WebFonts Working Group Teleconference -- 15 Jun 2011

<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2011

<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL

<jdaggett> hmm, zakim is not happy?

why is zakim not happy?

<jdaggett> not seeing those on the phone...

<Vlad> trackbot, start telcon

<trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 15 June 2011

zakim appears to not recognise anyones phone numbers today

Vlad: lets review the resent edits. also, hear from CSS WG attendees on CSS3 fonts

<jdaggett> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2011Jun/0329.html

jdaggett: here are the minutes. lots of tangential discussion, Bert complained its http-centric and so on
... at least the method of restriction is http-centric. but really that is an issue with ftp etc not with our spec
... all the implementors seem ok with it already
... not clear if SOR at risk is enouh to move forward
... peter Linss suggested it was not CSS WG problem but WebFonts WG problem
... but it elongs where @font-face is defined

Vlad: it started here but was proposed to apply to all font formats
... read the minute sand there was no clear decision

jdaggett: problem was tangential discussions
... Bert did not propose a credible alternative and it did not seem relevant
... implementors agree some form of SOR is a good thing

Vlad: discussed this with him at AC meeting and Bert agreed at the time
... and agreed fonts not reallyy like images, in the minutes

CSS WG report on @font-face

jdaggett: its a big rathole
... Bert always seems to say EOT is better and so on

Vlad: any specific objections?

jdaggett: no, just diffuse discussion. Florian from Opera said current wording was acceptable
... depends if wording is good enough for CR

Vlad: clear its better to SOR based on the font link in @font-face

jdaggett: Peter's point was tha CSS WG should not decide but its part of te @font-face mechanism. He wanted someone else to solve it somewhere
... if that mechansm happens to cover things other than fonts then good but we dont have consensus on that
... any way we can pre-flight the wording?

ChrisL: will ask PLH

Vlad: note the concern that this could delay CSS3 Fonts
... can we facilitate that decision?

ChrisL: we can send a liaison saying we want to depend on that feature

jdaggett: we don't really have any strong objections at this point

Vlad: what is Google's position, do we know?

jdaggett: Tab was involved but not at this meeting. Unclear

Vlad: Tab said it was easy to implement in webkit

jdaggett: needs negotiation between webkit committors

Vlad: Apple objection seems to be resolved

jdaggett: FF and IE implemented as CSS3 Fonts says

<scribe> ACTION: Vlad to send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Send a liaison to CSS saying that we have a consensus that this feature is best in CSS3 Fonts module and want to see t accepted there so we can reference it [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-06-22].

Vlad: consesnus of font vendors and impleentors

jdaggett; sounds reasonable

WOFF edits

jfkthame: set some actions pending

http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/pendingreview

jfkthame: removed summary of conformance requirements and relocated notes as discussed

ChrisL: reminded commmentors this was done

Relocate text describing div and span was done, too

Move BCP47 to normative and change are expected to to SHOULD

jfkthame: became a normative reference and language updated

Add expected children of all metadata elements

jfkthame: had a go at that, not clrear how much detail to go into.

ChrisL: text element is missing the same form of description as the rest

jfkthame: seems easy

action jfkthame to add text element descrition

<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Add text element descrition [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].

ChrisL: we missed impleenting the comment from Eric Muller, to add @url to text inside license

http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-8

Vlad: legl folks font like a license that is different in different languages as the least restrictive one becomes the agreement

ChrisL: ... so we decided not to add the per language links?

Vlad: one link points to a page which can be a landing page with further links to multiple languages. its up to the font vendor to do that

cslye: what Vlad describes is how Adobe would do it too
... so that is fine for me
... would not watnt to limit what other people expect t be there

Vlad: its a license description not a full license. it says how to get it

cslye: ok

ChrisL; ok so the spec is good as it stands ad I will update the DoC

jfkthame: another minor edit was to requie xml to be utf-8 as discssed on the list
... makes life simpler

ChrisL: seemed to be broad agreement on that
... need to mark up the testable assertion and add a test for it

tal: there is an existing test for utf-8 or utf-16 so that is easy to change

<scribe> ACTION: tal to modify the test for xml encoding [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Modify the test for xml encoding [on Tal Leming - due 2011-06-22].

http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-16

jfkthame: yes we alked about that

action jfkthame to add the non-normative wording from richard ishida about droppingOT tables

<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Add the non-normative wording from richard ishida about droppingOT tables [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].

http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html#issue-31

Note:

The id attribute of the uniqueid element, and of several further metadata elements defined below, is not of type ID. Its form is

at the discretion of the font creator or vendor.

<scribe> ACTION: jfkthame: to add the resised wording on @id [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Add the resised wording on @id [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-06-22].

Vlad: so its fixing bgs n how text shows up

jfkthame: same for filenames. there is a limit

ChrisL: (describes 3 options)

jfkthame: there are unicode controls for directionality that could be used if needed

Vlad: fine with the third option

jfkthame: option 2 would be much more complex. just not worth it

<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to propose the third option [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Propose the third option [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-06-22].

ChrisL: aparet from the above the edits are all good

referencing html5

<jdaggett> yup

<jdaggett> ChrisL: we lost you...

<Vlad> Chris, we lost you on the phone

(scribe got disconnected)

<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to respond to Glenn [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/15-webfonts-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Respond to Glenn [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-06-22].

f2f

tal: f2f to discuss test suite?

Vlad: low response to typecon suggstion
... what about atypi in september? or tpac in november

<jdaggett> atypi is in iceland?

cslye: will be at atypi

sergeym: not sure but more likely if we have a f2f

tal: sure

Vlad: will be and definitely if f2f

ChrisL: could be there

jdaggett: regrets during september

14-18 Sept, Rekjavik Iceland

<cslye> http://www.atypi.org/2011-reykjavik

12-12 are tutorials

adjourned

- DRAFT -

WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

15 Jun 2011

Attendees

Contents

CSS WG report on @font-face

WOFF edits

referencing html5

f2f

Summary of Action Items

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