make sure your AC Reps vote.

15:05:12 <pgroth> 1?

Paul Groth: 1?

15:05:14 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:05:25 <pgroth> Topic: Blog Posts

3. Blog Posts

Summary: Blog posts on dublic core and edbt tutorials were posted. Blog post on PAQ and RDFa will go up next week. Thanks to Daniel, Stian, Paolo for writing posts.

<pgroth> Summary: Blog posts on dublic core and edbt tutorials were posted. Blog post on PAQ and RDFa will go up next week. Thanks to Daniel, Stian, Paolo for writing posts.
15:05:33 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2013/03/29/dublin-core-to-prov-mapping/

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2013/03/29/dublin-core-to-prov-mapping/

15:05:40 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2013/04/03/successful-prov-tutorial-at-edbt/

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2013/04/03/successful-prov-tutorial-at-edbt/

15:05:43 <christine> Paul: 2 blog posts in the last week - see links above

Paul Groth: 2 blog posts in the last week - see links above

15:06:13 <dgarijo> yes

Daniel Garijo: yes

15:06:16 <stain> yes

Stian Soiland-Reyes: yes

15:06:29 <christine> Thanks to Daniel and Stain for two additional blog posts

Thanks to Daniel and Stain for two additional blog posts

15:06:34 <dgarijo> no problem :)

Daniel Garijo: no problem :)

15:06:35 <christine> They will be posted in the next week

They will be posted in the next week

15:06:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

15:07:03 <pgroth> - Topic: PROV-SEM

Paul Groth: - Topic: PROV-SEM

15:07:05 <christine> Paul: review of outstanding items

Paul Groth: review of outstanding items

15:07:23 <SamCoppens> zakim, I am with TomDN

Sam Coppens: zakim, I am with TomDN

15:07:23 <Zakim> +SamCoppens; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SamCoppens; got it

15:07:25 <Zakim> +jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney

15:07:25 <Zakim> -jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney

15:07:26 <pgroth> james?

Paul Groth: james?

15:07:27 <christine> Paul: is PROV-SEM ready to be sent out for review?

Paul Groth: is PROV-SEM ready to be sent out for review?

15:07:35 <jcheney> just tried calling in will try again

James Cheney: just tried calling in will try again

15:07:46 <jcheney> sorry

James Cheney: sorry

15:07:47 <christine> Moving to another item

Moving to another item

15:07:50 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Overview

4. PROV-Overview

Summary: Paul is still working on it hopes to send by Monday

<pgroth> Summary: Paul is still working on it hopes to send by Monday
15:08:17 <christine> Paul: Not ready - edits not finished - more time needed - hopefully can sent out by Monday of next week

Paul Groth: Not ready - edits not finished - more time needed - hopefully can sent out by Monday of next week

15:08:22 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:08:45 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-XML

5. PROV-XML

Summary: Stephan just published a version for review. FAQ on JAXB will come later. Paul, Luc, Tom to review. James will ask Henry Thompson about possibly reviewing. Reviews are due by Thursday.

<pgroth> Summary: Stephan just published a version for review. FAQ on JAXB will come later. Paul, Luc, Tom to review. James will ask Henry Thompson about possibly reviewing. Reviews are due by Thursday.
15:08:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.aa]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.aa]

15:08:59 <jcheney> zakim, +[ipcaller.aa] is me

James Cheney: zakim, +[ipcaller.aa] is me

15:08:59 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[ipcaller.aa]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '+[ipcaller.aa]'

15:09:01 <christine> Update from Stephen

Update from Stephen

15:09:05 <jcheney> zakim, aa is me

James Cheney: zakim, aa is me

15:09:05 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa'

15:09:08 <jcheney> zakim, aa] is me

James Cheney: zakim, aa] is me

15:09:08 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named 'aa]'

15:09:13 <jcheney> zakim, [ipcaller.aa] is me

James Cheney: zakim, [ipcaller.aa] is me

15:09:13 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

15:09:24 <christine> Stephen: is ready for review but is missing the FAQ entry

Stephan Zednik: is ready for review but is missing the FAQ entry

15:09:38 <christine> but the note content is ready for review

but the note content is ready for review

15:09:48 <Luc_> s/Stephen/zednik/
15:09:51 <christine> Paul: is the schema finalised?

Paul Groth: is the schema finalised?

15:10:21 <christine> Stephen: yes but FAQ may introduce a modification to the new schema but not a change to the schema - so my intention that it is finalised

Stephen Cresswell: yes but FAQ may introduce a modification to the new schema but not a change to the schema - so my intention that it is finalised

15:10:29 <christine> Paul: review by what date?

Paul Groth: review by what date?

15:10:54 <christine> Stephen: staged last night - not sure

Stephen Cresswell: staged last night - not sure

15:11:10 <christine> Paul: original reviews by 4 and changes by 15

Paul Groth: original reviews by 4 and changes by 15

15:11:29 <christine> Paul: if reviewed by 11 can you incorporate changes by 15

Paul Groth: if reviewed by 11 can you incorporate changes by 15

15:11:52 <christine> Stephen: hope so - small changes ok - but 11th and 15th should work

Stephen Cresswell: hope so - small changes ok - but 11th and 15th should work

15:11:59 <christine> Paul: reviewer?

Paul Groth: reviewer?

15:12:03 <Luc_> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:12:16 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:12:22 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:12:45 <christine> Paul: any responses from our last publication of it?

Paul Groth: any responses from our last publication of it?

15:12:57 <christine> ? from Luc

? from Luc

15:13:18 <christine> Paul: will try to get someone from Oracle to take a look

Paul Groth: will try to get someone from Oracle to take a look

15:13:58 <christine> and would be good for Henry to review

and would be good for Henry to review

15:14:10 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:14:28 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-AQ

6. PROV-AQ

Summary: Reviews have been received from Stian and Luc. Sam's review will be received after the call. The reviews have no blocking issues but there are issues to be addressed. Graham will circulate information in the coming week.

<pgroth> Summary: Reviews have been received from Stian and Luc. Sam's review will be received after the call. The reviews have no blocking issues but there are issues to be addressed. Graham will circulate information in the coming week.
15:14:34 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute me

Sam Coppens: zakim, unmute me

15:14:34 <Zakim> sorry, SamCoppens, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SamCoppens, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:14:52 <SamCoppens> My review is following tonight

Sam Coppens: My review is following tonight

15:15:06 <christine> Graham: we have reviews in now from Stain and Luc - not one from Sam yet - had a cursory look at the review - not aware of any blocker there

Graham Klyne: we have reviews in now from Stain and Luc - not one from Sam yet - had a cursory look at the review - not aware of any blocker there

15:15:09 <SamCoppens> but no blocking issues from my side

Sam Coppens: but no blocking issues from my side

15:15:50 <christine> Graham: plan to review in detail in the coming week and finalise the document by this time next week - and then aim to hand over to Paul to finish up as will be out of circulation in 2 weeks time

Graham Klyne: plan to review in detail in the coming week and finalise the document by this time next week - and then aim to hand over to Paul to finish up as will be out of circulation in 2 weeks time

15:16:05 <christine> Paul: Stain and Luc, could we vote to be a final note?

Paul Groth: Stain and Luc, could we vote to be a final note?

15:16:08 <Luc_> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:16:45 <SamCoppens> zakim, unmute TomDN

Sam Coppens: zakim, unmute TomDN

15:16:45 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

15:16:49 <pgroth> ack Luc_

Paul Groth: ack Luc_

15:17:15 <SamCoppens> q+

Sam Coppens: q+

15:17:21 <christine> Luc: we want to publish the note - some comments are more serious than Graham said - related to ping back - would like to see some responses to my comments

Luc Moreau: we want to publish the note - some comments are more serious than Graham said - related to ping back - would like to see some responses to my comments

15:17:23 <pgroth> ack SamCoppens

Paul Groth: ack SamCoppens

15:17:40 <christine> Sam: read the document today - will send review tonight - no blocking issues

Sam Coppens: read the document today - will send review tonight - no blocking issues

15:17:48 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:17:51 <GK> I'll need to look in more detail at Luc;s comments, and the others - I'll respond when I do so.

Graham Klyne: I'll need to look in more detail at Luc;s comments, and the others - I'll respond when I do so.

15:18:10 <pgroth> ack stain

Paul Groth: ack stain

15:18:27 <christine> Stain: no blocking issues but some of my issues are more serious

Stian Soiland-Reyes: no blocking issues but some of my issues are more serious

15:18:32 <SamCoppens> zakim, mute TomDN

Sam Coppens: zakim, mute TomDN

15:18:32 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:18:44 <christine> Paul: then let's wait for next week for the vote

Paul Groth: then let's wait for next week for the vote

15:19:06 <christine> to ensure issues are addressed before vote

to ensure issues are addressed before vote

15:19:06 <jcheney> q+

James Cheney: q+

15:19:15 <pgroth> ack jcheney

Paul Groth: ack jcheney

15:19:29 <christine> jcheney: need reviewers for PROV-SEM

James Cheney: need reviewers for PROV-SEM

15:19:48 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-SEM

7. PROV-SEM

Summary: Draft is almost done. Made available for reviewers to begin to review. Simon, Tom and Satya will review. Tom has asked a colleague to have a look as well. Reviews are due by Thursday. Luc will attempt a quick review.

<pgroth> Summary: Draft is almost done. Made available for reviewers to begin to review. Simon, Tom and Satya will review. Tom has asked a colleague to have a look as well. Reviews are due by Thursday. Luc will attempt a quick review.
15:19:56 <jcheney> draft almost done: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/semantics/releases/NOTE-prov-sem-20130430/Overview.html

James Cheney: draft almost done: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/semantics/releases/NOTE-prov-sem-20130430/Overview.html

15:20:05 <GK> I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week.

Graham Klyne: I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week.

15:20:38 <christine> jcheney: vote on everything next week?

James Cheney: vote on everything next week?

15:20:45 <christine> Paul: yes (if not today)

Paul Groth: yes (if not today)

15:21:16 <christine> jcheney: better if reviewers can look now rather than waiting for it to be completely done

James Cheney: better if reviewers can look now rather than waiting for it to be completely done

15:21:22 <khalidBelhajjame> I ll review it

Khalid Belhajjame: I ll review it

15:21:23 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me

15:21:23 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

15:21:26 <TomDN> q+

Tom De Nies: q+

15:21:32 <christine> Paul: reviewers

Paul Groth: reviewers

15:21:33 <pgroth> ack TomDN

Paul Groth: ack TomDN

15:21:55 <smiles> I can review it

Simon Miles: I can review it

15:21:55 <christine> Tom: a colleague (logic/maths background) and Tom will review

Tom De Nies: a colleague (logic/maths background) and Tom will review

15:22:00 <Paolo> when is it due again?

Paolo Missier: when is it due again?

15:22:02 <GK> I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week

Graham Klyne: I'd like to review PROV-SEM, but cannot be sure I'll have time in the coming week

15:22:06 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:22:06 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:22:09 <christine> Paul: review due by next Thursday

Paul Groth: review due by next Thursday

15:22:24 <Paolo> would love to but on leave, sorry...

Paolo Missier: would love to but on leave, sorry...

15:22:48 <Luc_> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:22:48 <satya> I will try to complete

Satya Sahoo: I will try to complete

15:22:53 <christine> jcheney: goal to have something complete - anything controversial will have to be left out

James Cheney: goal to have something complete - anything controversial will have to be left out

15:23:10 <pgroth> ack Luc_

Paul Groth: ack Luc_

15:23:28 <christine> Luc: What change has been regarding this issue [?]

Luc Moreau: What change has been regarding this issue [?]

15:24:11 <christine> jcheney: to get semantics general enough to not constrain the formal constraints - less of the connection to the inituitve model but necessary

James Cheney: to get semantics general enough to not constrain the formal constraints - less of the connection to the inituitve model but necessary

15:24:27 <christine> jcheney: takes a while to figure out the right way to do that

James Cheney: takes a while to figure out the right way to do that

15:24:33 <pgroth> reviewers - Tom, Khalid, (tom's colleague), simon, satya,

Paul Groth: reviewers - Tom, Khalid, (tom's colleague), simon, satya,

15:24:41 <Luc_> +1 will attempt a quick review

Luc Moreau: +1 will attempt a quick review

15:24:53 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Primer

8. PROV-Primer

Summary: All reviews were positive with only minor changes. The group voted to release the primer as a final working group note.

<pgroth> Summary: All reviews were positive with only minor changes. The group voted to release the primer as a final working group note.
15:25:14 <christine> smiles: received some reviews - only outstanding is from Craig

Simon Miles: received some reviews - only outstanding is from Craig

15:25:34 <christine> smiles: don't see any blocking issues - will make the changes by next week - timeframe is okay

Simon Miles: don't see any blocking issues - will make the changes by next week - timeframe is okay

15:25:36 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:25:42 <khalidBelhajjame> It read well, no comment really

Khalid Belhajjame: It read well, no comment really

15:26:01 <christine> Paul: agree, only a need for some minor changes

Paul Groth: agree, only a need for some minor changes

15:26:07 <christine> Paul: vote now

Paul Groth: vote now

15:26:25 <pgroth> proposed: release prov-primer as a final note

PROPOSED: release prov-primer as a final note

15:26:28 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:26:31 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:26:32 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:26:36 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:26:37 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:26:38 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:26:39 <TomDN> +1

Tom De Nies: +1

15:26:40 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:26:41 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:26:42 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:26:55 <SamCoppens> +1

Sam Coppens: +1

15:27:01 <Paolo> +1

Paolo Missier: +1

15:27:12 <Luc_> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:27:22 <pgroth> accepted: release prov-primer as a final note

RESOLVED: release prov-primer as a final note

15:27:30 <smiles> Great, thanks :)

Simon Miles: Great, thanks :)

15:27:37 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-DC

9. PROV-DC

Summary: all reviews were received for prov-dc. Stian had one concern about the mapping of version. The group agreed to continue the discussion on this to the mailing list. Vote will be had next telcon.

<pgroth> Summary: all reviews were received for prov-dc. Stian had one concern about the mapping of version. The group agreed to continue the discussion on this to the mailing list. Vote will be had next telcon.
15:27:38 <christine> Paul: congrats Simon and Yolanda

Paul Groth: congrats Simon and Yolanda

15:28:01 <christine> - received a couple of reviews - no blocking issues

- received a couple of reviews - no blocking issues

15:28:06 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:28:09 <christine> - missing a review by Stain

- missing a review by Stain

15:28:27 <pgroth> ack stain

Paul Groth: ack stain

15:28:43 <christine> Stain: almost finished - some changes re mapping but should be able to be done in the week

Stian Soiland-Reyes: almost finished - some changes re mapping but should be able to be done in the week

15:28:53 <christine> Paul: given that, do not want to vote now

Paul Groth: given that, do not want to vote now

15:29:04 <christine> Paul: Tom's review was very long. What was the main issue?

Paul Groth: Tom's review was very long. What was the main issue?

15:29:49 <christine> - issue with how we declare the classes - specialising the ontology and also a lot of editorial issues with intro and also with naming spaces - no criticism of the mapppings - so i think no blocking issues

- issue with how we declare the classes - specialising the ontology and also a lot of editorial issues with intro and also with naming spaces - no criticism of the mapppings - so i think no blocking issues

15:29:59 <christine> Paul: Stain, which mapping to change?

Paul Groth: Stain, which mapping to change?

15:30:05 <christine> Stain: the is version

Stian Soiland-Reyes: the is version

15:31:10 <christine> - analysed defns and realised they are equivalent - version and revisions {/}

- analysed defns and realised they are equivalent - version and revisions {/}

15:31:57 <christine>  - not necessarily a directional element - don't want to go into the detail now

- not necessarily a directional element - don't want to go into the detail now

15:32:06 <christine> Paul: only one?

Paul Groth: only one?

15:32:10 <christine>  - yes

- yes

15:32:15 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:32:22 <christine> Paul: debate the issue online and delay the vote to next week

Paul Groth: debate the issue online and delay the vote to next week

15:32:31 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me

15:32:31 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted

15:32:33 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Dictionary

10. PROV-Dictionary

Summary: There were no blocking issues but quite some changes to address, thus the vote was delayed till next week.

<pgroth> Summary: There were no blocking issues but quite some changes to address, thus the vote was delayed till next week.
15:33:08 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:33:08 <Luc_> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:33:17 <christine> TomDN: review from Luc and Simon, thanks, no blocking issues, have enough time, give an update next week, do not forsee problems

Tom De Nies: review from Luc and Simon, thanks, no blocking issues, have enough time, give an update next week, do not forsee problems

15:33:18 <Luc_> +q

Luc Moreau: +q

15:33:20 <TomDN> q+

Tom De Nies: q+

15:33:27 <pgroth> ack Luc_

Paul Groth: ack Luc_

15:34:07 <christine> Luc: in my review, indicated I have implemented PROV-Dictionary, but it turns out it was not working - it took a while to find problem - extensibility production and the new productions conflict

Luc Moreau: in my review, indicated I have implemented PROV-Dictionary, but it turns out it was not working - it took a while to find problem - extensibility production and the new productions conflict

15:34:37 <christine> Luc: problem will also occur in PROV-LINKS

Luc Moreau: problem will also occur in PROV-LINKS

15:34:47 <Luc_> q-

Luc Moreau: q-

15:35:07 <christine> Luc: fix in both

Luc Moreau: fix in both

15:35:11 <Luc_> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:35:17 <pgroth> ack TomDN

Paul Groth: ack TomDN

15:35:21 <pgroth> ack Luc_

Paul Groth: ack Luc_

15:35:24 <christine> Craig: suggest holding off on voting until the document is in a more final state

Craig Trim: suggest holding off on voting until the document is in a more final state

15:35:38 <christine> Craig = Tom

TomDN = Tom

15:35:38 <pgroth> s/Craig/TomDN
15:35:47 <pgroth> s/TomDN/Craig
15:35:54 <christine> Luc: agree useful to have time to discuss issues further

Luc Moreau: agree useful to have time to discuss issues further

15:36:03 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:36:16 <pgroth> Topic: PROV-Links

Summary: 4 reviews were received, Luc will read and respond in detail later.

<pgroth> Summary: 4 reviews were received, Luc will read and respond in detail later.
15:36:19 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

15:36:19 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

15:36:44 <zednik> I have to leave now

Stephan Zednik: I have to leave now

15:36:56 <christine> Luc: 4 reviews received - thank you - have not had time to read them in detail - but you seem to be happy with the document - some small changes

Luc Moreau: 4 reviews received - thank you - have not had time to read them in detail - but you seem to be happy with the document - some small changes

15:37:00 <smiles> No blocking issues from me

Simon Miles: No blocking issues from me

15:37:04 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller.a]

15:37:06 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:37:06 <TomDN> none from me either

Tom De Nies: none from me either

15:37:08 <GK> No blockers that I recall

Graham Klyne: No blockers that I recall

15:37:12 <khalidBelhajjame> No bloking issues from me either

Khalid Belhajjame: No bloking issues from me either

15:37:21 <pgroth> Topic: PROV Implementations

12. PROV Implementations

Summary: No change to implementations except for the need to rerun scripts to update the tables. The group agreed that there was no need for a re-review.

<pgroth> Summary: No change to implementations except for the need to rerun scripts to update the tables. The group agreed that there was no need for a re-review.
15:38:20 <christine> Paul: held it open a little longer - nothing to change in the text - just to rerun scripts to update the tables (essentially) - no need to review

Paul Groth: held it open a little longer - nothing to change in the text - just to rerun scripts to update the tables (essentially) - no need to review

15:38:22 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

15:38:28 <Luc_> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:38:45 <christine> Paul: one or two people who said they want to register another implementation

Paul Groth: one or two people who said they want to register another implementation

15:38:59 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:38:59 <christine> Paul: there is still time

Paul Groth: there is still time

15:39:28 <pgroth> Topic: Provenance of Docs

13. Provenance of Docs

Summary: Luc created a full provenance trace for all the documents. We discussed the issue of identifying authors. There was some consensus to use the working group wiki page's to identify people. Editors can either use this provenance trace or create their own.

<pgroth> Summary: Luc created a full provenance trace for all the documents. We discussed the issue of identifying authors. There was some consensus to use the working group wiki page's to identify people. Editors can either use this provenance trace or create their own.
15:39:35 <Luc_> +q

Luc Moreau: +q

15:39:36 <christine> Paul: status?

Paul Groth: status?

15:39:48 <Luc_> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.svg

Luc Moreau: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.svg

15:39:57 <Luc_> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.ttl

Luc Moreau: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.ttl

15:40:01 <Luc_> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.provn

Luc Moreau: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/e1fa26593295/provenance/test/prov-family.provn

15:40:26 <christine> Luc: tried to recreate the history of all our documents assuming the specs were out

Luc Moreau: tried to recreate the history of all our documents assuming the specs were out

15:40:43 <ivan> wow

Ivan Herman: wow

15:40:57 <GK> Third link returns "error: provenance/test/prov-family.provn@e1fa26593295: not found in manifest" for me

Graham Klyne: Third link returns "error: provenance/test/prov-family.provn@e1fa26593295: not found in manifest" for me

15:41:25 <christine> Luc: covering all versions of the reports we publish - will ask all editors to check when finalised - also should add authorship - do we have URIs for everybody?

Luc Moreau: covering all versions of the reports we publish - will ask all editors to check when finalised - also should add authorship - do we have URIs for everybody?

15:41:56 <christine> Paul: Ivan, can we use URLs for the name in the tracker to represent people?

Paul Groth: Ivan, can we use URLs for the name in the tracker to represent people?

15:42:11 <Paolo> @Luc: provn version, I get: error: provenance/test/prov-family.provn@e1fa26593295: not found in manifest

Paolo Missier: @Luc: provn version, I get: error: provenance/test/prov-family.provn@e1fa26593295: not found in manifest

15:42:26 <GK> How many of us have ORCID IDs?

Graham Klyne: How many of us have ORCID IDs?

15:42:31 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/

15:42:34 <christine> Ivan: hmm, it can be used ... but ... often people put a page about themselves on the wiki ... can you give me an example URL to look at in tracker?

Ivan Herman: hmm, it can be used ... but ... often people put a page about themselves on the wiki ... can you give me an example URL to look at in tracker?

15:42:54 <christine> Ivan: not ideal

Ivan Herman: not ideal

15:43:08 <TallTed> WebID!  :-)

Ted Thibodeau: WebID! :-)

15:43:09 <stain> you would have hoped for W3C to provide an ontology or dataset of every member!

Stian Soiland-Reyes: you would have hoped for W3C to provide an ontology or dataset of every member!

15:43:13 <christine> Paul: wiki user pages?

Paul Groth: wiki user pages?

15:43:19 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Ctrim

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Ctrim

15:43:19 <Luc_> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmoreau

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmoreau

15:43:20 <christine> Ivan: not sure those are public

Ivan Herman: not sure those are public

15:43:38 <christine> Ivan: what I was suggesting - if they are all complete that is fine

Ivan Herman: what I was suggesting - if they are all complete that is fine

15:43:48 <christine> Ivan: they will be frozen

Ivan Herman: they will be frozen

15:43:53 <stain> in foaf they might or might not be seen to represent accounts rather than people..

Stian Soiland-Reyes: in foaf they might or might not be seen to represent accounts rather than people..

15:44:09 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:44:14 <pgroth> ack Luc_

Paul Groth: ack Luc_

15:44:14 <christine> Paul: use wiki ones - so if you want your proper info recorded update your wiki page

Paul Groth: use wiki ones - so if you want your proper info recorded update your wiki page

15:44:19 <christine> Luc: fine with that

Luc Moreau: fine with that

15:44:44 <stain> it might be easiest to identify people like [ a prov:Person, foaf:homepage <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmorea> ]

Stian Soiland-Reyes: it might be easiest to identify people like [ a prov:Person, foaf:homepage <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/User:Lmorea> ]

15:45:09 <stain> - foaf:homepage is inverse functional, thus identifying (but not being) the person

Stian Soiland-Reyes: - foaf:homepage is inverse functional, thus identifying (but not being) the person

15:45:19 <christine> [?] useful to add the link from the RDF files ...

[?] useful to add the link from the RDF files ...

15:45:20 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:45:31 <pgroth> s/SVG/RDF

Paul Groth: s/SVG/RDF (warning: replacement failed)

15:45:42 <pgroth> s/SVG/RDF/

Paul Groth: s/SVG/RDF/ (warning: replacement failed)

15:45:44 <christine> Paul: can we do content negotation on SVG?

Paul Groth: can we do content negotation on SVG?

15:46:02 <christine> Ivan: not exactly - not a serialisation

Ivan Herman: not exactly - not a serialisation

15:46:06 <Luc_> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:46:12 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:46:17 <pgroth> ack Luc_

Paul Groth: ack Luc_

15:46:44 <christine> Luc: when the file is more or less finalised - post a blog explaining provenance - could put the SVG file there

Luc Moreau: when the file is more or less finalised - post a blog explaining provenance - could put the SVG file there

15:47:02 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:47:04 <stain> you COULD define a prov-diagram that is a formal language that says how to describe prov-dm as a diagram - and then the SVG could still be a representation of the provenance

Stian Soiland-Reyes: you COULD define a prov-diagram that is a formal language that says how to describe prov-dm as a diagram - and then the SVG could still be a representation of the provenance

15:47:09 <TallTed> possibly better pages than wiki -- e.g., https://www.w3.org/users/42501

Ted Thibodeau: possibly better pages than wiki -- e.g., https://www.w3.org/users/42501

15:47:11 <christine> Ivan: could point to as wekk

Ivan Herman: could point to as wekk

15:47:24 <pgroth> q?

Paul Groth: q?

15:47:30 <stain> TallTed: except they are seeecret :(

Ted Thibodeau: except they are seeecret :( [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:47:37 <pgroth> secret

Paul Groth: secret

15:47:39 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:47:39 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:47:53 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:47:56 <TomDN> I get Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges

Tom De Nies: I get Sorry, Insufficient Access Privileges

15:47:59 <GK> No, browser is asking for login

Graham Klyne: No, browser is asking for login

15:48:08 <pgroth> ack smiles

Paul Groth: ack smiles

15:48:24 <Luc_> up to editors

Luc Moreau: up to editors

15:48:29 <christine> smiles: re provenance for primer - what is the preference?

Simon Miles: re provenance for primer - what is the preference?

15:48:40 <christine> Luc: editors can decide to use the same provenance, don't have to

Luc Moreau: editors can decide to use the same provenance, don't have to

15:49:06 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

15:49:12 <pgroth> ack ivan

Paul Groth: ack ivan

15:49:16 <christine> Paul: thanks everyone, good work, keep it up

Paul Groth: thanks everyone, good work, keep it up

15:49:18 <dgarijo> @smiles: we did already a file for prov-o. You can base yours in that one, if you want

Daniel Garijo: @smiles: we did already a file for prov-o. You can base yours in that one, if you want

15:49:55 <christine> Ivan: votes ends on Tuesday - well send an official transition request to publish - expect to get green light by email - try to take care of this next week

Ivan Herman: votes ends on Tuesday - well send an official transition request to publish - expect to get green light by email - try to take care of this next week

15:50:14 <dgarijo> bbye

Daniel Garijo: bbye

15:50:17 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: -Satya_Sahoo

15:50:18 <Luc_> bye

Luc Moreau: bye

15:50:18 <Zakim> -christine

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15:50:19 <Zakim> -pgroth

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15:50:19 <GK> Bye

Graham Klyne: Bye

15:50:20 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb

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15:50:21 <Zakim> -ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan

15:50:21 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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15:50:23 <Zakim> -Luc_

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc_

15:50:24 <stain> bye

Stian Soiland-Reyes: bye

15:50:24 <Zakim> -dgarijo

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15:50:26 <Zakim> -smiles

Zakim IRC Bot: -smiles

15:50:27 <SamCoppens> Bye!

Sam Coppens: Bye!

15:50:28 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

15:50:29 <Zakim> -TomDN

Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN

15:50:29 <Zakim> -stain

Zakim IRC Bot: -stain

15:50:33 <pgroth> rrsagent, set log public

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15:50:34 <Zakim> -jcheney

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15:50:36 <Zakim> -khalidBelhajjame

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15:50:36 <pgroth> rrsagent, draft minutes

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15:50:39 <Zakim> -GK

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15:50:39 <pgroth> rackbot, end telcon

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15:50:40 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

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15:50:43 <pgroth> trackbot, end telcon

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15:50:43 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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15:50:43 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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15:50:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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