Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 September 2011

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08
Seen
Curt Tilmes, David Corsar, Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti, Eric Stephan, Helena Deus, James McCusker, James Cheney, Jörn Hees, Luc Moreau, Paolo Missier, Sandro Hawke, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Ted Thibodeau, Timothy Lebo, Vinh Nguyen, Yogesh Simmhan, Yolanda Gil
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Paolo Missier
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. the minutes of Sep 01 telecon link
Topics
14:34:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-irc

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14:34:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:34:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be

14:34:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

14:34:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:34:30 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2011
14:34:35 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:34:36 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 26 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 26 minutes

14:34:49 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08
14:34:57 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:35:02 <Luc> Scribe: Paolo Missier

(Scribe set to Paolo Missier)

14:35:16 <Luc> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:53:51 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

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Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:53:58 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

14:54:05 <paolo> zakim, ??P3 is me

zakim, ??P3 is me

14:54:05 <Zakim> +paolo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +paolo; got it

14:55:55 <Zakim> + +1.443.987.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.987.aaaa

14:56:12 <Curt> zakim, +1.443.987.aaaa is me

Curt Tilmes: zakim, +1.443.987.aaaa is me

14:56:12 <Zakim> +Curt; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Curt; got it

14:56:22 <Zakim> +Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc

14:57:40 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aabb

14:58:01 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540 is me

Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.540 is me

14:58:03 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it

14:58:06 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.789.470.aacc

14:58:07 <Luc> @paolo, everything is set up for you, thanks for scribing

Luc Moreau: @paolo, everything is set up for you, thanks for scribing

14:58:16 <paolo> ok

ok

14:58:18 <stain> Zakim, +44.789.470.aacc is me

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, +44.789.470.aacc is me

14:58:18 <Zakim> +stain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it

14:58:25 <stain> (as I told you last week)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: (as I told you last week)

15:00:11 <Zakim> + +1.315.723.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.315.723.aadd

15:00:31 <Zakim> + +1.937.343.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.343.aaee

15:00:35 <tlebo> zakim, who is on the phone?

Timothy Lebo: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, +1.937.343.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, +1.937.343.aaee

15:00:45 <Vinh> zakim, +1.937.343.aaee is me

Vinh Nguyen: zakim, +1.937.343.aaee is me

15:00:51 <tlebo> zakim, I am aadd

Timothy Lebo: zakim, I am aadd

15:00:54 <Zakim> +Vinh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vinh; got it

15:00:59 <stain> perhaps wait 1 more minute, I was thrown off the conference bridge twice

Stian Soiland-Reyes: perhaps wait 1 more minute, I was thrown off the conference bridge twice

15:01:08 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo; got it

15:01:19 <tlebo> zakim, +1.315.723.aadd is me

Timothy Lebo: zakim, +1.315.723.aadd is me

15:01:25 <stain> Zakim, who is noisy?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, who is noisy?

15:01:46 <Zakim> sorry, tlebo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.315.723.aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tlebo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.315.723.aadd'

15:01:48 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kingsley_Idehen

15:01:56 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software

15:01:58 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

15:02:00 <paolo> Stian, how about sip? works fine for me

Stian, how about sip? works fine for me

15:02:04 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:02:05 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:02:08 <Zakim> stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paolo (34%), Kingsley_Idehen (15%), Luc (43%)

Zakim IRC Bot: stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paolo (34%), Kingsley_Idehen (15%), Luc (43%)

15:02:32 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it

15:02:33 <stain> paolo: I got in the third time nicely. :-) Using Skype. It threw me out after saying hello..

Paolo Missier: I got in the third time nicely. :-) Using Skype. It threw me out after saying hello.. [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:02:37 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- 2011-09-08 telecon agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08 (MacTed)

Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- 2011-09-08 telecon agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08 (MacTed)

15:02:38 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

15:02:56 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

15:03:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:03:09 <Zakim> +??P55

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P55

15:03:23 <Luc>    http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-09-01

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-09-01

15:03:28 <Zakim> +[ISI]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI]

15:03:28 <Luc> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of Sep 01 telecon

Luc Moreau: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of Sep 01 telecon

15:03:34 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:03:42 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:03:43 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

15:03:45 <paolo> +1

+1

15:03:47 <Edoardo> +1

Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: +1

15:03:48 <Lena> +1

Helena Deus: +1

15:03:53 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:03:59 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:04:00 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

15:04:11 <Luc> RESOLVED: the minutes of Sep 01 telecon

RESOLVED: the minutes of Sep 01 telecon

15:04:14 <jcheney> zakim, ??P0 is me

James Cheney: zakim, ??P0 is me

15:04:30 <Luc> TOPIC: Named graphs requirements

2. Named graphs requirements

15:04:40 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceRDFNamedGraph

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceRDFNamedGraph

15:04:48 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

15:04:56 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it

15:04:58 <Zakim> +??P10

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10

15:05:29 <Luc> satya?

Luc Moreau: satya?

15:05:31 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aaff

15:05:38 <stain> Satya joined at 15:41 - but not on phone it seems

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Satya joined at 15:41 - but not on phone it seems

15:05:48 <Zakim> + +1.706.461.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.706.461.aagg

15:05:53 <YolandaGil> q+

Yolanda Gil: q+

15:05:54 <paolo> no comments on requirements

no comments on requirements

15:06:10 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

15:06:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, tlebo, Vinh, MacTed (muted), ??P5, ??P34, ??P55, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, ??P9, ??P10, +1.518.633.aaff, +1.706.461.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, tlebo, Vinh, MacTed (muted), ??P5, ??P34, ??P55, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, ??P9, ??P10, +1.518.633.aaff, +1.706.461.aagg

15:06:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see JimMcCusker, dcorsar, zednik, jcheney, Lena, YolandaGil, Edoardo, smiles, tlebo, Vinh, Yogesh, Curt, paolo, satya, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, trackbot, stain,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JimMcCusker, dcorsar, zednik, jcheney, Lena, YolandaGil, Edoardo, smiles, tlebo, Vinh, Yogesh, Curt, paolo, satya, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, trackbot, stain,

15:06:16 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

15:06:23 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:06:25 <paolo> satya: reqs are completed, wiki page updated as of yesterday

Satya Sahoo: reqs are completed, wiki page updated as of yesterday

15:06:28 <YolandaGil> There are requirements from the XG that were written at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/images/3/3f/RDFNextStep_ProvXG-submitted.pdf

Yolanda Gil: There are requirements from the XG that were written at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/images/3/3f/RDFNextStep_ProvXG-submitted.pdf

15:07:05 <Zakim> +??P50

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P50

15:07:19 <stain> paolo, are you scribing..?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: paolo, are you scribing..?

15:07:38 <paolo> yolanda: mentions reqs from the XG work, and those do not seem to have been included in the current iwki page

Yolanda Gil: mentions reqs from the XG work, and those do not seem to have been included in the current iwki page

15:08:11 <paolo> Luc: Yolanda invited to update the reqs page with content from the XG doc

Luc Moreau: Yolanda invited to update the reqs page with content from the XG doc

15:08:14 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:08:17 <Luc> ack yola

Luc Moreau: ack yola

15:08:25 <Luc> Topic: name for the standard

3. name for the standard

15:08:55 <paolo> Luc: shortlist of 3 identified last week

Luc Moreau: shortlist of 3 identified last week

15:09:09 <paolo> Luc: are there negative blockers amongst those?

Luc Moreau: are there negative blockers amongst those?

15:09:20 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:09:30 <jcheney> +q

James Cheney: +q

15:09:37 <YolandaGil> I know PIF as http://ccs.mit.edu/pif/: The Process Interchange Format

Yolanda Gil: I know PIF as http://ccs.mit.edu/pif/: The Process Interchange Format

15:09:47 <stain> that's a kind of blocker, yes

Stian Soiland-Reyes: that's a kind of blocker, yes

15:10:21 <tlebo> "This page was modified last by Jintae Lee on Nov. 17 '99 "

Timothy Lebo: "This page was modified last by Jintae Lee on Nov. 17 '99 "

15:10:33 <stain> just realised: PAST is difficult to Google

Stian Soiland-Reyes: just realised: PAST is difficult to Google

15:10:35 <sandro> "PLEASE NOTE: The PIF Project has been merged with the PSL (Process Specification Language) Project at NIST."

Sandro Hawke: "PLEASE NOTE: The PIF Project has been merged with the PSL (Process Specification Language) Project at NIST."

15:11:17 <paolo> tlebo: someone (Deb?) proposed avoiding names that are existing words, because it makes it harder to search for them

Timothy Lebo: someone (Deb?) proposed avoiding names that are existing words, because it makes it harder to search for them

15:11:19 <MacTed> PIL sounds like a pill, which often has negative connotation.  has 130MM results on Google.

Ted Thibodeau: PIL sounds like a pill, which often has negative connotation. has 130MM results on Google.

15:11:19 <MacTed> PIF is a scoffing sound in American English, if not elsewhere.  has 18MM results on Google.

Ted Thibodeau: PIF is a scoffing sound in American English, if not elsewhere. has 18MM results on Google.

15:11:19 <MacTed> PAST is a common word, which is itself problematic...

Ted Thibodeau: PAST is a common word, which is itself problematic...

15:11:22 <tlebo> difficulty to search for the standard, e.g. "past" is already a word.

Timothy Lebo: difficulty to search for the standard, e.g. "past" is already a word.

15:11:40 <Zakim> +??P63

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P63

15:11:48 <jorn> zakim, ??p63 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p63 is me

15:11:48 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it

15:11:48 <JimMcCusker> PAS, then?

James McCusker: PAS, then?

15:11:54 <stain> (but PASTm, PASTl etc. would be quite unique)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: (but PASTm, PASTl etc. would be quite unique)

15:12:03 <stain> JimMcCusker: french word

James McCusker: french word [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:12:12 <JimMcCusker> true.

James McCusker: true.

15:12:27 <MacTed> http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIF.html

Ted Thibodeau: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIF.html

15:12:27 <MacTed> http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIL.html

Ted Thibodeau: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIL.html

15:12:27 <MacTed> http://www.acronymfinder.com/PAST.html

Ted Thibodeau: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PAST.html

15:12:39 <stain> yes, w3 has very high google rating

Stian Soiland-Reyes: yes, w3 has very high google rating

15:12:42 <paolo> Tim: Deb concerned that existing words would make google searches less effective

Timothy Lebo: Deb concerned that existing words would make google searches less effective

15:12:47 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:12:50 <Luc> ack jch

Luc Moreau: ack jch

15:13:15 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:13:19 <paolo> satya: neg blocker for PIL: what we have is more than just a language

Satya Sahoo: neg blocker for PIL: what we have is more than just a language

15:13:19 <stain> sandro, agree, and "prov\:" is a good prefix as well

Stian Soiland-Reyes: sandro, agree, and "prov\:" is a good prefix as well

15:13:23 <stain> prov\:Entity for instance

Stian Soiland-Reyes: prov\:Entity for instance

15:13:31 <MacTed> I also prefer PROV overall...

Ted Thibodeau: I also prefer PROV overall...

15:13:35 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:13:35 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted

15:13:37 <JimMcCusker> What does PROV expand to?

James McCusker: What does PROV expand to?

15:13:47 <sandro> "provenance"

Sandro Hawke: "provenance"

15:13:53 <stain> JimMcCusker, that's the problem! But we could say Provenance Standard

Stian Soiland-Reyes: JimMcCusker, that's the problem! But we could say Provenance Standard

15:14:11 <paolo> Ted: all 3 of them have overlaps with existing names/acronyms. large number of results on google for all of them

Ted Thibodeau: all 3 of them have overlaps with existing names/acronyms. large number of results on google for all of them

15:14:16 <zednik> I also like PROV

Stephan Zednik: I also like PROV

15:14:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:14:28 <paolo> Ted: name needs not be an acronym

Ted Thibodeau: name needs not be an acronym

15:14:30 <tlebo> google; Prov (TM) Exam services

Timothy Lebo: google; Prov (TM) Exam services

15:14:30 <zednik> PROVenance standard?

Stephan Zednik: PROVenance standard?

15:14:33 <stain> +1 that name does not need to be an acronym

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 that name does not need to be an acronym

15:14:41 <paolo> +1 for Ted -- no need to agonize over acronyms

+1 for Ted -- no need to agonize over acronyms

15:14:42 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:14:42 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

15:14:43 <JimMcCusker> PROvenance Vocabulary (with apologies to Olaf)

James McCusker: PROvenance Vocabulary (with apologies to Olaf)

15:15:08 <stain> take the red PIL

Stian Soiland-Reyes: take the red PIL

15:15:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:15:16 <MacTed> of course... PROV gets 93MM Google results

Ted Thibodeau: of course... PROV gets 93MM Google results

15:15:17 <paolo> smiles: "L" can stand for smt else than 'language" if we like the acronym

Simon Miles: "L" can stand for smt else than 'language" if we like the acronym

15:15:22 <smiles> ack smiles

Simon Miles: ack smiles

15:15:23 <JimMcCusker> q+

James McCusker: q+

15:15:44 <paolo> +q

+q

15:15:48 <JimMcCusker> q-

James McCusker: q-

15:16:11 <Luc> ack pao

Luc Moreau: ack pao

15:16:21 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:16:45 <stain> perhaps the problem is that we voted for both short and long name at the same time.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: perhaps the problem is that we voted for both short and long name at the same time.

15:17:30 <stain> For instane WSDL is fairly recognizable on the internets - does not mean anything on its own, and pronounciation is something you learn at conferences

Stian Soiland-Reyes: For instane WSDL is fairly recognizable on the internets - does not mean anything on its own, and pronounciation is something you learn at conferences

15:17:59 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:18:16 <Luc> ack san

Luc Moreau: ack san

15:18:35 <tlebo> let's hire some marketers :-)

Timothy Lebo: let's hire some marketers :-)

15:18:37 <paolo> JimMcCusker  would have voted for PROV

JimMcCusker would have voted for PROV

15:19:02 <sandro> sandro: suggests doing +/- on each one.

Sandro Hawke: suggests doing +/- on each one. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:19:20 <MacTed> ProvVoc - 21 results on Google.  not an acronym.

Ted Thibodeau: ProvVoc - 21 results on Google. not an acronym.

15:19:21 <MacTed> :-)

Ted Thibodeau: :-)

15:19:30 <MacTed> pronounced "provoke"

Ted Thibodeau: pronounced "provoke"

15:19:40 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:19:53 <sandro> i'm sure we'll get to the top of google with PIF or PROV, but not PAST, maybe not PIL.

Sandro Hawke: i'm sure we'll get to the top of google with PIF or PROV, but not PAST, maybe not PIL.

15:19:58 <paolo> Luc: how do we vote

Luc Moreau: how do we vote

15:20:11 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:20:17 <paolo> sandro: vote for/against until we get somewhere -- min the negatives

Sandro Hawke: vote for/against until we get somewhere -- min the negatives

15:20:32 <Luc> Votes for PIL

Luc Moreau: Votes for PIL

15:20:36 <sandro> (and PIV has some real strong negatives.)

Sandro Hawke: (and PIV has some real strong negatives.)

15:20:42 <JimMcCusker> -1

James McCusker: -1

15:20:43 <tlebo> -1

Timothy Lebo: -1

15:20:45 <Lena> -1

Helena Deus: -1

15:20:46 <Edoardo> -1

Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: -1

15:20:46 <Curt> -1

Curt Tilmes: -1

15:20:47 <MacTed> -1

Ted Thibodeau: -1

15:20:47 <dcorsar> -1

David Corsar: -1

15:20:48 <Yogesh> -1

Yogesh Simmhan: -1

15:20:48 <stain> 0

Stian Soiland-Reyes: 0

15:20:49 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:20:49 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

15:20:53 <paolo> 0

0

15:20:53 <jorn> 0

Jörn Hees: 0

15:20:56 <zednik> -1

Stephan Zednik: -1

15:21:01 <YolandaGil> 0

Yolanda Gil: 0

15:21:02 <paolo> satya: -1

Satya Sahoo: -1

15:21:15 <Luc> Votes for PAST

Luc Moreau: Votes for PAST

15:21:21 <paolo> +1

+1

15:21:21 <sandro> -1 (google problems)

Sandro Hawke: -1 (google problems)

15:21:22 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:21:22 <YolandaGil> -1

Yolanda Gil: -1

15:21:22 <smiles> 0

Simon Miles: 0

15:21:23 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

15:21:23 <Yogesh> -1

Yogesh Simmhan: -1

15:21:23 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:21:25 <JimMcCusker> 0

James McCusker: 0

15:21:26 <zednik> 0

Stephan Zednik: 0

15:21:27 <Edoardo> 0

Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: 0

15:21:28 <jcheney> -1 (word)

James Cheney: -1 (word)

15:21:28 <Lena> +1

Helena Deus: +1

15:21:30 <dcorsar> 0

David Corsar: 0

15:21:31 <MacTed> -1

Ted Thibodeau: -1

15:21:33 <jorn> -1

Jörn Hees: -1

15:21:48 <Luc> Votes for PIF

Luc Moreau: Votes for PIF

15:21:51 <JimMcCusker> -1

James McCusker: -1

15:21:53 <Yogesh> +1

Yogesh Simmhan: +1

15:21:53 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:21:54 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:21:54 <stain> 0

Stian Soiland-Reyes: 0

15:21:55 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:21:56 <zednik> -1

Stephan Zednik: -1

15:21:58 <dcorsar> +1

David Corsar: +1

15:21:59 <paolo> satya: +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:22:00 <Curt> 0

Curt Tilmes: 0

15:22:01 <Lena> +1

Helena Deus: +1

15:22:01 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

15:22:01 <Edoardo> +1

Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: +1

15:22:02 <jorn> 0

Jörn Hees: 0

15:22:06 <MacTed> 0

Ted Thibodeau: 0

15:22:07 <paolo> 0

0

15:22:09 <jcheney> 0

James Cheney: 0

15:22:22 <Luc> Votes for PROV

Luc Moreau: Votes for PROV

15:22:25 <JimMcCusker> +1

James McCusker: +1

15:22:26 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:22:26 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:22:27 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:22:27 <Vinh> +1

Vinh Nguyen: +1

15:22:27 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:22:27 <Curt> +1

Curt Tilmes: +1

15:22:28 <smiles> -1

Simon Miles: -1

15:22:31 <Lena> +1

Helena Deus: +1

15:22:32 <Yogesh> 0

Yogesh Simmhan: 0

15:22:33 <jcheney> 0

James Cheney: 0

15:22:35 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:22:36 <dcorsar> +1

David Corsar: +1

15:22:36 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aahh

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15:22:36 <YolandaGil> +1

Yolanda Gil: +1

15:22:38 <paolo> +1

+1

15:22:39 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:22:51 <stain> wow

Stian Soiland-Reyes: wow

15:23:11 <paolo> Luc: strong support for PROV

Luc Moreau: strong support for PROV

15:23:15 <Luc> PROVIDENCE

Luc Moreau: PROVIDENCE

15:23:33 <paolo> Luc: concern: mixup with providence...

Luc Moreau: concern: mixup with providence...

15:23:37 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:23:39 <jorn> maybe we should call it PROV IL?

Jörn Hees: maybe we should call it PROV IL?

15:23:50 <stain> I don't get the providence mixup

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I don't get the providence mixup

15:23:51 <YolandaGil> I don't understand what is the problem with providence

Yolanda Gil: I don't understand what is the problem with providence

15:24:03 <stain> would that not be the problem with any of the P* names?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: would that not be the problem with any of the P* names?

15:24:18 <JimMcCusker> Yeah, I use that as a joke when I give provenance talks...

James McCusker: Yeah, I use that as a joke when I give provenance talks...

15:24:29 <YolandaGil> I don't see a problem, Luc!

Yolanda Gil: I don't see a problem, Luc!

15:24:49 <MacTed> jorn - IL stands for?

Ted Thibodeau: jorn - IL stands for?

15:25:03 <jorn> Interchange Language :)

Jörn Hees: Interchange Language :)

15:25:04 <paolo> Luc: vote on PROV alone to see if there any negs

Luc Moreau: vote on PROV alone to see if there any negs

15:25:34 <stain> what kind of trademark does http://www.provexam.com/ have for 'prov' ?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: what kind of trademark does http://www.provexam.com/ have for 'prov' ?

15:25:36 <paolo> Luc: how would this name be used in documents?

Luc Moreau: how would this name be used in documents?

15:25:43 <paolo> +q

+q

15:25:49 <JimMcCusker> foobar a prov\:Entity

James McCusker: foobar a prov\:Entity

15:26:10 <jorn> PROV IDM

Jörn Hees: PROV IDM

15:26:14 <tlebo> Provenance Description and Interchange Framework?

Timothy Lebo: Provenance Description and Interchange Framework?

15:26:20 <stain> +1 paolo

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 paolo

15:26:33 <sandro> "The Prov Data Model"

Sandro Hawke: "The Prov Data Model"

15:26:38 <sandro> "The Prov Data Model for Provenance Interchange"

Sandro Hawke: "The Prov Data Model for Provenance Interchange"

15:26:43 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:26:44 <paolo> q-

q-

15:27:00 <Zakim> -jorn

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15:27:16 <paolo> Luc: Simon still has a formal objection?

Luc Moreau: Simon still has a formal objection?

15:27:18 <Zakim> +??P19

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15:27:43 <jorn> Zakim: ??p19 is me
15:27:48 <stain> "Provenance Rules On VVeb"

Stian Soiland-Reyes: "Provenance Rules On VVeb"

15:27:51 <paolo> smiles: mostly on aesthetic grounds...

Simon Miles: mostly on aesthetic grounds...

15:27:57 <jorn> Zakim, ??p19 is me

Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p19 is me

15:27:57 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

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15:28:06 <paolo> smiles: wouldn't formally object though

Simon Miles: wouldn't formally object though

15:28:29 <jorn> +1

Jörn Hees: +1

15:28:32 <JimMcCusker> +1

James McCusker: +1

15:28:34 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:28:34 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:28:35 <smiles> +1

Simon Miles: +1

15:28:36 <paolo> action to emails the WG announcing that PROV is the proposed name

action to emails the WG announcing that PROV is the proposed name

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15:28:41 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:29:05 <Luc> TOPIC: Primer Document

4. Primer Document

15:29:15 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Sep/0042.html

Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Sep/0042.html

15:29:23 <stain> http://media.zibb.com/trademark/prov/30725511 should not be in conflict - "Education and entertainment"

Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://media.zibb.com/trademark/prov/30725511 should not be in conflict - "Education and entertainment"

15:29:29 <stain> (how exams are entertainment is beyond me)

Stian Soiland-Reyes: (how exams are entertainment is beyond me)

15:29:53 <paolo> smiles: primer should be released alongside the model doc

Simon Miles: primer should be released alongside the model doc

15:30:04 <paolo> smiles: would generate better feedback to us

Simon Miles: would generate better feedback to us

15:30:31 <paolo> smiles: as the model is still evolving, the primer would not be complete at the time of release

Simon Miles: as the model is still evolving, the primer would not be complete at the time of release

15:30:54 <Zakim> +??P13

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15:31:10 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:31:17 <paolo> smiles: would be good to have a "webby" example, doc-based like the jou example, to align well with the W3C setting where the doc belongs

Simon Miles: would be good to have a "webby" example, doc-based like the jou example, to align well with the W3C setting where the doc belongs

15:31:22 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:31:27 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me

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15:32:02 <paolo> ted: a "webby" example is good, but important also to have a completely non-webby example. Science domains, or others

Ted Thibodeau: a "webby" example is good, but important also to have a completely non-webby example. Science domains, or others

15:32:16 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:32:28 <Luc> ack mac

Luc Moreau: ack mac

15:32:33 <stain> smiles' proposal sounds reasonable, agree to not restrict to data journalism example

Stian Soiland-Reyes: smiles' proposal sounds reasonable, agree to not restrict to data journalism example

15:32:39 <paolo> smiles: ok, but the initial release needs to appeal to people who will provide early feedback

Simon Miles: ok, but the initial release needs to appeal to people who will provide early feedback

15:32:39 <zednik> q+

Stephan Zednik: q+

15:33:05 <paolo> ted: agree, but that puts people in the web mindset and that may form a bias

Ted Thibodeau: agree, but that puts people in the web mindset and that may form a bias

15:33:31 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

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15:33:52 <zednik> q-

Stephan Zednik: q-

15:33:53 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:34:04 <paolo> zednik: agree with Ted: danger to be perceived as provenance /of/ the web rather than /on/ the web

Stephan Zednik: agree with Ted: danger to be perceived as provenance /of/ the web rather than /on/ the web

15:34:13 <stain> +1 ted - some simple science (high school chemistry experiment?) example should be good

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ted - some simple science (high school chemistry experiment?) example should be good

15:34:20 <satya> zakim, +1.216.368.aajj is me

Satya Sahoo: zakim, +1.216.368.aajj is me

15:34:20 <Zakim> +satya; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +satya; got it

15:34:52 <zednik> how about a simple scenario of the provenance of a physical object?  example from library community?

Stephan Zednik: how about a simple scenario of the provenance of a physical object? example from library community?

15:34:53 <paolo> Luc: primer not starte yet. too ambitious to release by the end of month? some authors are busy on all other docs at the same time

Luc Moreau: primer not starte yet. too ambitious to release by the end of month? some authors are busy on all other docs at the same time

15:35:40 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:35:40 <paolo> smiles: yes, timing is tight. delayed release is a plausible option

Simon Miles: yes, timing is tight. delayed release is a plausible option

15:35:41 <Zakim> + +1.832.386.aakk

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15:36:04 <paolo> Luc @Sandro: can docs be released without primer?

Luc @Sandro: can docs be released without primer?

15:36:34 <paolo> sandro: early drafts of model docs without primer is fine if for limited time

Sandro Hawke: early drafts of model docs without primer is fine if for limited time

15:36:42 <paolo> q+

q+

15:36:43 <stain> what if we do some third party blog posts or something?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: what if we do some third party blog posts or something?

15:36:50 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:37:01 <Luc> ack sat

Luc Moreau: ack sat

15:37:08 <Zakim> - +1.509.554.aahh

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15:38:19 <stain> paolo: that people who would be writing the primer can instead focus on filling in a complete example and challenge our model

Paolo Missier: that people who would be writing the primer can instead focus on filling in a complete example and challenge our model [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

15:38:33 <paolo> Luc: would be nice to see the ASN in use in the example

Luc Moreau: would be nice to see the ASN in use in the example

15:39:17 <paolo> smiles: primer needs to be understandeable -- ASN may possibly make it harder?

Simon Miles: primer needs to be understandeable -- ASN may possibly make it harder?

15:39:32 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aall

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15:39:58 <paolo> smiles: there prior comments on going bottom up with small examples rather than a large big one example from the start

Simon Miles: there prior comments on going bottom up with small examples rather than a large big one example from the start

15:40:30 <paolo> q+

q+

15:40:41 <Luc> ack pao

Luc Moreau: ack pao

15:41:57 <stain> I like the flow of how instance how http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ starts very simple

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I like the flow of how instance how http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ starts very simple

15:41:59 <Lena> +1

Helena Deus: +1

15:42:01 <YolandaGil> I am interested Luc

Yolanda Gil: I am interested Luc

15:42:05 <stain> I would not mind joining

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I would not mind joining

15:42:09 <satya> after the release of the model document?

Satya Sahoo: after the release of the model document?

15:42:15 <paolo> Luc: who would contribute to the primer?

Luc Moreau: who would contribute to the primer?

15:42:20 <tlebo> +1

Timothy Lebo: +1

15:42:24 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:42:25 <paolo> Paolo after model / ontology doc

Paolo after model / ontology doc

15:42:25 <MacTed> +1 with limited available time

Ted Thibodeau: +1 with limited available time

15:42:25 <zednik> I am willing to contribute (+1)

Stephan Zednik: I am willing to contribute (+1)

15:42:38 <stain> should not have more than say 3 authors

Stian Soiland-Reyes: should not have more than say 3 authors

15:42:44 <ericstephan> +1 after the connection informal report

Eric Stephan: +1 after the connection informal report

15:42:45 <Zakim> -jorn

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15:42:57 <Zakim> +??P19

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15:43:03 <jorn> zakim, ??p19 is me

Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p19 is me

15:43:03 <Zakim> +jorn; got it

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15:43:03 <paolo> @stian: few editors, but no hard limit on authors...?

@stian: few editors, but no hard limit on authors...?

15:43:13 <stain> agree

Stian Soiland-Reyes: agree

15:43:26 <paolo> smiles: will put a structure up on the wiki then contact interested people

Simon Miles: will put a structure up on the wiki then contact interested people

15:43:40 <tlebo> The diagrams at http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ are very nice

Timothy Lebo: The diagrams at http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ are very nice

15:43:52 <Luc> topic: First Public Working Drafts

5. First Public Working Drafts

15:44:23 <paolo> Luc @sandro: formal reqs prior to releasing docs as drafts:?

Luc @sandro: formal reqs prior to releasing docs as drafts:?

15:45:02 <paolo> sandro: there's a page for that, but:  need to get a persistent URL from W3C

Sandro Hawke: there's a page for that, but: need to get a persistent URL from W3C

15:45:04 <satya> @Tim: agree, can we try to use similar diagram format for the formal model draft?

Satya Sahoo: @Tim: agree, can we try to use similar diagram format for the formal model draft?

15:45:38 <paolo> sandro: doc needs to be validated for format / HTML -- respec should make that easy

Sandro Hawke: doc needs to be validated for format / HTML -- respec should make that easy

15:45:44 <paolo> luc: any editorial control?

Luc Moreau: any editorial control?

15:45:45 <stain> I raised the question on namespace as well for the ontology - do we know what would make sense for now?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I raised the question on namespace as well for the ontology - do we know what would make sense for now?

15:46:35 <paolo> sandro: status of specs: a very briefly explanation of what the draft is about

Sandro Hawke: status of specs: a very briefly explanation of what the draft is about

15:46:58 <tlebo> @satya: very much so. I'll use it to base the diagrams I am doing for model documetn

Timothy Lebo: @satya: very much so. I'll use it to base the diagrams I am doing for model documetn

15:47:07 <paolo> Sandro: need a group resolution to publish, and need to point to it when requesting release

Sandro Hawke: need a group resolution to publish, and need to point to it when requesting release

15:48:13 <sandro> Here's the check list for publication: http://www.w3.org/Guide/transitions

Sandro Hawke: Here's the check list for publication: http://www.w3.org/Guide/transitions

15:49:31 <Lena> +q

Helena Deus: +q

15:50:03 <paolo> Paolo: release timetable as agreed: Sept 16th then Sept 29 for approval

Paolo Missier: release timetable as agreed: Sept 16th then Sept 29 for approval

15:50:24 <paolo> satya: requesting sept 19th, then feedback cycle, then Sept 29th for approval

Satya Sahoo: requesting sept 19th, then feedback cycle, then Sept 29th for approval

15:50:35 <paolo> q+

q+

15:50:41 <Luc> ack len

Luc Moreau: ack len

15:51:09 <paolo> Lena: should we include security elements (authz) in the model/ontology?

Helena Deus: should we include security elements (authz) in the model/ontology?

15:51:28 <paolo> Lena: scope of model should be clear, i.e., authz out of scope

Helena Deus: scope of model should be clear, i.e., authz out of scope

15:51:34 <smiles> q+

Simon Miles: q+

15:51:47 <tlebo> lena: conneg and authorization; survey results show people confuse provenance and authorization

Helena Deus: conneg and authorization; survey results show people confuse provenance and authorization [ Scribe Assist by Timothy Lebo ]

15:51:54 <Luc> ack pao

Luc Moreau: ack pao

15:53:40 <Luc> ack sm

Luc Moreau: ack sm

15:54:43 <paolo> smiles @lena: the authz issue is on whether we trust what happened in the past, may not be out of scope after all

smiles @lena: the authz issue is on whether we trust what happened in the past, may not be out of scope after all

15:54:54 <satya> q+

Satya Sahoo: q+

15:55:17 <paolo> luc: first working draft offers a first look at our work, so this can be raised as a missing element that should be added

Luc Moreau: first working draft offers a first look at our work, so this can be raised as a missing element that should be added

15:55:31 <Luc> ack satya

Luc Moreau: ack satya

15:55:36 <paolo> satya: important not to go into the derivation part of provenance in this group

Satya Sahoo: important not to go into the derivation part of provenance in this group

15:55:55 <Luc> Topic: Formal Model document

6. Formal Model document

15:56:49 <paolo> satya: updates will be made this week, only a few people attended previous meeting.

Satya Sahoo: updates will be made this week, only a few people attended previous meeting.

15:56:56 <tlebo> q+

Timothy Lebo: q+

15:57:06 <paolo> satya: entailments and extension mechanisms will be addressed next

Satya Sahoo: entailments and extension mechanisms will be addressed next

15:57:27 <tlebo> (should Stian work from the main branch in mercuruial?)

Timothy Lebo: (should Stian work from the main branch in mercuruial?)

15:57:34 <paolo> satya: soliciting feedback at this stage, as Stian provided.

Satya Sahoo: soliciting feedback at this stage, as Stian provided.

15:57:37 <Luc> ack tl

Luc Moreau: ack tl

15:57:52 <paolo> satya: need to get the RDF encoding for the file crime scenario right as it is normative

Satya Sahoo: need to get the RDF encoding for the file crime scenario right as it is normative

15:58:25 <Zakim> -jorn

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15:58:30 <stain> I just asked was if I should edit directly on the head branch or a sepearate feature branch

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I just asked was if I should edit directly on the head branch or a sepearate feature branch

15:58:31 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology

Satya Sahoo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology

15:59:06 <paolo> q+

q+

15:59:24 <Luc> ack paol

Luc Moreau: ack paol

15:59:38 <satya> Monday US 12pm ET

Satya Sahoo: Monday US 12pm ET

16:00:05 <tlebo> @stain, I think that is a weak "yes", join the head branch.

Timothy Lebo: @stain, I think that is a weak "yes", join the head branch.

16:00:24 <paolo> satya: that was the time for the regular ontology call (skype)

Satya Sahoo: that was the time for the regular ontology call (skype)

16:00:59 <Zakim> +??P45

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16:01:10 <paolo> satya: no complete agreement on how to express entities.

Satya Sahoo: no complete agreement on how to express entities.

16:01:45 <Zakim> -??P10

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16:01:50 <paolo> what is the id criteria to distinguish entities?  (ref to the cars example)

what is the id criteria to distinguish entities? (ref to the cars example)

16:03:17 <paolo> satya: what are the distinguishing attributes for different entities that refer to the same characterized thing

Satya Sahoo: what are the distinguishing attributes for different entities that refer to the same characterized thing

16:03:45 <Zakim> -[ISI]

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16:04:19 <paolo> luc: there may be different perspectives about the "same car". each of them is asserted as an entity

Luc Moreau: there may be different perspectives about the "same car". each of them is asserted as an entity

16:04:38 <MacTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:05:30 <paolo> paolo @satya: long ago the URI used to be called a "surrogate key"...

paolo @satya: long ago the URI used to be called a "surrogate key"...

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16:06:12 <MacTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

16:07:01 <Zakim> -Yogesh

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16:07:10 <JimMcCusker> q+

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16:07:25 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aamm

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16:09:13 <Luc> ack mac

Luc Moreau: ack mac

16:09:23 <Luc> ack jim

Luc Moreau: ack jim

16:09:56 <stain> satya, I'll push my changes to the OWL file if that's OK. I've fixed the verbs and labels.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: satya, I'll push my changes to the OWL file if that's OK. I've fixed the verbs and labels.

16:10:06 <stain> not touched the HTML but can do a search replace

Stian Soiland-Reyes: not touched the HTML but can do a search replace

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16:10:12 <satya> @Stian, thanks!

Satya Sahoo: @Stian, thanks!

16:10:40 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:11:15 <stain> satya: do you agree on making hadParticipant super-property of used and wasControlledBy ?

Satya Sahoo: do you agree on making hadParticipant super-property of used and wasControlledBy ? [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

16:11:32 <paolo> luc @smiles:  would the car example be suitable for the primar?

luc @smiles: would the car example be suitable for the primar?

16:12:02 <paolo> smiles: potentially yes, to explain what we mean by entity etc, identifying attributes, etc.

Simon Miles: potentially yes, to explain what we mean by entity etc, identifying attributes, etc.

16:12:06 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:12:06 <stain> satya: that does not cover the case of compliments - some OWL expert can figure that out

Satya Sahoo: that does not cover the case of compliments - some OWL expert can figure that out [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

16:12:09 <satya> @Stian: I had asserted that earlier, but some members want further discussion about it - so they are not related

Satya Sahoo: @Stian: I had asserted that earlier, but some members want further discussion about it - so they are not related

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16:12:22 <Zakim> -paolo

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16:12:24 <Zakim> -Sandro

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16:12:25 <Zakim> -tlebo

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16:12:30 <Zakim> -Curt

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16:12:32 <Zakim> -Vinh

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16:12:34 <Luc> paolo, i will do the necessary incantation here

Luc Moreau: paolo, i will do the necessary incantation here

16:12:39 <paolo> ok thanks

ok thanks

16:12:41 <stain> @Satya - ok, will leave that out

Stian Soiland-Reyes: @Satya - ok, will leave that out

16:12:41 <Zakim> -Luc

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16:12:42 <stain> bye

Stian Soiland-Reyes: bye

16:12:44 <Luc> thanks for scribing

Luc Moreau: thanks for scribing

16:12:46 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aamm

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.633.aamm

16:12:47 <Zakim> -jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney

16:12:58 <ericstephan> bye

Eric Stephan: bye

16:12:58 <Zakim> -stain

Zakim IRC Bot: -stain

16:13:02 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public

16:13:11 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes

16:13:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html Luc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html Luc

16:13:19 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon

Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon

16:13:19 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

16:13:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been paolo, Curt, Luc, +1.540.449.aabb, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, Vinh, tlebo, MacTed, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, +1.518.633.aaff,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been paolo, Curt, Luc, +1.540.449.aabb, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, Vinh, tlebo, MacTed, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, +1.518.633.aaff,

16:13:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

16:13:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html trackbot

16:13:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

16:13:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items

16:13:22 <Zakim> ... +1.706.461.aagg, jorn, +1.509.554.aahh, +1.915.747.aaii, satya, +1.832.386.aakk, +1.509.554.aall, +1.518.633.aamm

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.706.461.aagg, jorn, +1.509.554.aahh, +1.915.747.aaii, satya, +1.832.386.aakk, +1.509.554.aall, +1.518.633.aamm



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This revision (#1) generated 2011-09-08 16:20:57 UTC by 'unknown', comments: 'edited nicknames'