Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 14 June 2012

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Craig Trim, Curt Tilmes, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Paul Groth, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephen Cresswell, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Tom De Nies
Regrets
Sandro Hawke, Graham Klyne, James Cheney
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Paolo Missier
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  1. Minutes of the June 7, 2012 Telecon link
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  1. admin

    Next week teleconference is cancelled since the face to face meeting will be on Friday and Saturday. Minutes of last week's teleconference were approved.

  2. F2F3

    Topics for discussion at the face to face meeting have been put up on wiki. Timetable will be finalized early next week. Aims are 1) to make progress towards last call, 2) decide on and schedule work on other documents (notes and outreach), and 3) prepare call for implementation

  3. Updates

    Progress on the various documents was discussed. Action-92 is set on Graham to provide an example of contextualization which may break rdf semantics.

  4. Schedule for internal release and review

    Prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-primer are now released for internal review. Reviewers were assigned to each document, and deadline set to next week, before F2F3. It is anticipated that Prov-o technical aspects will be addressed shortly, and a document ready for review by June 21. PROV-constraints editors will meet next week, and propose a schedule for release. The Working Group is reminded how important this review is, since the WG has to decide whether these documents will be last call working drafts. Any review, even partial, is welcome. See agenda for details of documents and questions to address.

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14:48:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:48:11 <trackbot> Date: 14 June 2012
14:48:24 <pgroth> rrsagent, make logs public

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14:48:38 <pgroth> Zakim, this will be PROV

Paul Groth: Zakim, this will be PROV

<luc>Regrets: Sandro, Graham, James Cheney
14:48:38 <Zakim> ok, pgroth; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

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14:48:51 <pgroth> @Luc that should do it

Paul Groth: @Luc that should do it

14:50:37 <Luc> thanks

Luc Moreau: thanks

14:50:46 <Luc> did you receive my email to the mailing list, with copy of agenda

Luc Moreau: did you receive my email to the mailing list, with copy of agenda

14:51:29 <pgroth> yes just got it

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14:51:44 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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14:54:08 <Luc> chair: luc moreau
14:54:13 <Luc> scribe: paolo missier

(Scribe set to Paolo Missier)

14:54:18 <Luc> topic: admin

1. admin

Summary: Next week teleconference is cancelled since the face to face meeting will be on Friday and Saturday. Minutes of last week's teleconference were approved.

<Luc>Summary: Next week teleconference is cancelled since the face to face meeting will be on Friday and Saturday. Minutes of last week's teleconference were approved.
14:55:15 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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14:55:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-prov-minutes.html MacTed

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14:55:18 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:55:38 <MacTed> (nothing's made public, if the draft isn't produced first)

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14:59:33 <Luc> @craigTrim, do you want to introduce yourselve at the end of the admin topic?

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15:01:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see pgroth, Jun, Curt, smiles, satya, CraigTrim, tlebo, Paolo, khalidbelhajjame, TomDN, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, sandro, trackbot, stain

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15:01:41 <Luc> proposed: to accept Minutes of the June 7, 2012 Telecon

PROPOSED: to accept Minutes of the June 7, 2012 Telecon

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15:01:51 <Curt> +1

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15:01:56 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P18 is me

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15:01:58 <tlebo> +1

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15:02:01 <CraigTrim> +1

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15:02:10 <dgarijo> +0 (I attended partially)

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15:02:25 <Paolo> +1 but not sure I have seen the minutes

+1 but not sure I have seen the minutes

15:02:34 <Luc> resolved: Minutes of the June 7, 2012 Telecon

RESOLVED: Minutes of the June 7, 2012 Telecon

15:03:06 <Paolo> action on Luc: issue of collection membership completeness

action on Luc: issue of collection membership completeness

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15:03:21 <Paolo> Paolo and Luc consider this action complete

Paolo and Luc consider this action complete

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15:03:41 <Paolo> new member CraigTrim

new member CraigTrim

15:04:08 <Paolo> Craig  IBM very interested in provenance -- have been disseminating current results on WG within IBM

Craig IBM very interested in provenance -- have been disseminating current results on WG within IBM

15:04:27 <Paolo> Craig still catching up, main role is to disseminate results within IBM

Craig still catching up, main role is to disseminate results within IBM

15:04:37 <Paolo> CRaig will be at the F2F

CRaig will be at the F2F

15:04:39 <Luc> topic: F2F3

2. F2F3

Summary: Topics for discussion at the face to face meeting have been put up on wiki. Timetable will be finalized early next week. Aims are 1) to make progress towards last call, 2) decide on and schedule work on other documents (notes and outreach), and 3) prepare call for implementation

<Luc>Summary: Topics for discussion at the face to face meeting have been put up on wiki. Timetable will be finalized early next week. Aims are 1) to make progress towards last call,  2) decide on and schedule  work on other documents (notes and outreach), and 3) prepare call for implementation
15:04:51 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F3Schedule

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/F2F3Schedule

15:05:33 <Paolo> pgroth F2F will include an update on status -- then focus on last call

pgroth F2F will include an update on status -- then focus on last call

15:06:03 <Paolo> pgroth what remains to be done going into last call, what is the outreach strategy

pgroth what remains to be done going into last call, what is the outreach strategy

15:06:42 <Paolo> pgroth discussion on notes as well as additional "outreach" notes (work with schema.org for example)

pgroth discussion on notes as well as additional "outreach" notes (work with schema.org for example)

15:06:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:06:57 <Paolo> pgroth also discussion on implementations

pgroth also discussion on implementations

15:07:14 <Paolo> (can't open the program page at w3c...0

(can't open the program page at w3c...0

15:07:36 <pgroth> if you have other topics please let us know

Paul Groth: if you have other topics please let us know

15:07:37 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:07:40 <dgarijo> @Paolo: I think the whole wiki is down

Daniel Garijo: @Paolo: I think the whole wiki is down

15:07:52 <pgroth> wiki is very shaky

Paul Groth: wiki is very shaky

15:07:53 <Luc> topic: Updates

3. Updates

Summary: Progress on the various documents was discussed. Action-92 is set on Graham to provide an example of contextualization which may break rdf semantics.

<luc>Summary: Progress on the various documents was discussed. Action-92 is set on Graham to provide an example of contextualization which may break rdf semantics.
15:08:02 <Paolo> @daniel back on now

@daniel back on now

15:08:20 <dgarijo> I can scribe

Daniel Garijo: I can scribe

15:08:21 <tlebo> I'll scribe

Timothy Lebo: I'll scribe

15:08:26 <tlebo> go ahead, Dani

Timothy Lebo: go ahead, Dani

15:08:28 <dgarijo> ok

Daniel Garijo: ok

15:08:40 <dgarijo> Paolo: One action on Luc about completeness (done)

Paolo Missier: One action on Luc about completeness (done) [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Garijo ]

15:08:51 <dgarijo> ... discussion in the list, Paolo made edits in DM

Daniel Garijo: ... discussion in the list, Paolo made edits in DM

15:09:19 <dgarijo> ... there can be some inconsistencies sometimes

Daniel Garijo: ... there can be some inconsistencies sometimes

15:09:47 <dgarijo> ... another issue, about membership, has already been addressed

Daniel Garijo: ... another issue, about membership, has already been addressed

15:09:55 <dgarijo> ... I joined prov-o call on monday

Daniel Garijo: ... I joined prov-o call on monday

15:10:07 <dgarijo> ... and the changes were well received

Daniel Garijo: ... and the changes were well received

15:10:17 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:10:22 <dgarijo> Luc: any questions?

Luc Moreau: any questions? [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Garijo ]

15:10:47 <Paolo> Luc contextualization still an issue: Tim?

Luc contextualization still an issue: Tim?

15:11:21 <Paolo> tlebo converged on contextualization being a case of specialization

tlebo converged on contextualization being a case of specialization

15:11:33 <Paolo> tlebo DM has converged to that def

tlebo DM has converged to that def

15:11:47 <Paolo> tlebo next step prov-o will capture that in the ontology

tlebo next step prov-o will capture that in the ontology

15:12:17 <Paolo> tlebo GK still has concerns about violating /breaking RDF semantics -- GK invited to discuss

tlebo GK still has concerns about violating /breaking RDF semantics -- GK invited to discuss

15:12:52 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:13:01 <Paolo> tlebo  is contextualization at risk? concerns that it's going too far, its capabilities don't warrant the extra level of explanation for that construct

tlebo is contextualization at risk? concerns that it's going too far, its capabilities don't warrant the extra level of explanation for that construct

15:13:53 <Paolo> Luc: setting an action on Graham to elaborate on his concern and provide an example

Luc Moreau: setting an action on Graham to elaborate on his concern and provide an example

15:14:31 <Paolo> Luc: useful to see how the construct is expressed in RDF. when is this happening?

Luc Moreau: useful to see how the construct is expressed in RDF. when is this happening?

15:14:37 <pgroth> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Bundle_contextualization

Paul Groth: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Bundle_contextualization

15:14:37 <Paolo> tlebo: early next week

Timothy Lebo: early next week

15:15:33 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:15:35 <Paolo> Luc: should contextualization be in the doc, or marked as "at risk"? propose to address this after the review, and make this a question to reviewers

Luc Moreau: should contextualization be in the doc, or marked as "at risk"? propose to address this after the review, and make this a question to reviewers

15:15:39 <dgarijo> yes, I think it is reasonable

Daniel Garijo: yes, I think it is reasonable

15:15:43 <Paolo> tlebo: agree

Timothy Lebo: agree

15:15:58 <khalidbelhajjame> I agree

Khalid Belhajjame: I agree

15:16:18 <Paolo> pgroth: need not be a question to reviewers -- it will be addressed if it does come up during review

Paul Groth: need not be a question to reviewers -- it will be addressed if it does come up during review

15:16:37 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:17:02 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:17:26 <Paolo> Luc: Graham has raised an issue on contextualization so he will have an opportunity to respond to that

Luc Moreau: Graham has raised an issue on contextualization so he will have an opportunity to respond to that

15:17:30 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:17:31 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:17:32 <khalidbelhajjame> I guess here we are talking about internal reviewing. A more important opinion w.r.t. contextualization is that of external reviewers

Khalid Belhajjame: I guess here we are talking about internal reviewing. A more important opinion w.r.t. contextualization is that of external reviewers

15:17:52 <Paolo> tlebo: state of prov-o

Timothy Lebo: state of prov-o

15:18:00 <pgroth> @khalidbelhajjame it's important that the group is good with it

Paul Groth: @khalidbelhajjame it's important that the group is good with it

15:18:21 <Paolo> tlebo: focus on resolving dependencies on DM

Timothy Lebo: focus on resolving dependencies on DM

15:19:03 <Paolo> tlebo: ... on getting DM settled. DM is becoming the blocker on prov-o. once dm is through, it will be easier to release prov-o

Timothy Lebo: ... on getting DM settled. DM is becoming the blocker on prov-o. once dm is through, it will be easier to release prov-o

15:19:14 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:19:31 <Paolo> smiles: primer is ready to review

Simon Miles: primer is ready to review

15:19:42 <dgarijo> @Tim: Thanks for putting all toghether in the doc, Tim.

Daniel Garijo: @Tim: Thanks for putting all toghether in the doc, Tim.

15:20:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:20:19 <Paolo> Luc: no progress on Constraints, will meet at IPAW to agree on how to proceed (Luc, James, Paolo)

Luc Moreau: no progress on Constraints, will meet at IPAW to agree on how to proceed (Luc, James, Paolo)

15:20:23 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:20:37 <Luc> topic: Schedule for internal release and review

4. Schedule for internal release and review

Summary: Prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-primer are now released for internal review. Reviewers were assigned to each document, and deadline set to next week, before F2F3. It is anticipated that Prov-o technical aspects will be addressed shortly, and a document ready for review by June 21. PROV-constraints editors will meet next week, and propose a schedule for release. The Working Group is reminded how important this review is, since the WG has to decide whether these documents will be last call working drafts. Any review, even partial, is welcome. See agenda for details of documents and questions to address.

<Luc>Summary: Prov-dm, prov-n, and prov-primer are now released for internal review. Reviewers were assigned to each document, and deadline set to next week, before F2F3. It is anticipated that Prov-o technical aspects will be addressed shortly, and a document ready for review by June 21.  PROV-constraints editors will meet next week, and propose a schedule for release.  The Working Group is reminded how important this review is, since the WG has to decide whether these documents will be last call working drafts.  Any review, even partial, is welcome. See agenda for details of documents and questions to address.
15:20:38 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:21:56 <dgarijo> yes

Daniel Garijo: yes

15:21:58 <Paolo> Luc: DM; released today, all outstanding issues addressed AFA editors are concerned

Luc Moreau: DM; released today, all outstanding issues addressed AFA editors are concerned

15:22:00 <TomDN> yes :)

Tom De Nies: yes :)

15:22:04 <dgarijo> I'll review it for next week.

Daniel Garijo: I'll review it for next week.

15:22:10 <khalidbelhajjame> yes, I will review it

Khalid Belhajjame: yes, I will review it

15:22:11 <Paolo> Luc: can reviewers confirm availability

Luc Moreau: can reviewers confirm availability

15:22:36 <khalidbelhajjame> I will review the dm in the weekend

Khalid Belhajjame: I will review the dm in the weekend

15:22:42 <dgarijo> next wednesday?

Daniel Garijo: next wednesday?

15:22:46 <TomDN> I'm planning to review it this weekend

Tom De Nies: I'm planning to review it this weekend

15:22:51 <TomDN> (in the air)

Tom De Nies: (in the air)

15:23:24 <Paolo> Luc: propose DM review deadline by Wed June 20th

Luc Moreau: propose DM review deadline by Wed June 20th

15:23:24 <TomDN> sounds good to me

Tom De Nies: sounds good to me

15:23:25 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:23:55 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:24:19 <Paolo> pgroth: additional informal reviews welcome by F2F or sooner

Paul Groth: additional informal reviews welcome by F2F or sooner

15:24:56 <Paolo> Luc: prov-n also released today. reviewers please confirm?

Luc Moreau: prov-n also released today. reviewers please confirm?

15:24:56 <TomDN> +q

Tom De Nies: +q

15:25:03 <TomDN> zakim, unmute me

Tom De Nies: zakim, unmute me

15:25:03 <Zakim> TomDN was not muted, TomDN

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15:25:42 <Paolo> TomDN: stephen on hols but still planning to do the review

Tom De Nies: Sam on hols but still planning to do the review

15:25:44 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:25:47 <Luc> ack tom

Luc Moreau: ack tom

15:25:55 <TomDN> s/stephen/Sam
15:26:25 <Paolo> Luc: propose PROV-N review deadline by Thu June 21st

Luc Moreau: propose PROV-N review deadline by Thu June 21st

15:26:55 <Paolo> Luc: PROV-O?

Luc Moreau: PROV-O?

15:27:01 <dgarijo> @Luc: Khalid is not on the phone. He has told me to say that he will possibly review PROV-N as well

Daniel Garijo: @Luc: Khalid is not on the phone. He has told me to say that he will possibly review PROV-N as well

15:27:16 <TomDN> same here for Sam. (not available right now, but will still review the document, probable after f2f3)

Tom De Nies: same here for Sam. (not available right now, but will still review the document, probable after f2f3)

15:27:37 <Paolo> tlebo: propose PROV-O ready for review July 13th

Timothy Lebo: propose PROV-O ready for review July 13th

15:28:16 <Paolo> Luc: what are the outstanding issues?

Luc Moreau: what are the outstanding issues?

15:28:57 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:29:01 <Paolo> tlebo:  contextualization, collections, working through examples, additional narrative for a variety of terms, existing narrative needs editing, harmonizing

Timothy Lebo: contextualization, collections, working through examples, additional narrative for a variety of terms, existing narrative needs editing, harmonizing

15:29:13 <Luc> ack pgro

Luc Moreau: ack pgro

15:30:00 <Paolo> pgroth: key issue for last call is tech features are frozen. List of issues here are only contextualization and collections. the latter have not changed very much

Paul Groth: key issue for last call is tech features are frozen. List of issues here are only contextualization and collections. the latter have not changed very much

15:30:16 <Paolo> pgroth: so what are the remaining /tech/ issues?

Paul Groth: so what are the remaining /tech/ issues?

15:30:23 <Paolo> tlebo: contextualization and final review of collections

Timothy Lebo: contextualization and final review of collections

15:30:37 <Paolo> q+

q+

15:30:50 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:31:00 <pgroth> he's on vacation

Paul Groth: he's on vacation

15:31:59 <Luc> ack paolo

Luc Moreau: ack paolo

15:32:51 <Paolo> pgroth: main issue with Last Call is tech issues, editing can happen afterwards

Paul Groth: main issue with Last Call is tech issues, editing can happen afterwards

15:32:55 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:33:01 <Luc> ack pgr

Luc Moreau: ack pgr

15:33:14 <Paolo> pgroth: can review ontology to help separate out tech vs editorial

Paul Groth: can review ontology to help separate out tech vs editorial

15:34:24 <Paolo> tlebo: technically, close to being done -- provo html needs more work. so if all that matters is technical completeness, it can be done faster

Timothy Lebo: technically, close to being done -- provo html needs more work. so if all that matters is technical completeness, it can be done faster

15:35:10 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:35:21 <Paolo> Luc: sandro and Ivan confirm that it is about technical content, i.e. frozen ontology is enough. then we get a chance to clarify and explain things better

Luc Moreau: sandro and Ivan confirm that it is about technical content, i.e. frozen ontology is enough. then we get a chance to clarify and explain things better

15:36:08 <Paolo> tlebo: ontology can be finalized by mid next week, and whatever falls out of it into html (examples of terms etc.)

Timothy Lebo: ontology can be finalized by mid next week, and whatever falls out of it into html (examples of terms etc.)

15:36:34 <Paolo> tlebo: to be released on June 14th

Timothy Lebo: to be released on June 14th

15:36:43 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:37:16 <Paolo> pgroth: process calls for >= 3 wks of last call feedback.

Paul Groth: process calls for >= 3 wks of last call feedback.

15:38:02 <Paolo> Luc: Sam, pgroth, Luc to review prov-o

Luc Moreau: Sam, pgroth, Luc to review prov-o

15:38:17 <Paolo> pgroth: confirms

Paul Groth: confirms

15:38:30 <CraigTrim> sure

Craig Trim: sure

15:38:54 <Paolo> Craig  added to list of reviewers

Craig added to list of reviewers

15:39:21 <Paolo> Luc: constraints doc: not sure when it will be ready. Will report back to group at F2F with an estimate

Luc Moreau: constraints doc: not sure when it will be ready. Will report back to group at F2F with an estimate

15:39:22 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:24 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:40:08 <Paolo> pgroth: the constraints doc "falls out" of the DM -- is it on rec track?

Paul Groth: the constraints doc "falls out" of the DM -- is it on rec track?

15:40:16 <Paolo> Luc: it is on Rec track

Luc Moreau: it is on Rec track

15:40:43 <Paolo> Luc: we can pull it out and possibly make it a note

Luc Moreau: we can pull it out and possibly make it a note

15:41:12 <Paolo> pgroth: concerned about timing -- lagging considerably behind and it's a complicated doc

Paul Groth: concerned about timing -- lagging considerably behind and it's a complicated doc

15:41:50 <Paolo> Luc: yes, but it has been simplified. Also, no need to release all docs at the same time

Luc Moreau: yes, but it has been simplified. Also, no need to release all docs at the same time

15:42:04 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:06 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:42:29 <Paolo> Luc: primer doc

Luc Moreau: primer doc

15:42:45 <Paolo> smiles: ready for review

Simon Miles: ready for review

15:42:53 <Paolo> Luc: reviewers?

Luc Moreau: reviewers?

15:43:06 <TomDN> I'll review it

Tom De Nies: I'll review it

15:43:07 <pgroth> volunteer

Paul Groth: volunteer

15:43:22 <pgroth> +q to ask craig

Paul Groth: +q to ask craig

15:43:32 <stephenc> OK, I volunteer

Stephen Cresswell: OK, I volunteer

15:43:39 <CraigTrim> I've already been reviewing it, so go ahead and me in too

Craig Trim: I've already been reviewing it, so go ahead and me in too

15:43:57 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:43:57 <Zakim> pgroth, you wanted to ask craig

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, you wanted to ask craig

15:44:16 <Paolo> smiles: familiarity with prov-n desirable... (Paolo)

Simon Miles: familiarity with prov-n desirable... (Paolo)

15:44:16 <CraigTrim> agreed - it's been a good doc so far back to IBM

Craig Trim: agreed - it's been a good doc so far back to IBM

15:44:33 <Luc> prov-primer reviewers: paolo, paul, stephenc, craig, luc

Luc Moreau: prov-primer reviewers: paolo, paul, stephenc, craig, luc

15:45:00 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:45:22 <Paolo> Luc: update to prov-aq to be addressed later

Luc Moreau: update to prov-aq to be addressed later

15:45:51 <Paolo> Luc: questions for reviewers:  can the doc be released as a /regular/ WD? if not, what are the blocking issues

Luc Moreau: questions for reviewers: can the doc be released as a /regular/ WD? if not, what are the blocking issues

15:46:21 <Paolo> Luc: can the doc be pub as last call WD? see link to LC def by W3C

Luc Moreau: can the doc be pub as last call WD? see link to LC def by W3C

15:47:01 <Paolo> Luc: in particular, reviewers who have raised issues, can they be closed?

Luc Moreau: in particular, reviewers who have raised issues, can they be closed?

15:47:48 <Paolo> Luc: proposal wasREvisionOf -> wasRevisedFrom:  no consensus, so can reviewers look at that

Luc Moreau: proposal wasREvisionOf -> wasRevisedFrom: no consensus, so can reviewers look at that

15:48:37 <Paolo> Luc: also in DM: "primitive data types" that are in RDF. However RDF is changing, so which version are we referring to? RDF 1.1 WD data types are different

Luc Moreau: also in DM: "primitive data types" that are in RDF. However RDF is changing, so which version are we referring to? RDF 1.1 WD data types are different

15:49:15 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:49:18 <Paolo> Luc: worked with Ivan to make us robust wrt changes in RDF 1.1 -- should we list all data types as 1.1? reviewers should look into this

Luc Moreau: worked with Ivan to make us robust wrt changes in RDF 1.1 -- should we list all data types as 1.1? reviewers should look into this

15:49:35 <Paolo> q+

q+

15:49:58 <tlebo> paolo: what if someone says "no"?

Paolo Missier: what if someone says "no"? [ Scribe Assist by Timothy Lebo ]

15:50:10 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:50:28 <Luc> ack paol

Luc Moreau: ack paol

15:50:48 <tlebo> pgroth: we look at the issues and get to a resolution.

Paul Groth: we look at the issues and get to a resolution. [ Scribe Assist by Timothy Lebo ]

15:51:08 <tlebo> ... if no resolution, then we can vote.

Timothy Lebo: ... if no resolution, then we can vote.

15:51:12 <Paolo> pgroth: many options available -- if it is clear there is no resolution, we can vote.

Paul Groth: many options available -- if it is clear there is no resolution, we can vote.

15:51:44 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:51:47 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:52:12 <pgroth> +q

Paul Groth: +q

15:52:37 <Paolo> pgroth: is there a LC for notes (primer)?

Paul Groth: is there a LC for notes (primer)?

15:52:52 <Paolo> Luc: LC question does not apply to primer

Luc Moreau: LC question does not apply to primer

15:53:43 <Paolo> Luc: decision can be deferred, to allow for further changes to the primer

Luc Moreau: decision can be deferred, to allow for further changes to the primer

15:53:44 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:53:51 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:54:10 <Paolo> pgroth: state of PAQ: next WD ready by next Tue

Paul Groth: state of PAQ: next WD ready by next Tue

15:54:55 <Paolo> pgroth: after F2F we'll look at PAQ in detail again

Paul Groth: after F2F we'll look at PAQ in detail again

15:55:13 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:55:14 <TomDN> +q

Tom De Nies: +q

15:56:00 <TomDN> ack tomdn

Tom De Nies: ack tomdn

15:56:11 <Paolo> Luc:  call arrangements for next week?

Luc Moreau: call arrangements for next week?

15:56:15 <Zakim> -??P1

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P1

15:56:23 <Paolo> pgroth: call should be cancelled next week

Paul Groth: call should be cancelled next week

15:56:51 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:56:55 <Paolo> Luc: call cancelled

Luc Moreau: call cancelled

15:57:07 <Zakim> -??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2

15:57:09 <Zakim> - +1.661.382.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.661.382.aabb

15:57:10 <Zakim> -tlebo

Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo

15:57:10 <Zakim> -??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P9

15:57:10 <dgarijo> byee

Daniel Garijo: byee

15:57:16 <Zakim> -pgroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -pgroth

15:57:18 <TomDN> (I'll also be driving from San Francisco to SB on monday, by the way)

Tom De Nies: (I'll also be driving from San Francisco to SB on monday, by the way)

15:57:20 <Zakim> -Curt_Tilmes

Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt_Tilmes

15:57:23 <Zakim> -Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc

15:57:24 <Zakim> -dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: -dgarijo

15:57:26 <pgroth> trackbot, end telecon

Paul Groth: trackbot, end telecon

15:57:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:57:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:57:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-prov-minutes.html trackbot

15:57:34 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

15:57:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

15:57:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items

15:57:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, TomDN, pgroth, +1.661.382.aabb, +1.518.276.aacc, tlebo, +44.238.059.aadd, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed, satya, dgarijo

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, TomDN, pgroth, +1.661.382.aabb, +1.518.276.aacc, tlebo, +44.238.059.aadd, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, MacTed, satya, dgarijo



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