HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 06 Oct 2011

<trackbot> Date: 06 October 2011

<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

<janina> Scribe: TBD

<janina> agenda: this

<scribe> scribe: Rich

Canvas

<JF> scribe: JF

follow-up from last week on canvas status

Rich: waiting to hear from Maciej on proposal, has been a long time
... will start implementing things without his response

JB: wondering how long you have been waiting on the response for

Rich: it is approaching 4 weeks

<paulc> What is the link of the message to maciej?

JB: asking paul if Maciej is aware of this

PC: this has not been discussed by the chairs
... looking through emails and see no note of this. is it in archives?

Rich: Is in a11yTF archives

JB: asks Paul to follow up with Maciej

Rich: will forward note to Paul and archive

Paul: will react to this as soon as I get it

JS: part of the urgency is that Moz is anxious to get started on this

review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs

<inserted> scribenick: richardschwerdtfe

<scribe> scribe: Rich

Leonie: we have gone through all the bugs that have come int. We are ensuring that the priorities are appropriate
... we should finish this by next Tuesday
... if there are ways that the bug triage team can help best let me know
... the default on filing is P3. We should raise this to the chairs

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11ytf&bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO

Mike: I thought I change this but someone changed it back
... Let's look back at the ones assigned to Hixie
... We know nothing will happen unless someone posts a response

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13623

bug 13623

Mike: this was filed by Greg Lowney
... Hixie provided a response
... we are waiting on Greg to respond
... the spec. should UI should respond to system settings.
... Hixie asked where does it require this in the spec.
... does someone know Greg and can contact him?

Janina: Put Greg's name on it
... it came from Greg's reading from something so I need to touch base with him

<scribe> ACTION: Janina follow up with Greg Lowney on bug 13623 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - Follow up with Greg Lowney on bug 13623 [on Janina Sajka - due 2011-10-13].

<scribe> chair: MikeSmith

The spec. needs to support drag and drop with something other than the mouse

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13591

Mike: What if the only input device device on the computer is a mouse
... that comment was from Ian

Rich: What if no device came with a screen Ian?

Mike: for these kinds of bugs it would be useful to have in the bug comment the part of the spec. that is problematic

Janina: The action is the same for just that reason
... We need to go back to the matrix to see what part of the read was assigned to Gregg

<scribe> ACTION: Janina get with Gregg Lowney on bug 13591 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Get with Gregg Lowney on bug 13591 [on Janina Sajka - due 2011-10-13].

Input type=Color

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13570

Mike: this was filed by Cynthia
... there was a comment from Tab controling the autocomplete is as difficult as other autocompletes
... if you use the same color picker at that site it may save the information
... on the face it seems to make sense

<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia follow up on bug 13570 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Follow up on bug 13570 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2011-10-13].

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13564

Bug 13564

Mike: anyone can go in and provide descriptions and pointers

Rich: I think Greg is referring to an <embed> or <object> tag

JF: if the embedded object steals a key that the browser uses who wins?

Rich: some browsers are implementing embedded objets as separate processes and the events would not be propagated to the browser but it needs to be stated.

JF: Greg put a lot of work into this
... ACTION: Jaina get with Greg Lowney on bug 13564

<scribe> ACTION: Janina get with Gregory Rosmaita and Greg Lowney on 13564 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Get with Gregory Rosmaita and Greg Lowney on 13564 [on Janina Sajka - due 2011-10-13].

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13550

bug 13550

Mike: The comment was adding the list attribute to the input states that supported changes the control from a text box to a combo box

Ian: wanted to know how a combo box is not a text box

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13437

Bug 13437

Mike: This was filed on behalf of the task force and it was an editorial change
... the content or the video tracks are handled by the page author
... The control of this should not impact the rendering unless control exposed in the UI
... John Foliot please respond to question from Phillip

JF: this was from Geoff reid from NCAM

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13273

Topic 13273

Bug 13273

Mike: this was filed by Shelley Powers
... can I safely leave off the controls attribute ...?
... you leave it on unless you create your own custom controls and then you disable it
... it needs to be there for people that don't have JavaScript turned on

JF: this is potentially an issue
... if you don't declare controls you don't get them

Mike: if the attribute is present or scripting is disabled for the media element ... then even if the controls attribute is not there the browser should render its own controls if script is disabled

Cynthia: can we have controls on by default? that seems the logical solution
... it would be far more elegant to have a no controls attribute

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Rich: over 95% of all web sites have JavaScript. if you disabled it then you would be in trouble. Is this really a problem?

JF: the default would be that controls is false
... Those selector attributes don't have value in HTML 5

<scribe> ACTION: John Foliot revisit controls vs. no controls [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/06-html-a11y-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - Foliot revisit controls vs. no controls [on John Foliot - due 2011-10-13].

Leonie: is there anything the web triage team can start to move through next week to help the task force?

<paulc> Has the email about maciej's review been sent?

<janina> aack r

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<Zakim> LeonieWatson, you wanted to ask whether there is anything bug triage can do to help the TF work through the tagged bugs?

Text Subteam

<Judy> http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-text-minutes.html

Judy: the team met Tuesday
... we welcome feedback despite the time shift to Tuesdays

<JF> http://www.w3.org/wiki/A11yTF/longdescresponse

<Judy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Oct/0029.html

Judy: on longdesc there is a response that John Foliot had posted
... this is a fairly detailed response
... I have a few other things to mention
... need to check with Paul to get some discussion around JF's response to Jonas
... any thoughts about what would be useful about getting s discussion going on this

Paul: I think the latter
... In response to Steve's question about change proposals
... Chairs to review proposals. we have about 10
... when it goes to survey we don't uncover the problems we covered in the last pre-last call effort
... It made our decisions more difficult
... I am not answering your question directly but I am indirectly answering Judy's question

Judy: on meta generator I have something from the text subteam

Paul: Since the chairs are reviewing things. Send us a note to place a change proposal for issue X higher up in the change proposals

JF: a prioritized list

Paul: yes'
... I am trying to deflect the detailed response to your question as I don't know the answer

Judy: put the subteam reports at the top of the agenda
... On Summary Janina and Lynn are providing use cases.
... On alt for images that has had a point per point clear up and that is closed
... meta name generator, that returned to the group for further work.

<Judy> http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-text-minutes.html#item07

Judy: Steve you should look at the feedback on that item. Also, could you hook up with Janina on that

Janina: provide more context

Steve: for the alt image on title what happened with that?

<Judy> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645%3E

Judy: this is one of the things we were doing in our call.
... let me check before our meeting next Tuesday

Steve: I think I updated the change proposal, people seemed happy.

Judy: that is ready for the chairs
... Janina please push this to the top of the list for the chairs

Steve: we have had all this time and no changes have been made wrt. title
... this has been sitting around for years

Judy: the change proposal is ready to go?

Steve: yeah

Janina: Let's do next week

Judy: was there a reversion problem?

Steve: there was a second one I have asked for reversion

Judy: this is significant

<paulc> The Chairs are processing the second revert request via email. I started the Chairs-only thread this morning.

Rich: Ian is opening defects and makeing edits on things that already have been addressed by the chairs

Janina: The first issue has already been reverted

Paul: this is in violation of an existing working group decision
... the chairs are aware of the systematic nature here

<paulc> Going to WG meeting.

Steve: for next month I am being funded 2 days a month to work on the HTML mapping guide

janina: Excellent!!!!!!!!!!

Steve: my buddies at Adobe have agreed to provide funding for this for a year (2 days a month). TPG is also funding so this is 3 days a month

Judy: that is excellent

<scribe> Meeting: HTML 5 Accessibility Task Force

<scribe> chair: Rich

Zakime, bye,

chair next week is Janina!

RRSAgent make minutes

<scribe> chair: MikeSmith

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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

06 Oct 2011

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