Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 03 May 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503
Seen
Benedikt Kaempgen, Dave Reynolds, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Ghislain Atemezing, Richard Cyganiak, Ronald Reck, Sandro Hawke
Chair
George Thomas
Scribe
Richard Cyganiak
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions
  1. accept last meetings' minutes link
Topics
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14:01:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:01:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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14:01:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:01:29 <trackbot> Date: 03 May 2012
14:01:30 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

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14:03:00 <Zakim> +gatemezi

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14:03:15 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, +3539149aaaa, Sandro, mhausenblas, gatemezi

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14:03:17 <Zakim> +??P29

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14:03:39 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me

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14:03:39 <Zakim> +cygri; got it

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14:03:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, +35391 is me

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14:03:50 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

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14:04:33 <cygri> scribe: cygri

(Scribe set to Richard Cyganiak)

14:04:54 <gatemezi> +1

Ghislain Atemezing: +1

14:04:56 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

14:04:56 <cygri> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:04:57 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: Government Linked Data (GLD) WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503

14:04:59 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

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14:05:08 <cygri> PROPOSAL: accept last meetings' minutes

PROPOSED: accept last meetings' minutes

14:05:16 <cygri> RESOLUTION: accept last meetings' minutes

RESOLVED: accept last meetings' minutes

14:05:52 <cygri> minutes were here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-26

minutes were here: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-04-26

14:06:04 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me

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14:06:11 <George> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2012Apr/0028.html

George Thomas: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2012Apr/0028.html

14:06:17 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120503
14:06:23 <cygri> chair: George Thomas
14:06:38 <cygri> topic: Main Vocab Agenda: DCAT

2. Main Vocab Agenda: DCAT

14:07:21 <sandro> cygri: What I've been saying about this is "Oh Yeah, We'll be looking intot this...   as part of void or dcat or something."

Richard Cyganiak: What I've been saying about this is "Oh Yeah, We'll be looking intot this... as part of void or dcat or something." [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:07:31 <sandro> ... This needs to be worked out.    Some people have looked at this

Sandro Hawke: ... This needs to be worked out. Some people have looked at this

14:07:50 <sandro> ... semantic CKAN, which unfort. is defunct now.  It was emitting both -- we can look at how they did it.

Sandro Hawke: ... semantic CKAN, which unfort. is defunct now. It was emitting both -- we can look at how they did it.

14:08:08 <sandro> ... I don't have a clear answer on how they can use them together.

Sandro Hawke: ... I don't have a clear answer on how they can use them together.

14:08:19 <sandro> ... that should be published as part of one or the other.

Sandro Hawke: ... that should be published as part of one or the other.

14:08:55 <cygri> George: do we want to do this in GLD? or do we defer to void?

George Thomas: do we want to do this in GLD? or do we defer to void?

14:09:01 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:09:27 <cygri> ack sandro

ack sandro

14:09:31 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen

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14:09:56 <gatemezi> I suggest we have the discussion in GLD..

Ghislain Atemezing: I suggest we have the discussion in GLD..

14:10:12 <cygri> sandro: procedurally, it would fall on void to explain how they work together because void is not on REC track and hence not so stable

Sandro Hawke: procedurally, it would fall on void to explain how they work together because void is not on REC track and hence not so stable

14:10:13 <cygri> q+

q+

14:10:19 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who's here?

14:10:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen

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14:10:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, cygri, gatemezi, Zakim, RRSAgent, fadmaa, MacTed, DaveReynolds, George, danbri_, rreck, trackbot, sandro

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14:10:46 <fadmaa> zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: zakim, mute me

14:10:46 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

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14:12:51 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

14:12:57 <sandro> ack cygri

Sandro Hawke: ack cygri

14:15:53 <cygri> sandro: GLD should probably address it somehow, because people already use void

Sandro Hawke: GLD should probably address it somehow, because people already use void

14:16:04 <George> i'll ping the CKAN list and see when semantic.ckan.net might be back

George Thomas: i'll ping the CKAN list and see when semantic.ckan.net might be back

14:16:35 <George> then we'll use how it emits both DCAT and VOID to seed a GLD wiki page on the topic

George Thomas: then we'll use how it emits both DCAT and VOID to seed a GLD wiki page on the topic

14:17:04 <George> cygri: start with a wiki page and collect the obvious material - dcat example, void example, some options

Richard Cyganiak: start with a wiki page and collect the obvious material - dcat example, void example, some options [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:17:42 <George> sandro: start with ReSpec?

Sandro Hawke: start with ReSpec? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:17:54 <George> cygri: what are the possible/desired outcomes?

Richard Cyganiak: what are the possible/desired outcomes? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:18:55 <George> sandro: could be a working group note instead

Sandro Hawke: could be a working group note instead [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:19:24 <George> cygri: separate doc is overkill - preference is to put this in the void note

Richard Cyganiak: separate doc is overkill - preference is to put this in the void note [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:19:47 <George> ... could setup a void ED soon

George Thomas: ... could setup a void ED soon

14:19:58 <George> ... but start with wiki to iterate a bit

George Thomas: ... but start with wiki to iterate a bit

14:20:29 <gatemezi> +1 to create a wiki page

Ghislain Atemezing: +1 to create a wiki page

14:20:40 <cygri> ACTION: cygri to create wiki page for void-dcat mapping

ACTION: cygri to create wiki page for void-dcat mapping

14:20:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Create wiki page for void-dcat mapping [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-05-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-69 - Create wiki page for void-dcat mapping [on Richard Cyganiak - due 2012-05-10].

14:21:09 <cygri> topic: DCAT Product Tracker http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

3. DCAT Product Tracker http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

14:21:16 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/39

14:21:27 <cygri> topic: DCAT Product Tracker Actions/Issues

4. DCAT Product Tracker Actions/Issues

14:22:25 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/68

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/68

14:22:36 <cygri> cygri: i'll update DERI dcat page to point to the WD

Richard Cyganiak: i'll update DERI dcat page to point to the WD

14:24:15 <cygri> ACTION: sandro to put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace

ACTION: sandro to put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace

14:24:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-05-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-70 - Put in place proper HTML and RDF for the dcat namespace [on Sandro Hawke - due 2012-05-10].

14:24:52 <fadmaa> zakim, unmute me

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14:24:52 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted

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14:24:59 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/2

14:25:51 <sandro> issue-7?

Sandro Hawke: ISSUE-7?

14:25:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-7 -- Drop dcat:accessUrl, use the URI of the dcat:Download resource instead -- raised

14:25:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7

14:25:51 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/7

14:26:41 <cygri> fadmaa: on ISSUE-7, this is an old issue, i think olyerickson tried to follow up with edsu and got no reply

Fadi Maali: on ISSUE-7, this is an old issue, i think olyerickson tried to follow up with edsu and got no reply

14:26:52 <cygri> DaveReynolds: i thought we saw a response from Ed?

Dave Reynolds: i thought we saw a response from Ed?

14:26:54 <cygri> q+

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14:27:17 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0092.html

Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Mar/0092.html

14:27:18 <cygri> george: really?

George Thomas: really?

14:30:03 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri - propose resolutions ahead of time to allow for discussion and preparation

Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri - propose resolutions ahead of time to allow for discussion and preparation

14:31:09 <cygri> cygri: it would be helpful to propose resolutions before via email and have them explicitly on the agenda

Richard Cyganiak: it would be helpful to propose resolutions before via email and have them explicitly on the agenda

14:31:23 <cygri> george: yes, and it would be good if editors are prepared to address issues

George Thomas: yes, and it would be good if editors are prepared to address issues

14:31:48 <cygri> sandro: i think it makes sense to close the loop with ed. tell him to please come back to the WG if you care

Sandro Hawke: i think it makes sense to close the loop with ed. tell him to please come back to the WG if you care

14:32:43 <cygri> DaveReynolds: edsu offered to join a meeting where these issues are discussed. john's reply didn't respond to that

Dave Reynolds: edsu offered to join a meeting where these issues are discussed. john's reply didn't respond to that

14:33:03 <cygri> george: we'll ping him

George Thomas: we'll ping him

14:33:23 <cygri> ACTION: george to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9

ACTION: george to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9

14:33:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 [on George Thomas - due 2012-05-10].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-71 - Ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 [on George Thomas - due 2012-05-10].

14:33:37 <cygri> ACTION-71?

ACTION-71?

14:33:37 <trackbot> ACTION-71 -- George Thomas to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 -- due 2012-05-10 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-71 -- George Thomas to ping Ed Summers regarding DCAT ISSUE-7/8/9 -- due 2012-05-10 -- OPEN

14:33:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/71

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/71

14:34:28 <cygri> sandro: should dcat be on the agenda for every vocabulary call, or every *other* vocab call?

Sandro Hawke: should dcat be on the agenda for every vocabulary call, or every *other* vocab call?

14:34:49 <cygri> ... we'd like him to participate in more than one meeting

... we'd like him to participate in more than one meeting

14:35:29 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

14:35:41 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:35:55 <cygri> ack me

ack me

14:35:55 <fadmaa> q+

Fadi Maali: q+

14:36:19 <gatemezi> @Sandro: you mean having at least one dcat call per month?

Ghislain Atemezing: @Sandro: you mean having at least one dcat call per month?

14:37:02 <George> fadmaa: Rufus from CKAN has some DCAT input

Fadi Maali: Rufus from CKAN has some DCAT input [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:37:11 <cygri> fadmaa: i got some personal feedback from Rufus Pollock

Fadi Maali: i got some personal feedback from Rufus Pollock

14:37:20 <George> sandro: he should send an email to the public GLD WG list with his feedback.

Sandro Hawke: he should send an email to the public GLD WG list with his feedback. [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:37:35 <cygri> sandro: ask him to mail the GLD WG public comments list and the WG will add to the issue tracker system.

Sandro Hawke: ask him to mail the GLD WG public comments list and the WG will add to the issue tracker system.

14:38:04 <cygri> fadmaa: he suggested to distinguish mandatory and optional properties

Fadi Maali: he suggested to distinguish mandatory and optional properties

14:38:19 <cygri> ... so consumers can be sure that some basic properties will be present

... so consumers can be sure that some basic properties will be present

14:38:42 <cygri> ... and he suggested to drop some properties because they are underspecified

... and he suggested to drop some properties because they are underspecified

14:39:14 <cygri> ... things like dataQuality or dataDictionary

... things like dataQuality or dataDictionary

14:39:41 <cygri> ... vague definitions don't help much, and precise definitions might require more work and might be out of scope

... vague definitions don't help much, and precise definitions might require more work and might be out of scope

14:39:50 <cygri> ... i found this reasonable

... i found this reasonable

14:40:00 <cygri> q+

q+

14:40:14 <cygri> george: so should something like dataDictionary be optional, or completely removed?

George Thomas: so should something like dataDictionary be optional, or completely removed?

14:40:24 <cygri> fadmaa: he says completely removed/deprecated

Fadi Maali: he says completely removed/deprecated

14:40:35 <George> ack fadmaa

George Thomas: ack fadmaa

14:42:09 <cygri> ack me

ack me

14:44:45 <cygri> cygri: defining something like "minimally complete record" is probably good

Richard Cyganiak: defining something like "minimally complete record" is probably good

14:45:13 <cygri> george: this might relate to the new Linked Data Protocol work

George Thomas: this might relate to the new Linked Data Protocol work

14:45:44 <cygri> ... you want to say, here are properties that you can expect

... you want to say, here are properties that you can expect

14:46:05 <cygri> ... on dataDictionary, it's possible that the CKAN folks don't find it useful, but we find it useful on data.gov

... on dataDictionary, it's possible that the CKAN folks don't find it useful, but we find it useful on data.gov

14:48:50 <gatemezi> So maybe we can provide in the usage page here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#property--data-dictionary how useful is on data.gov

Ghislain Atemezing: So maybe we can provide in the usage page here http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/#property--data-dictionary how useful is on data.gov

14:51:29 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:52:38 <George> cygri: conversations regarding DCAT as JSON-LD

Richard Cyganiak: conversations regarding DCAT as JSON-LD [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:53:06 <George> ... need to have an answer to 'can you use DCAT with JSON-LD?' kind of thing

George Thomas: ... need to have an answer to 'can you use DCAT with JSON-LD?' kind of thing

14:53:42 <George> DaveReynolds: specific to JSON-LD? what about Talis JSON-RDF?

Dave Reynolds: specific to JSON-LD? what about Talis JSON-RDF? [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

14:56:56 <cygri> (discussion on RDF in JSON)

(discussion on RDF in JSON)

14:58:08 <gatemezi> JSON-LD unofficial Draft here.. http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/

Ghislain Atemezing: JSON-LD unofficial Draft here.. http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld-syntax/

14:58:24 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri, vocabularies should be agnostic to RDF serializations

Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri, vocabularies should be agnostic to RDF serializations

14:59:26 <sandro> note that http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-primer/ has every example in FIVE syntaxes, with toggles.

Sandro Hawke: note that http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-primer/ has every example in FIVE syntaxes, with toggles.

14:59:49 <cygri> sandro: the owl2 primer has all examples in five different syntaxes with a JS picker. we might want to do something like this

Sandro Hawke: the owl2 primer has all examples in five different syntaxes with a JS picker. we might want to do something like this

15:00:10 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

15:00:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see George, fadmaa, Sandro, cygri, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, BenediktKaempgen

15:00:31 <rreck> like i said i couldnt call in

Ronald Reck: like i said i couldnt call in

15:01:56 <sandro> W3C Members, please give feedback on http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter -- AC Members, please vote now.

Sandro Hawke: W3C Members, please give feedback on http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter -- AC Members, please vote now.

15:01:58 <Zakim> -cygri

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15:02:06 <Zakim> -fadmaa

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15:02:13 <cygri> RRSAgent, make minutes public

RRSAgent, make minutes public

15:02:13 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', cygri. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:02:17 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

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15:02:17 <gatemezi> -gatemezin

Ghislain Atemezing: -gatemezin

15:02:18 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

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15:02:20 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:02:24 <gatemezi> -gatemezi

Ghislain Atemezing: -gatemezi

15:02:24 <Zakim> -George

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15:02:25 <cygri> RRSAgent, make logs public

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